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Federal Government says Texas voter photo ID law discriminates against Hispanics. Huh?

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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by duality90
Correct - but the point is that is that an otherwise valid measure aimed at preventing illegal aliens from voting is also going to affect voters who are otherwise qualified . Look to the substance rather than the form.


I agree with you on that and I get that completely. But what would the reasons be that the "otherwise qualified" voters not have proper documentation. No form of ID is required in Texas for and absentee vote.



Do I need to provide ID when I vote by absentee ballot?

You do not need to provide ID if you have already voted at least once in Texas. If you are a first time voter and you did not put your drivers license number or Social Security number on your voter registration form then you must include a copy of your ID with your absentee ballot application (you are exempt from this requirement if you included this document with your voter registration form). Acceptable forms of ID include: a state issued driver's license or state ID card that shows your name (a card issued by another state is fine, even if it's expired); any other photo ID that shows your name; a US passport, US birth certificate, or US citizenship papers; OR a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and Texas address.

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If they are already registered to vote then this should be a no issue. But if they are not registered to vote how can they vote? Also what about the requirement to be registered to vote? Which has been in place for some time now how come NO one is screaming foul on that? Technically it is no different than requiring a form of ID.

It has only become an issue when a certain documents (DL or Photo IDs) are required and to obtain those documents (DL/Photo ID) require proof of residency/citizenship it becomes an issue.




posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
I still grow tired of people who think this country is a democracy.

This country was founded as a republic .. Rule of law.

Of course now, the government and media outlets say its a democracy. (Which is rule by majority)

But in this case .. the minority of this country seems to think its the majority.


Don't forget about the tyranny of a Democracy. That is why we were founded as a Republic.


SM2

posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by TexasTornado
Being a small town country boy from Texas, I am pleased with this development. My grandma (who is 97-years old) who has not had a photo ID since she quit driving some 30-years ago (1983) wants nothing more than to get the opportunity to vote the Kenyan Muslim out of office. She was saddened when she discovered that she would be unable to vote in the upcoming election because of the damn revenuers. Now it seems she may get her wish.

This is not a R vs. D issue; rather, this is a constitutional issue. The constitution doesn't call for voter ID. To this day, there has never been an ID requirement. She says that if they want things changed, then they need to "amend the god damn constitution" like they did back in the "good old days".


There is also no constitutional requirement for identification for the purchase or ownership of firearms, but, you need one and in some states you need special permission to own them. So, that argument is dead in the water.
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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by duality90

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Auricom
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Such idiocy, I mean really. For starters, this only hurts the illegal-Hispanics. And last time I checked, they were criminals who broke the countries laws by crossing it's borders without proper documentation. As I'm sure most legal Hispanics have one or another form of picture I.D.

Not sure if this is political correctness gone overboard costing us fraudulent votes or if it's meant to encourage fraudulent votes... Sickening either way, and just a sign to show you that political correctness will be the cause of Western downfall. (Amongst others)


That's exactly right. They are attempting to legislate political correctness. Requiring a photo ID would theoretically disenfranchise a portion of every race. The biggest segment of the population that it would truly affect are the illegals. It would also affect the ability to commit voter fraud by voting multiple times in different districts or under different names. Illegal acts all of which benefit democrats.


Are there any studies showing how many illegals vote, and can anyone confirm to me that all people living in an electoral district are immediately shown on electoral roles regardless of citizenship? I am not yet a US Citizen so I don't have any first-hand experience of this, but if someone could actually set out the facts and the truths, perhaps we could then assess the validity of the arguments instead of blindly asserting 'too many illegals vote' and that 'this protects illegals` ability to vote'. I simply do not believe that the Federal government and even the Democratic party feel they have a vested interested in ensuring that vast swathes of illegal aliens have the ability to vote - until I see statistics which demonstrate that voter fraud is actually a serious problem (I had been led to believe that it actually is not), I will give the Federal government the benefit of the doubt in this matter. The same would be true if this were a Republican administration, because it would be offensive to me that any Administration would try to curry favour and subvert the voting process for its own political gain.

As usual, we are examining legal action which the DoJ is required to take as a matter of Constitutional principle through the focal lens of partisan motivation. The fact is that the Texas measure 1) may well be unconstitutionally discriminatory; and 2) cannot be put in place without the approval of the DoJ/Federal government under s.5 VRA 1965


That's one of those things that is probably hard to nail down. We all know it happens, it probably isn't widespread, but it may be enough to sway a race to the left. I think there may be a lot of absentee fraud using illegals, because here in NM for example, they can get a drivers license even as an illegal immigrant. Once the license is issued, who is to say they (or someone on their behalf) don't request an absentee ballot? Now that I think about it, with a license they have an address on file - they can lie on their voter registration form and who would know otherwise? They can then vote in person.

I seriously doubt that is it that difficult to get away with it, especially in an utterly corrupt place like NM.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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Starts with adult Hispanics then where does it lead to? Microchipping US babies could be one of the end points.




posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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I find it quite shocking that you don't need photo ID to vote in a election. Up here in good ol Can a da we require One photo ID, another with your name and signed by you, AND the voter card mailed to you in advanced.

It's common sense....but we all know how that phrase turns out.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627
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So according to you, everything that requires payment is discriminatory?

Passports
Licenses
College applications
Taxes

Green cards require payment. That's discriminatory as well?

Reality check: life is not free. What is free is paid for by other people called TAXPAYERS!!!


We are talking about voting..it should not cost anything. Don't you see the conflict?

If there is a cost to vote...then people who cannot afford ..cannot vote. Maybe the line will not be too great for a smart strapping taxpayer like yourself..at first. But don't you see that if there is ever a cost they can keep raising the price until even someone as gifted as yourself may not be able to pay. Then we would lose the benefit of your insightful vote..

