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The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
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it's who I am... what are you going to do about it?


Not sure if I said something overly critical. Sorry if it offended. Trying to clarify a transition form hope into faith. You sound hopeful, possibly faithful but I don't know you enough to judge.




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by MarlboroRedCowgirlWow you think I am naive? I speak of spiritual truths, you speak of worldly truths.


Calm down my brainwashed misled child. Whatever you're babbling about in regards to "spiritual" or "Worldly" truths is nothing more than you attempting to pull a rabbit out of a hat, or maybe it's rabbit hole.



And I guess Antisemitism is just fine then, if your logic follows through. Goes to show about where you are in your walk. Jesus Christ wasn't crucified by any sect or group, he was crucified for a reason and was "born to die."


Funny how your only weak minded arguement brings up the typical overplayed "anti-semitism" card. LMAO!!! That's actually a new one for me. So not being a Christian is now "Anti-semetic"? Wow! You liars are gonna run out of paper very soon. You might want to notify all the Muslims, Buddists, Hindus, Agnostics, Atheists, Scientologists, Pagans ect that they are now all Anti-Semites.

You foolish mortal you! Why do you continue to fact dodge the fact that the fairy tale religion that you bow down to does more to condem the Jews than anything I have said here? You retreat behind nothing more than the typical last resort that misled, confused androids like yourself frequently do when you are presented with the evidence that your beliefs are based on nothing more than fraud and hypocrisy at it's finest.


If you were so informed on Biblical truth you'd know these things.


Oh please won't you educate us all just a bit more sister?


And if you arn't informed, maybe your posting in the wrong thread.


LMAO! Oh, because you said so, I think that I will. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your foundation is built on a lie, and how you turn your head away from crystal clear hypocritical beliefs. Like I made clear before, I meant no disrespect to you personally about your religion Cowgirl. However, You have proven that if someone doesn't see it your way, then you will label them as you see fit. That my friend, is pretty pathetic. ~SheopleNation



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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while the bible may be true and im not here to argue that, but the proof is in the pudding, and you have no pudding, so until you do i shall continue to be agnostic and live in "sin"



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by reitze

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
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it's who I am... what are you going to do about it?


Not sure if I said something overly critical. Sorry if it offended. Trying to clarify a transition form hope into faith. You sound hopeful, possibly faithful but I don't know you enough to judge.


trying to take away peoples hope! whatta meanie...




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide

Originally posted by reitze

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
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it's who I am... what are you going to do about it?


Not sure if I said something overly critical. Sorry if it offended. Trying to clarify a transition form hope into faith. You sound hopeful, possibly faithful but I don't know you enough to judge.


trying to take away peoples hope! whatta meanie...



Sorry if I cum off that way. I'd hope to encourage... to read the whole book AND read other books, let it sink in and see if Jesus becomes a hero in your heat like the best-ever fiction character, someone to emulate... like Johnathan E, Howard Roar, Superman, Spider Man, Wonder Woman, etc. At a certain point a hope can become more than that. Especially with a super-hero like Jesus with so much cultural relevance. I hope that helps!



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by MarlboroRedCowgirl
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I like you. Keep that spirit going, question everything. You seem informed, I like that. It doesn't really matter to me what day Christ's birth fell on. We know it could not be December 25th. All that matters is that He was born.

Another Religious Lie...and the Churches of various Christian sects as well as the Vatican KNOW is a Story created by a Mistranslation of the Bible...is that MOSES DI NOT PART THE RED SEA....Moses crossed the REED SEA...a Grassy Tidal region near the Med.

As this area...the Reed Sea has a tide so great that once the tide is out...Moses and his people were able to quickly cross this Grassy, Marshy area...ie...lots of REEDS...and get to the other side with the Egyptian Army and their Chariots in Hot Pursuit. As the Egyptians were crossing...the Reed Seas tide came back in quickly...swamping both Men and Chariots....unlike the Bibles story...the entirety almost of Egyptian Forces were Killed but mostly stuck in the rising water and many swam back to shore and those who could not swim drowned.

