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The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Wow!

It is hard to look at so many comments...

Perhaps, I should start a thread on how people manage their time and channel their energy in commenting. Typing seems too slow and reading takes too long. In this particular case, the comments are as vast and as varied as there are pebbles of sand on the seashore.

I guess everyone has a worldview to present... all viewed from their relative frameworks - Einstein's theory of relativity as it applies to social context. We come from the ends of the world, and from blocks apart, maybe even the same family, yet see how far apart we stand in our views on the world! (shudder)

If the world should fall apart (this is a conspiracy site), man: is this going to be fun trying to glue pieces together again?!

I am reminded of the peanut gallery at the Muppet show... the judges kept coming, though they couldn't figure out why.




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
So where is your evidence the Bible is gods word? I found it hilarious that you came on here claiming to embrace "deny ignorance" and then spout a bunch of totally unprovable emotional believes about mythical beings...


Where is your evidence that it isn't?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Pumper
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
 


Yeah. Or because "fools" read the parts where god tells his followers to kill non-believers or people of other faiths.


Nowhere will you see in the new testament where that is said. God desires mercy, not sacrifice. Forgive and you shall be forgiven, it is that simple.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Right?? Would not all those evil people be the examples of the wolves in sheep's clothing who would infest His church and lead His sheep astray? Christ warned they were coming.


This is exactly what they are. Unfortunately nonbelievers cannot tell the difference between an antichristian and a christian.

Wolves in sheeps clothing have been around since Christ's ministry, the biggest example of them is sitting in the Vatican on his throne crocodile grinning at the catholic congregation who can't see what he is..



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by hawkiye
So where is your evidence the Bible is gods word? I found it hilarious that you came on here claiming to embrace "deny ignorance" and then spout a bunch of totally unprovable emotional believes about mythical beings...


Where is your evidence that it isn't?


I believe the mistakes, contradictions... as we as the logical, factual, geological errors within the book would point to the bible being "Not Gods Word"

Though IT can be found within the bible pages....




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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This is a good place to express some thoughts about how I believe we are in the throes of battle with Satan.

All you have to do is look at the televisions shows that are laid out before us. Hollywood is Satan's front office as far as I am concerned - filled with atheists, gays, other sexual deviants, drug addicts, vanity addicts, generally people whose moral compass is sitting in the sludge of a sewer somewhere.

Let's look at the TV shows that I enjoyed growing up:

Little House on the Prairie
Andy Griffith Show
Batman (Adam West)
Wonderful World of Disney on Sunday nights All those Kurt Russell films, Herbie, etc.
Rockford Files (never any blood or gore)
Happy Days
All in the Family

Never was there any explicit violence, sex or deviant behavior shown on these programs. Not even the ones considered to be 'brain rot' at the time.

Now let's look at TV shows now:

Three and a Half Men - Basically a tasteless, unfunny half-hour dick joke, with at least one reference to masturbation per episode
Modern Family - Really? I don't know ANY families like this.
GCB - Seriously? Don't even mask your disdain for religion, hollywood.
Happily Divorced - Saw a banner ad for this show on ATS yesterday. Yeah, let's glamorize divorce and teach people that it's acceptable, if not preferable.
Every cop show/CSI show - Opening scene always contains EXPLICIT gore, typically a murder of some kind.

Nudity, cursing form little kids, objectification of women.. it has all gone way too far.

I could go on but you get my point. The standards for good taste no longer exist. Used to be there'd be one show on occasion that raised the public's hackles, and those shows were the foot in the door for the disgusting slimebags of hollywood to start peddling their filth to the rest of us. Rather than raise themselves to the standards of the upstanding, moral citizens of this country, they'd rather bring everyone else down to their level. Why? Because they control the media and they CAN.

Looks like evil is winning, too. Fight it like I do - I haven't had cable for almost a decade. It's a waste of money and bad for your soul.


By the way, I watched Dolphin Tale last night. Good (true) story, uplifting and gives you a good feeling about humanity. I highly recommend it. We need to see more movies like this.


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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by hawkiye
So where is your evidence the Bible is gods word? I found it hilarious that you came on here claiming to embrace "deny ignorance" and then spout a bunch of totally unprovable emotional believes about mythical beings...


Where is your evidence that it isn't?


I believe the mistakes, contradictions... as we as the logical, factual, geological errors within the book would point to the bible being "Not Gods Word"

Though IT can be found within the bible pages....



I can tell you that there are a lot more geological accuracies in there than your alleged "errors". The places in the Bible exist - it is an account of events that occurred on THIS planet. You want to dispute that, too?

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue.


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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by hawkiye
So where is your evidence the Bible is gods word? I found it hilarious that you came on here claiming to embrace "deny ignorance" and then spout a bunch of totally unprovable emotional believes about mythical beings...


