Federal Government says Texas voter photo ID law discriminates against Hispanics. Huh?

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by sirhumperdink
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well.... logic would dictate that they work for cheap because they arent legitimate citizens and cant find work else where and these criminally low wages are still better than they would be paid in mexico


Oh please man. I've known MANY Illegals of all races and nationalities who make $30 + per hour or even work in a cubicle at a suit and tie job. The companies don't let them go because they've learned the job so well that they stick around for 8 years and work their way up. This whole "picking fruit and veggies" crap is just the worst case scenario. One of the guys I went to for an outsource job for my business told me he makes $35/ hour because he's the only one that knows how to run the fabric cutter (his explanation). And he's here illegally from Honduras.

I even know of Illegals who work for State, County and City jobs. That's right...GOVERNMENT here in California. And nobody cares.

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by KilrathiLG
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so because they dont vote for the rich it must be some repiblican conspiracy to crush people who would otherwise illegaly vote for a democratic candidate.....


Oh that's right, I F-ing forgot that people who do not have IDs are illegal



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by sirhumperdink
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my opinion is illegal immigrants havent ruined much of anything at all theyre no more guilty than the people who will hire them for below minimum wage


But yet when people go after the employers, the Illegals and their apologists STILL rant it's 'unfair'. No win situation. And I'm 37 and grew up in California my whole life. Born and raised Los Angeles. Everyone OTHER than Illegal friendly Mexicans admit that this place went downhill since the influx in the 90's. Entire towns have been decimated. Downtown Los Angeles is a prime example, it's Tijuana. And many of the inland cities and towns, some are almost exclusively "Hispanic", and ANY other race or ethnicity feels like they're in Mexico



as long as the money stays in the country and cycles through our economy rather than back over the boarder to help their families then far more good than harm is being done


Except our money IS going to Mexico. The Second/Third largest net revenue for Mexico is wired or mailed money from U.S. We're basically floating Mexico's economy.



things are a lot more complicated than people would like to believe


No, it's not. It's quite simple and nefarious.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Wait.. So tell me where all this voter impersonation is???

Is it invisible fraud?

You guys are crooked as the Republicans in DC


Quite frankly, how would you be able to discern voter impersonation without verifying their Federal or State Picture ID? I could go to the voter desk, say I am mastahunta, they would show me the spot to sign on to get my ballot. Pretty great system huh? In Michigan they verify the ID and even verified the signature. I don't see a problem with that.
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by mastahunta

Wait.. So tell me where all this voter impersonation is???

Is it invisible fraud?

You guys are crooked as the Republicans in DC


Quite frankly, how would you be able to discern voter impersonation without verifying their Federal or State Picture ID? I could go to the voter desk, say I am mastahunta, they would show me the spot to sign on to get my ballot. Pretty great system huh? In Michigan they verify the ID and even verified the signature. I don't see a problem with that.
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So Pavil, tell me the last time your vote was cast by another person pretending to be you?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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I vote early in the morning, I am usually one of the first ten people. I have never had my vote impersonated. Though I easily could have voted for my roommate who never votes yet is registered to vote. I don't see an issue with providing proof of your Identity to vote. I have to ask for proof of ID everyday at my 5 offices, everybody seems to be able to produce it for me. What's your issue with having to provide proof of identity and residence?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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Some say that this is a constitutional issue, because the constitution doesn't mention voter ID.

On the other hand, the Constitution doesn't specify a secret ballot, either. Look it up.

We didn't need voter ID when there were only 3 million people in the whole country (and no illegals...).



There are two reasons for the Obama position:

A) It fits in with his administration's "war on Texas."

B) He wants to muddy the concept of citizenship. The more confused it can be made, the closer his Soros et al will be to their millennial dream.



Ask Mastahunta whether he believes in amnesty for illegals. You'll get to the bottom of his socialism real fast.


Internationalism is communism.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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It'd be awesome if anyone on hear could clarify the process of registering voters - from what I recall, although I have a Texas DL, I certainly shouldn't be on any electoral registers nor have I ever registered to vote. When I got my DL, I must confess however that I cannot recall if I had to show my passport/green card. If illegals are able to get drivers licenses, what purpose can the 'photo identification' rule have but to exclude registered voters/citizens who do not have photographic ID?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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It sounds like you'd need to show both your voter registration card (or be on the list for that voting station), and then show a valid ID to show it's really you.

The claim is usually that the fraud consists in claiming a name on the voter roll is actually you, when it's not. Where I vote in TX, you don't even need your voter card. You give them a name and they mark it off the list. Then if that person shows up, they are prevented from voting "again."

Chicago is famous for having the dead cast votes for democrats. It was Chicago that carried the 1960 election for Kennedy



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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I'm from Florida and have only voted in Florida so I am not sure how they do things over in Texas. Here when you show up to your precinct there is a list of registered voters and they match your name(with photo ID) to the list in front of them. If you are not on the list of registered voters you cannot vote.