This is a FACT and the Vtican even acknowledges it is a fact. They have not attempted to change the story s so many years have gone by that they feel changing this well known story now would do harm to the faithfuls ablity to believe. You can google this also...there are MANY more mistranslations like this that led to untruthful stories. Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by anomoly
while the bible may be true and im not here to argue that, but the proof is in the pudding, and you have no pudding, so until you do i shall continue to be agnostic and live in "sin"


The pudding is if the character can transform the story into your hart as your number 1 hero to emulate with your whole life.

I was agnostic till age 31, 1994. I posted on another thread how a huge-dream and seveal paranormal events crushed my athiestic world-view. That's when I started reading and I actually read over 500 books before giving the bible a chance. And at that point I only read it so I could out-talk the Johova Witnesses who were clearly talking in binary bull#.

In kindegarten, a lutheran nun sunday school teacher said "those who don't know will be taught". I've never found where she got that quote from but after that I had no direct church time till I was in my later 30s.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
that's right in there with the child molesters and serial killers I guess...

though he will forgive you still

Oh wow I completely forgot about those hypocritical religious ones. But then... I have no idea what guides their beliefs and moral values. A troubled childhood and overly condescending religious molesting fathers perhaps? Telling them they are a fag long enough that they begin to believe it, but they supress those feelings towards men and convince themselves that its okay to touch pure children instead? Something along those lines... But anyway lets not get too caught up talking about paedophile priests and christian serial killers. They are a different breed altogether. It'll sure be fun in heaven with them running amok!



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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You mean no disrespect?

Originally posted by SheopleNation

brainwashed misled child. Whatever you're babbling about in regards to "spiritual" or "Worldly" truths is nothing more than you attempting to pull a rabbit out of a hat, or maybe it's rabbit hole.

Your foundation is built on a lie, and how you turn your head away from crystal clear hypocritical beliefs. That my friend, is pretty pathetic.


Alright, first of all, you know nothing about me. I am neither a child, or mislead, or brainwashed. I had a 21 year run as an atheist, actually a rather devout atheist. I thought Christians were crazy, ignorant, Jesus freaks who only wanted to see gay marriage stay illegal and make abortion illegal. I thought the whole premise of their faith was absolutely ludacris. I thought they were nothing more than people who didn't have substance and needed something to hold on to.
It takes humility to admit your wrong. And I was wrong.
You see, I had been lied to for a long time. I was made to believe that all people are inherently good, and all you had to do was live a good life. That was the foundation that was a lie. And I got nothing out of it.
I consider it sad, and really rather pitiful, that some live life with no hope. No chance to receive real forgiveness for the unnameable evil one has committed. I'm so glad I don't live that life anymore.

Android? really? So far from it. I'm as human as they get. I'm not a sunday school teacher, I wasn't in youth groups, I hated church. If you thought I was that type, you pinned me wrong. I'm not trying to convert you or change your beliefs, cause I've been on the other side. I've posted in threads just like this from your perspective. You probably haven't from mine. That's ok. I'm just glad I don't need to resort to name-calling or petty stuff like that anymore to get my point across. But it's all good, we certainly all have our ways.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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I really don't have many pet pieves but bible pushers are one of them. no wait.. closed minded bible pushers. Not saying you are one but you could come off as one to me.

Let me give you a friendly reality check.

The bible. The Qu'Ran. Or any religious text speak of ONE diety. One for you to worship. And also to disregard the other book. Its a battle. And here's the reality check - you lose the game if you pick a side.

Who's to say what you feel is right? We live in a world where we are not perfect creatures. We can belief falsehood. Very easily, especially if the lie makes you feel good. It's our defense mechanism we all have. We need to cling to something to feel alright. But you cant do that because then that leaves you with a BIASED opinion.

Now, back to this reality check. The bible says its the true one. The others do as well. Why are they wrong and the bible being right? Why cant anybody see the obvious fact that they are all a piece to the puzzle. Not one of them is right. But not one of any of them are wrong.

Open up the mind. Stop picking sides. Religion is all a side factor. You're either with this particular one or you're not. And once you chose a side, in my humble opinion, you lose at the game.