Where is your evidence that it isn't?


I believe the mistakes, contradictions... as we as the logical, factual, geological errors within the book would point to the bible being "Not Gods Word"

Though IT can be found within the bible pages....



I can tell you that there are a lot more geological accuracies in there than your alleged "errors". The places in the Bible exist - it is an account of events that occurred on THIS planet. You want to dispute that, too?


I might point out that i DID NOT say it was completely wrong... i said there were errors...

IF it was "entirely Gods word"... there would be NO errors...

Jesus' lessons have NO errors.... that is what im talking about.

The bible was written by man, not inspired by God... That is a myth started by the church.... and its wrong

I also didn't say it was "untrue".... i said its not Gods inspired word


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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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And with that, I'll be taking my leave. I'm reminded why I stopped checking out ATS a long time ago. This site doesn't deny ignorance, it promotes confusion and anarchy. When anyone's opinion is considered to be as factual as every other one, even when they are contradicting, you know that absolute truth, knowledge, and objectivity have been thrown out the window. What one calls information is a lie to somebody else, and somebody's misinformation is deemed the eternal and unalterable truth by another. Nobody ever wins the debate, and nobody gains anything from it.

In the end, not much good comes out of this website. It's a place for people to vent and yell at each other over religion and politics. The occasional conspiracy is sometimes proved and revealed, but as a whole this forum is just a bunch of ranting and raving by a bunch of people who typically don't know any more about what they are talking about than what they heard via National Geographic, the news, or their high school teachers. Occasionally somebody knows enough to parrot what they heard from some cocky know-it-all professor from some liberal-arts university that reeks of misinformation.

My advice: Go read a book. Then go read another book with the opposite opinion/view. Then read a few more books to make sure the others were reporting facts and not just opinions, random statistics, or inaccurate historical data. After all that, form an opinion and stick with it until something proves you wrong.

I may stick around on the forums, though it wont be here. Later.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs


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Use all the words needed to relay the original message of Gods word. No translation is word for word come on.


I believe you have taken my post out of context. And I agree with you.Basically all translations have the same underlying message it does not deviate from the original message of God.

I was merely commenting to the post concerning Rev 20:18-19 "adding" or "taking away" words to this book and the post stating the KJV was the only true version. Yet at the same time the KJV translators "added" words to help the sentence structure flow for the reader thus breaking Rev 20 warnings. Meaning if Rev was really intended to be what this poster stated then the KJV translators are in error and under the punishments listed in Rev 20.

Bottom line if one is to take Rev literally then that means the KJV is in error as well for adding words even if for sentence structure just like the other translations for adding and changing words. Thus making the argument that KJV the only true version incorrect when placing it against what Rev 20 said.

Again I see nothing wrong with using multiple version of the Bible I enjoy reading parallel bibles seeing the differences in each but the message is the same as I have already stated. If still in question use Strongs or even better the blueletterbible.org site. Highly recommended..



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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This Tread certainly proves that a subject is interesting to the extent that it is controversial.

Originally posted by Vsc1981
“But i am saying people are blind to the truth. Thats not being rude nor mean. Its fact! A”

****Yes, indeed it is true. You are one of them who cannot see the truth.

Vsc, was there ever a time when you did Not believe the bible was written by god?
Was there ever a time when you did Not believe what is written therein?

Do you believe that Kings have a god-given right to rule over us?
Do any of you Believers here believe that Kings have a go-given right to rule Over us?
I'd really like to know, as it seems that Societies have been rejecting Royalty for a long time.

Tell me this: If god wrote the bible, why did he refer to himself in the third person?
Why didn’t he consistently say such as: “I created the Earth etc.

Tell me also: How do you know who god is referring to when he says , “Let US go down….” etc.
You made a statement earlier as to who these others were. How Exactly do you know this?

And the god that created everything on Earth saw the it was Good.
Do you believe that everything god created was Good?

He must then also have created all the poisonous insects that can kill humans.
He must then also have created all the infectious bacteria and the viruses that kill humans.
Do you still believe that everything god created is Good?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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So god wrote the bible, as far as fiction goes its not even that good.... Next



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by Mykahel
And with that, I'll be taking my leave. I'm reminded why I stopped checking out ATS a long time ago. This site doesn't deny ignorance, it promotes confusion and anarchy. When anyone's opinion is considered to be as factual as every other one, even when they are contradicting, you know that absolute truth, knowledge, and objectivity have been thrown out the window. What one calls information is a lie to somebody else, and somebody's misinformation is deemed the eternal and unalterable truth by another. Nobody ever wins the debate, and nobody gains anything from it.

In the end, not much good comes out of this website. It's a place for people to vent and yell at each other over religion and politics. The occasional conspiracy is sometimes proved and revealed, but as a whole this forum is just a bunch of ranting and raving by a bunch of people who typically don't know any more about what they are talking about than what they heard via National Geographic, the news, or their high school teachers. Occasionally somebody knows enough to parrot what they heard from some cocky know-it-all professor from some liberal-arts university that reeks of misinformation.