However a major flaw is recently deceased registered voter's names will still be on the list. Without ID someone could easily say they are a dead man and cast a vote. There are many other flaws with the system, that is just an obvious one.
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by jrod
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I'm from Florida and have only voted in Florida so I am not sure how they do things over in Texas. Here when you show up to your precinct there is a list of registered voters and they match your name(with photo ID) to the list in front of them. If you are not on the list of registered voters you cannot vote.

However a major flaw is recently deceased registered voter's names will still be on the list. Without ID someone could easily say they are a dead man and cast a vote. There are many other flaws with the system, that is just an obvious one.
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How hard can it be to scan the obituaries and simply remove the deceased from the list?

In this day and age of computers it should be easy.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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What part of "your facts are not facts" don't you get?

This law is in Texas.
Texas grants IDs for FREE!

Therefore there is no cost to vote. Period.

What is so hard to understand that filling out a voter registration card, required, for FREE is no more discriminatory than requiring one to fill out an ID card request, for FREE.

Amazingly, nobody cries foul when Democrats send buses to transport people to polling stations, yet nobody shows up to escort me. This discriminates against ME! Why should I have to use my gas, my car to vote when others get a free ride on a bus? I want my own free bus ride to polling stations otherwise I feel this discriminates against people that live in Middle class neighborhoods.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Eric Holder doesn't have a leg to stand on in Texas.

His days are numbered at the Dept. of Justice.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627
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What part of "your facts are not facts" don't you get?

This law is in Texas.
Texas grants IDs for FREE!

Therefore there is no cost to vote. Period.



Not true, only disabled vets get a fee waiver.

Here is the direct source: Texas Department of Public Safety



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Because we are dealing with the government and they tend to be inept or extremely inefficient in their operations. Also those who are responsible for the voter's list tend to be older people who are not comfortable with computers.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by jrod
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Because we are dealing with the government and they tend to be inept or extremely inefficient in their operations. Also those who are responsible for the voter's list tend to be older people who are not comfortable with computers.


Well then we need to hire some competent new employees and get rid of the incompetent

employees. We can get there from here.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627
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What part of "your facts are not facts" don't you get?

This law is in Texas.
Texas grants IDs for FREE!

Therefore there is no cost to vote. Period.

What is so hard to understand that filling out a voter registration card, required, for FREE is no more discriminatory than requiring one to fill out an ID card request, for FREE.

Amazingly, nobody cries foul when Democrats send buses to transport people to polling stations, yet nobody shows up to escort me. This discriminates against ME! Why should I have to use my gas, my car to vote when others get a free ride on a bus? I want my own free bus ride to polling stations otherwise I feel this discriminates against people that live in Middle class neighborhoods.


What part of reading are you missing? Comprehension? Read my posts before you comment on them. You have absolutely no facts..and no tact.

Peace



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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I was curt. Because you, and others, continue to argue that voting must be free and if it's not, it's unconstitutional. What people fail to understand is that the voter ID required in Texas is FREE. Hence, no cost. Hence, not unconstitutional based on associated fees.

Not to mention you can't be a registered voter without having initially shown proof of identity.



How can I apply for a free election ID certificate?

Visit a Texas Driver License office and request a free election ID certificate for the purpose of voting.  Voters must provide:

1.  Proof of identity.

2.  A completed application.

3.  Consent to be photographed and fingerprinted.

4.  A signature.


Source: Texas Voter ID Kit

Here's the part that makes me crazy--

You have to show ID to register to vote.
What is the big deal about showing it again WHEN you vote?

If a person has no ID at all, they can't even register to begin. All this law does is ensure that the person registered is the person voting.

Again, I do not see what possible problem there can be with this.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627
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I was curt. Because you, and others, continue to argue that voting must be free and if it's not, it's unconstitutional. What people fail to understand is that the voter ID required in Texas is FREE. Hence, no cost. Hence, not unconstitutional based on associated fees.

Not to mention you can't be a registered voter without having initially shown proof of identity.



How can I apply for a free election ID certificate?

Visit a Texas Driver License office and request a free election ID certificate for the purpose of voting.  Voters must provide:

1.  Proof of identity.

2.  A completed application.

3.  Consent to be photographed and fingerprinted.

4.  A signature.


Source: Texas Voter ID Kit

Here's the part that makes me crazy--

You have to show ID to register to vote.
What is the big deal about showing it again WHEN you vote?

If a person has no ID at all, they can't even register to begin. All this law does is ensure that the person registered is the person voting.

Again, I do not see what possible problem there can be with this.


I see no conflict with requiring a photo ID. As I previously stated.

Surely you can see the conflict if they require you to purchase something in order to have the right to vote.
No matter how low the cost may seem to be.

If ID's are free in Texas. ..then no conflict.

Peace



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Nite_wing
I am sure there are people who don’t drive, don’t have bank accounts, don’t cash checks, don’t have phones, don’t have electric bills or water bills, don’t have insurance, don’t have credit cards, don’t buy liquor, don’t have cable tv, don’t have personal physicians or medical bills, get paid in cash and buy everything with cash. The fact that most are illegal aliens who vote Democratic is just a coincidence


I agree


In fact, if they have neither of those items, why are they voting in the 1st place?





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