Peace


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EDIT: Because I feel like saying this, all the bible is is how to be a good person. "to follow 'gods' footsteps." Revelations was written long after the bible. So don't bunch that in there even though the church did.
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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Does that really matter? In the scheme of things, I really don't see the significance in one letter. The Bible is as it was meant to be.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by MarlboroRedCowgirl
reply to post by SplitInfinity
 


I like you. Keep that spirit going, question everything. You seem informed, I like that. It doesn't really matter to me what day Christ's birth fell on. We know it could not be December 25th. All that matters is that He was born.
...
Another Religious Lie...and the Churches of various Christian sects as well as the Vatican KNOW is a Story created by a Mistranslation of the Bible...is that MOSES DI NOT PART THE RED SEA....Moses crossed the REED SEA...a Grassy Tidal region near the Med.



Evey Hammond (in V for vandetta):
My father was a writer. You would've liked him. He used to say that artists use lies to tell the truth, while politicians use them to cover the truth up.

Me:
Even if the whole bible is fiction or the whole divinche code thing gets proven, the character in the bible is still my hero, better than Hoard Roark and Johnathan E. And BTW, Howard is still quite relevant.
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. Changed by man or not, it is still His Word. We have to have faith in Him and His Word and with that comes the chance that those who don't believe the same way will ridicule us or flat out deny any truth in our beliefs...but that makes them none-the-less true.
It is not ours to have the burden of proof. To those of us who believe, we have our proof...the Bible. The burden of proof belongs to the non-believers and as much as I would hope for all to see a loving God as I do, I know that isn't realistic, so all I can do is state my beliefs, pray for those who believe differently, and try to SHOW the love of God as He will give me the chance to do so. That means not ridiculing back, being defensive, or trying to prove my superiority in any way. I have to hope that God will use something I say or do to plant the seed of faith that others will WANT to believe what His Word says, not what I think others should believe.
Thank you for putting this out there for discussion. There are some interesting posts here and I don't have to agree with any of them, nor have anyone agree with me.
The question isn't whether or not I believe in the Bible or in God, Himself...the quesiton is "Does He believe in me?". I pray He does!



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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One last question...can you ride a horse? I have had to ride hourses in the last few "JOBS" that I get sucked into doing. I much rather be dropped in by chopper and Huff it the rest of the way...but in my opinion...MEN were not ment for riding a Horse.

Even though I know a bit about horses as I grew up near some farm land near a very large SAC base....I would run by some large Morgan Horses every day I took that route. They would see me coming and on my way back...I would stop at an apple tree that was growing on my neighbors considerable acreage of land and pocket as many as I could in my running shorts and carry as many as I could in my hands or shirt or hoodie if it was chilly. Then I would stop to see them and give them some apples...they LOVED APPLES...andit got to be a habit.

They had a sense of humor...if I was out of apples and If I turned by back on them...they would reach their long and huge necks and heads over the wire...put their snout against my lower back and LAUNCH ME INTO THE AIR! FAR TOO! Then which ever one was responsible would whinney or laugh His Ass Off! Smart Horse!
Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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...that is possibly the most random thing I have ever heard in my life. But because I need a small break, I will answer. I own a crippled horse named Maggie, and she is sweet as sugar.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by Soulece
I really don't have many pet pieves but bible pushers are one of them. no wait.. closed minded bible pushers. Not saying you are one but you could come off as one to me.

Let me give you a friendly reality check.

The bible. The Qu'Ran. Or any religious text speak of ONE diety. One for you to worship. And also to disregard the other book. Its a battle. And here's the reality check - you lose the game if you pick a side.

Who's to say what you feel is right? We live in a world where we are not perfect creatures. We can belief falsehood. Very easily, especially if the lie makes you feel good. It's our defense mechanism we all have. We need to cling to something to feel alright. But you cant do that because then that leaves you with a BIASED opinion.

Now, back to this reality check. The bible says its the true one. The others do as well. Why are they wrong and the bible being right? Why cant anybody see the obvious fact that they are all a piece to the puzzle. Not one of them is right. But not one of any of them are wrong.

Open up the mind. Stop picking sides. Religion is all a side factor. You're either with this particular one or you're not. And once you chose a side, in my humble opinion, you lose at the game.