My advice: Go read a book. Then go read another book with the opposite opinion/view. Then read a few more books to make sure the others were reporting facts and not just opinions, random statistics, or inaccurate historical data. After all that, form an opinion and stick with it until something proves you wrong.

I may stick around on the forums, though it wont be here. Later.


According to the timestamp, you stopped checking ATS at 1:47 pm MST. Unless you're still checking now...



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Now we get a good look at why the Russians Banned Religion for a long time, just due to the use of religion to take over and dominate the government. Religions become a threat to even US National Security, as the wealth building becomes extreme and more powerful than the Government.

We see some resisted these religion problems like Jesus, who spoke of being a good servant to others.

We see JFK resist and refer to the "Rising tide lifts all boats".

But, what it all means is that the Pope's Christianity is about building Empire and using Usury for wealth and control, and expansion across the planet. The two richest entities in the world are the Vatican and the British Royals and they are highly invested in war machinery. Its the NWO game, using the Church to promote it, corporations as tax free holding companies for the bankers, and the Oligarchic rich few determine who gets elected. We the People Don't have Freedom in this process, and get many unjust wars. And we saw in the Vietnam War that the Budhist Monks were so opposed to this corrupt system they set themselves on fire rather than submit to the evils.


The Empire Builders literally hate the issues of Jesus being a servant toward others, not laying up individal treasures, and the principles of socialistic holdings of wealth and the saying that we all live in each other's care. Islam countries have certain protections against run away ownership of wealth and insist upon partnerships in all businesses. Communism did not allow the ownership of anything and everything belonged to the state to stop the greed for wealth and power that always came to run over the Socially Democratic Government. Empires used religion to promote Empire and that worked good for only the rich. Thus, Socialism was born to level out the wealth holdings and give everyone a good slice of the wealth.

Then we have those so unschooled so as not to see how religions are used to take slowly the eventual control over the masses and put them into economic slavery and servitude to the few oligarchs. We see these Billion Dollar profits of the big banker executives and that is only a small percentage for the whole. All that system takes away from the masses and makes slaves and masters due to the huge division of money.


What the Constitution required was the method of the Essene and Jesus, where the money goes to the Benefit of We The People and not the private wealth builders of Empires. As the Soviets predicted the US has fallen from within due to this age old method of tyranny over others.


Waving around this little Bible book without the knowledge to know the correct ways to use it is a US National Security risk that is driving the US into non-existance. This is exceptionally true for the corruptions of religion in Zionism also.


As We the People Wake up to these serious problems we are fully into what most would call the End-Times, the Tribulations are well in effect, and WWIII could flare up any day to to the Syrian and Iran resistance against this Beast of Religion Empire seeking. The Koran also bans usury and call the same things as Satan as the Essene identified in Jesus time. The Koran leader was a Great Prophet and Islam sees Jesus in the same light, and never as God. False concepts of religion cause division and the division in making Jesus out as God was deliberate and intentional for the concept of promoting Empire under Constantine and the Popes that backed Empire Building and their own enrichment.

Serious stipidity surrounds those that wave around this book without knowledge of the full extent of the tricks instilled in religion and how to accentuate the good and do away with the bad.

Vapid followers of religions become the worst of the worst when it comes to preservation of freedom and good stewardship for all men. US religion is dominated by Elmer Gantry type con artists, and few of them serve the concepts of Jesus values. Religion is a candy man, a drug for the masses, that proffers a lot of feel good false promisses as it takes them ever lower into submission toward exploitation.


In the Bible the only example of a socially democratic society were the Essenes and that message is erased from the Bible records. The next big effort to make the social democratic society was the US Constitution in the USA, and now that is faltering as stupid people read a single book that omits things like Jesus and the Essene society. What we have in the US today are followers of Satan ways, not Jesus'.


So, almost no one these days respect the shallow minded that don't find the parallels of the Essene with a Social Democratic Society and how the US was patterned after this same system to overcome Empire and Oligarhs controlling all via the Evil of Money and extreme wealth that buys the Govt., elects the face men for the Empire, and treats the Citizens like so many cattle to herd and often manage by fear.

There are no more Thomas Jeffersons that put more intelligence in the White House and the US Government than at any time in the US History. Jefferson was brilliant and he understood all the factors for evil and how other Govts failed and he did his level best to secure these features in the US Constitution, but the vapid mindless followers of religion these days allow the erosions of those values and can't even secure the real message of Christ and apply it to American's Freedoms and Economic Prosperity.








edit on 14-3-2012 by MagnumOpus because: A sickness has come upon the planet due to illiteracy of religion teachers and followers



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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I believe in God the Father,his only begotten son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I believe the Bible is the word of God, memorized by Moses and passed down verbably until someone wrote it down. They used to memorize their history and such until they wrote it down. God used to speak to people back then, when some men could walk with God. When men listened.