Peace

EDIT:

Today you have to pay for an $8 ID..tomorrow you have to own 100 acres of land.

Although I have read that this is not the case that these ID's cost anything..so no conflict.
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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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If someone can't afford the $20 one needs for an ID to vote I am sure a church or even a party headquarters would be happy to help someone out.

My feelings on this thread is that many of those who oppose ID check at the polls and applaud the US government for this decision would feel the opposite if Bush was and charge and struck down voter ID laws.

In today's modern times there are no excuses for a citizen of the United States to not have some form of ID.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
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If someone can't afford the $20 one needs for an ID to vote I am sure a church or even a party headquarters would be happy to help someone out.

My feelings on this thread is that many of those who oppose ID check at the polls and applaud the US government for this decision would feel the opposite if Bush was and charge and struck down voter ID laws.

In today's modern times there are no excuses for a citizen of the United States to not have some form of ID.


Sorry that your insight is lacking....voting should never cost a cent..period. If you do not see the conflict..then sorry.

As far as ID required by every citizen..I could not disagree more. I won't argue this with you...because you will eventually win..we will have chips or tattoos one day..so congrats to you.

Peace
Peace



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Now here is a question and one that I do not think that any one has asked how does the 11%, the Hispanic voters, get say a job, or drive, or even get social services without some form of government id. Then how is Voting any different, than to verify who they say that they are? Or are they afraid that it may reveal what many of us know, that those who are not suppose to vote are in fact voting.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by AwakeinNM
 

Now here is a question and one that I do not think that any one has asked how does the 11%, the Hispanic voters, get say a job, or drive, or even get social services without some form of government id. Then how is Voting any different, than to verify who they say that they are? Or are they afraid that it may reveal what many of us know, that those who are not suppose to vote are in fact voting.
I'll quote you because it needs to be said LOUD & CLEAR !!!



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by spav5


Sorry that your insight is lacking....voting should never cost a cent..period. If you do not see the conflict..then sorry.



Lack of insight? Have you even read the entire thread? Face it man, this bill protects against voter fraud which a much bigger problem that most are willing to believe.

Everyone has to get an ID at some point in life, that is just a fact of life. Those who cannot afford an ID can find someone to help them. The cost of an ID is insignificant.

If someone could get a free picture ID would that satisfy you? Or would you make another excuse as to why we should not have ID checks at the polls?



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by jrod

Originally posted by spav5


Sorry that your insight is lacking....voting should never cost a cent..period. If you do not see the conflict..then sorry.



Lack of insight? Have you even read the entire thread? Face it man, this bill protects against voter fraud which a much bigger problem that most are willing to believe.

Everyone has to get an ID at some point in life, that is just a fact of life. Those who cannot afford an ID can find someone to help them. The cost of an ID is insignificant.

If someone could get a free picture ID would that satisfy you? Or would you make another excuse as to why we should not have ID checks at the polls?



Did you read the post you were responding to?

Peace



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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Have you read ATS terms of service and how quoting entire posts is frowned upon?


Yes, no would you please answer my question. Would you be okay with the voter photo ID law if those less fortunate could get a free ID?



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
reply to post by spav5
 


Have you read ATS terms of service and how quoting entire posts is frowned upon?


Yes, no would you please answer my question. Would you be okay with the voter photo ID law if those less fortunate could get a free ID?



If you had read the post that you were responding to..you would know that I said that I do not see a conflict if the ID's are cost free. I will reiterate that just for you.

Are you the T$C police?

Peace


They provide a quote button..did you not see that either? I will reiterate..just for you..they have a quote button.

Peace again
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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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If you don't have a phone, you loose out, if you don't have a car or bicycle you loose out, if you don't have shoes you loose out, if you don't have glasses or teeth you loose out. If yo can't get a id to better yourself and have possibilities in your life, it's no bodys fault but your own. I 100% agree, no ID, you can't vote. And the analogy it by virtue of having to buy an ID somehow translates that you have to pay to vote..........rubish, sounds like liberal rant.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Anyone who cannot see that requiring a person to purchase even a $10 ID to be able to vote is voter discrimination is just to ignorant to see the implications.

Sure they can afford a $10 ID (not all people can) so it should be okay.

What if the "stupid Libs" raise the cost of your ID to $500...will you complain then? How about $10,000? Ooops now you can't even afford to vote them out.

Peace



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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You have to have a valid ID to do about everything else in this country...why would you not need a valid ID to vote? No matter how low your income, you can afford an ID. The only reason you wouldn't want an ID is because you are illegal, or you have something to hide. It really is that plain and simple.

For those of you who say "I don't think forcing people to get an ID is proper". No one is forcing anyone to get an ID. And certainly no one is forcing you to vote. If you want to buy a beer anywhere in this country, you must first purchase an ID. If you want to get a pack of cigs, you must first purchase an ID. If you want to apply for a job, you must first purchase an ID. If you have ever had a job legally in the USA, then you have an ID. If you are an illegal alien, you won't have a valid ID. Get the picture?

I would say the most people who are U.S. citizens have ID's, save for a few living in mommies basement or that kind of thing. And I would say most illegal aliens do not have ID's, save for the ones from NM as before mentioned. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where I am going with this.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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My understanding is that a personal ID in Texas is free of charge. Just wondering, has anyone questioned the descrimination and racism the judge used in his decision- is it really fair to suggest that a disproportionate number of hispanics don't have ID's? Is he suggesting that hispanics break the law when they drive, or is it something more sinister?



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by spav5


We are talking about voting..it should not cost anything. Don't you see the conflict?



Doesn't it cost to send an absentee ballot? Or is that free too?






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