Peace


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EDIT: Because I feel like saying this, all the bible is is how to be a good person. "to follow 'gods' footsteps." Revelations was written long after the bible. So don't bunch that in there even though the church did.
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I've also read the Koran. Its not the same. It begins with rule upon rule before it establishes any reason to have any real faith. Its a brainwashing book. The bible isn't like that if taken in a cover to cover read. But it is as you say USED to delineate sides into a battle of sorts. That being the battle of Good V Evil once again. I do have the impression there are some Muslims who may have read the book, not fell to worship the stone in Mecca and hope in a higher authority. However, that no-pictures of Mohammad (for everyone, not just those who would worship the image) stuff is actually INVERTED IDOLATRY.
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by MarlboroRedCowgirl
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Does that really matter? In the scheme of things, I really don't see the significance in one letter. The Bible is as it was meant to be.


As far as using the Bible as a Teaching tool to help people get a grasp on the animal instincts...no...it doesn't matter. As far as something being a truth as apposed to a Non-Truth...yes...it matters. Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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I agree bud; i consider my self a religious person as well and take time out of my life to read the bible. The thing is, however, if you ask me the Bible isn't the "word of God" as you claim it to be; it has been heavily skewed by mankind for political purposes. The real word of God in my opinion can be found in the Quran, because the Quran has remained the same ever since the angel Gabriel delivered it to Muhammad; it has to yet be skewed by man. By the way, i am no Muslim i just believe in the Oneness we are all part of which religions describe as God . And for the record, Jews, Christians, and Muslims (as well as the Baha'i faith, among other religions) all believe in the same God so if your a Christian there's no need for the "bashing" of other religions. Nonetheless, i'm glad you brought this up because God is very real and i believe the purpose in our existence is too connect with God by raising our vibration frequencies by committing selfless acts of peace, giving, forgiveness, etc. Anyways, i can go on and on as i am well educated on this subject.


Peace and love to all



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by reitze

Originally posted by Soulece
I really don't have many pet pieves but bible pushers are one of them. no wait.. closed minded bible pushers. Not saying you are one but you could come off as one to me.

Let me give you a friendly reality check.

The bible. The Qu'Ran. Or any religious text speak of ONE diety. One for you to worship. And also to disregard the other book. Its a battle. And here's the reality check - you lose the game if you pick a side.

Who's to say what you feel is right? We live in a world where we are not perfect creatures. We can belief falsehood. Very easily, especially if the lie makes you feel good. It's our defense mechanism we all have. We need to cling to something to feel alright. But you cant do that because then that leaves you with a BIASED opinion.

Now, back to this reality check. The bible says its the true one. The others do as well. Why are they wrong and the bible being right? Why cant anybody see the obvious fact that they are all a piece to the puzzle. Not one of them is right. But not one of any of them are wrong.

Open up the mind. Stop picking sides. Religion is all a side factor. You're either with this particular one or you're not. And once you chose a side, in my humble opinion, you lose at the game.

Peace


[7]

EDIT: Because I feel like saying this, all the bible is is how to be a good person. "to follow 'gods' footsteps." Revelations was written long after the bible. So don't bunch that in there even though the church did.
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I've also read the Koran. Its not the same. It begins with rule upon rule before it establishes any reason to have any real faith. Its a brainwashing book. The bible isn't like that if taken in a cover to cover read. But it is as you say USED to delineate sides into a battle of sorts. That being the battle of Good V Evil once again. I do have the impression there are some Muslims who may have read the book, not fell to worship the stone in Mecca and hope in a higher authority. However, that no-pictures of Mohammad (for everyone, not just those who would worship the image) stuff is actually INVERTED IDOLATRY.
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Lets replace muslim with another one of the religions, buddhism. That is a religion after all. Is that wrong? Surely the bible is the one and only true written work of religion ever. And all of these other peacefule religions are just what their crazy minds thought of. The not so "trustworthy" english nation has the right idea.

I can troll all night on this



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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I understand where your coming from. I also understand that the act is greater than the name. Moses may have crossed the Reed Sea or the Red Sea. But somehow, he single handedly freed an entire race of people from hundreds of years of slavery, as well as delivered the 10 commandment; which are the foundation of all modern legislation. Thats the bigger picture.



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