God wanted blood sacrifices back then. The world was bad back then , maybe like today. Since God promised not to destroy the world by water again, He send his son down to teach and do miracles. TO get the people to change their ways. Jesus was here only for the Jews. Paul for gentiles. Jesus was the Lamb for the blood sacrifice. He shed his blood before the cross, he was not recognizable after he was beaten,and on the cross..........the blood shed for the redemption of all the world's sins: before, the present and after he died. To be forgiven all we need to do is believe in Him...in his name and the sacrifice He made, that he conqured death by His resurection...for sin =death.That's why God said we'd die as there was no death till sin arrived. Christ showed us that there is life after death. FOr those that believe: Heaven. For those that do not:HELL. A good person will not go to heaven unless they BELIEVE. ANd God helps with so much.ie anger, depression. I've tried to kill myself about 4-5 times. I've given up as God didn't want me to go to hell, and He's not ready for me yet. SO I'm waiting trying to figure out what I still need to do for HIM before He's ready for me. I KNOW I"LL BE THERE...SOMETIMES BY THE SKIN OF MY TEETH...BUT THERE. hOPE THIS MIGHT HELP SOME OF YOU. Better to believe then not.

And about the Bible, I think the most important parts of the old Testament are the prophecies fortelling the coming of the Messiah and the new testament are Christ fulfilling those prophecies one by one. Maybe if more Jews read the Bible there would be more Messianic Jews. Boy would that make God happy!



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Hate to tell you, but it is only the memory of Jesus that lives and is being resurrected. Even if Jesus survived the Crucifiction, he was only a devinely inspired Essene Priest and at this point he is long passed. Jesus lives on only in the minds and manners of his true followers.

The Christians are a miniority on religion and even the Islamics only see Jesus as a Great Prophet and never God. Jewish is the same rule, men cannot become God, and Jesus was just an inspired man. The Talmud literally hates the Jesus and his theme. So, in the world this attempt to call Jesus as God is not received well and causes great religious unrest to the point of Islam calling this perversion of religion as Infidels.

In the US Jesus has very few "true" followers due to the immense corruption in the churches. The US only has a bunch of Elmer Gantry preaching and evagelism sensationalism to get money tossed in a plate due to the entertainment factor and hell fire and damnation preaching also. Churches in the US are Nimrod and Tammuz followers and endorse the Synagogue of Satan.

Jesus told ya so on the great evil taking over his church and his name and now the US has arrived in a literal hell where all around them is a lie.

The Rich folks have known it seen it coming for a long long time:

"Nick Rockefeller bragged to Aaron Russo that one day the world would wake up and find out that they were lied to about EVERYTHING"


edit on 14-3-2012 by MagnumOpus because: The Followers of Satan is their real names.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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This is a real church, in case youve never seen one...




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Do you say "Amen"? At the end of your prayers? If so, congratulations on ending prayers with a "pagan" tradition - the way that Egyptians ended prayers with the name of their God - Amen - meaning "powerful one".

The word, I believe, originally came from Amun Re, the Egyptian (ET) God. This came to me from my Grandmother, and was taught to her by her Mother, a Gypsy woman who escaped Hitler's Storm Troopers and settled in America. Grandma used to always chastise my Mom for saying amen at the end of every prayer. Funny how we unconsciously cling to the old ways, isn't it?
So, when one says the word, they give their devotion for Re.
Amun, all.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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I'm sorry to burst any Christians' bubbles....but Jesus never existed at all. If he did can someone explain why the story of jesus christ is a DIRECT RIP OFF of the Ancient egyptian legend of Horus?

Horus was born to a virgin...baptised in a river by anup the baptiser...healed the sick, the blind, the crippled...known as the saviour of humanity, AND ressurected a man whose name in hebrew translated as LAZARUS!

I'm waiting...
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Onto the next topic that you seem to think you beat me on, the original sin as a term may have come from the guy I'll give you that. However the effects are biblical, it ruined the Earth and brought sin into the world. Sin was brought into this world through Adam and Eve in their defiance, which broke our relationship with God. Hence the reason for Jesus Christ to come and save us with his sacrifice.

That is not the orgin of the word "Sin," no way, no how. Sin was a Sumerian God of the Moon, also known as Nanna.
Sin
Sin Mythology - From Wikipedia

Sumerian Gods
You have to look at word origins. Sin is not a verb, not something you can do, it is a proper noun, a name, the name of a God of the Moon to the First High Civilization in recorded history. If you open the link to the Sumerian Gods, you may think, when seeing the likeness, "Alien!" And you will be right.



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