Your daily dose of subversive Communist propaganda

I only just found out about this film. Naturally, I downloaded it immediately.

Watch in good health, Comrades.

Out of curiosity, why is Communism deemed 'subversive' in the alleged 'Land Of The Free' where freedom of thought and speech is enshrined in your hallowed Constitution?

always good to keep up with a regular dose of indoctrination each day

If you really want to educate yourself on capitalism you should watch this:
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U.S. has never been Capitalist

The only time where the U.S. drifted into true capitalism was in the 20's and yeah we had people out of jobs and lining up in the soup kitchens

when the banks got bailed out by public money,
and the people will pay the bill,

THIS IS CAPITALISM HOW?

ME thinks you have been indoctrinated by capitalism to the point where you blindly support the illusion of capitalism, while clearly your "free" markets are socialist

quite ironic really,

i am not either cap or soc or com,

i am human,
i am not an ideal nor an ism,
you should fear the real propagandists, those that try to convince you YOU are capitalist when you can work your whole life and make only others rich,

i will now proceed to watch your video, for resurch
xploder

If the U.S was 100% Capitalist we would not have fire departments, police departments or even an army.

muse7 that is completely out of this world what you are saying.

What other form of capitalism do you know that has been expressed on this planet?

If you think that a true capitalist country should not have a fire departement and so on, then perhaps you should give example of that true capitalism country so that we know what are you talking about.

Since it does not exist, please keep the conversation in context before you start talking about a government on Nibiru.

Just because our tax dollars deliver our mail, doesn't prove we are NOT capitalist. Theres a few public services out of need/welfare but USA is mostly extreme capitalism/consumerism to the MAX.

USA is the world breeding grounds for all kinds of greedy capitalism, especially vulture and the Rothschilds' global cabal capi-terrorism.

reply to post by BiggerPicture


I'd say it's more like guided capitalism

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how the hell is this in any way "communist propaganda"???

Originally posted by muse7
If the U.S was 100% Capitalist we would not have fire departments, police departments or even an army.

Why is that?

How about volunteer organizations? According to you are they permitted?

I believe in human nature and human nature is not communist or socialist and never has been. Unless someone can show me when it has been but as far as i can see we were always what we now call capitalists. Hell just the function of choosing a mate is capitalist...is it not?

The late Pope, John Paul II, in a speech said "Unbridled Capitalism is worse than Communism'

Thank God we do not have true/unbridled Capitalism.

Want to read a shocking book about those great 1920's? Once in Golconda. Wall street and the bankers were total unethical scoundrels.

Another thread full of misconceptions about capitalism.

A little history, the first use of the term 'capitalism' was by the French socialist Louis Blanc in 1850, who defined the term as "the appropriation of capital by some to the exclusion of others."

It was later defined as "the private ownership of the means of production", by socialists, which became the official definition. Marx describes it as the system that replaced feudalism, when the laws changed allowing land owners, the Noblemen, to sell plots of land and deny it's use to the commoners (the rest of us). Up until this point common land laws allowed the commoners to use land that was not already in use. When this right was denied due to the change in the law it forced people into towns and cities to work in factories and mills. This was the beginning of labour exploitation by capitalists/land owners which lead to the industrial revolution (the capitalist revolution of exploiting people to produce goods to sell to other rich capitalists).

This lead to the workers organizing and coming up with ideas to replace the private owner/labour exploitation problem. Workers decided they would be better off if they owned the mills and factories they worked in. This economic system was called socialism. Socialism is the 'workers ownership of the means of production', and there are many different ways to organize and implement it from state control, Marxism, to no state at all, Anarchism.

"Anarchism is stateless socialism", Mikhail Bakunin.

Capitalism is not 'free-markets'. When the means to produce for the market are mostly privately owned, then control of the market is by the private owners, the capitalists, a minority group with strong self interests. The same group who has sold you 'self interest' as "freedom", when it's only a way to weaken you, and only serves their interests. It's only a 'free-market' for those who own capital, and make their living from it. In a true 'free-market' labour would be treated like any commodity, and workers would have control over the value of their labour and the product they produce.

Under capitalism the worker is exploited, because they have to produce more than they are paid for, in order for the capitalist to make profit. It's a myth that capitalists create "jobs", they simply control the scarcity of "jobs" like they artificially create scarcity of resources in the market, to maintain control and profits.

Capitalism is not money, money is simply a tool of any market system. Capitalism is not the market, and neither is socialism, they are simply terms describing whom has the majority control over the means to produce goods for the market, and for human needs. Those that own the means of production control the economy, and thus control the system. Capitalists are the only people who can afford to run for top seats in government, they don't represent the workers, you and me, the represent the minority owners of capital.

(and I mean those capitalist owners who are at the very top of the pyramid scheme, like the oil companies, not Ma and Pa's sandwich shop.)

So yes the USA, and most all of the world, is based on a capitalist economy. There is no country at this present time who's economy is mostly owned and controlled by the workers. If there was the US military would probably be there "liberating" it's people

We do have true/unbridled Capitalism, capitalism is capitalism is capitalism. There is only one kind, and that be the private ownership of the means of prosecution. In theory it can be good, and it can be totalitarian, that all depends on the state system that supports it.

It is much easier for a capitalist economy to become totalitarian than a socialist one simply because when ownership of the economy is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands it becomes easier for them to control the state, or manipulate the state in their favour.

"Labor is entitled to all it creates"

Originally posted by XPLodER
when the banks got bailed out by public money,
and the people will pay the bill,

THIS IS CAPITALISM HOW?

How is this capitalism? It isn't. In a capitalist system, bailouts would never have happened. What you described is corporatism, which is related to capitalism the same way my house cat is related to a Siberian tiger.

/TOA

Originally posted by Freeborn
Out of curiosity

I use google to satiate my curiosity.

You see, I so respect my fellow ATS members that I try not to monopolize their time when I can find the answer myself using a search engine - And it works.

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Despite your not too veiled an attempt to belittle that still doesn't answer the question.

There is an acute paranoia about anything leftist in the USA with many people even advocating the banning of The Communist Party.
Things haven't really progressed that much since the McCarthy trials and the hearings of The House Of Un-American Activities Committee.

All of which is quite contrary to the American ethos of freedom of speech and belief.

To my knowledge The American Constitution does not promote Capitalism or prohibit Communism.

I have too much respect for my fellow ATS members to enter into childish and sanctimonious bickering and much prefer reasoned and respectful debate about the topic at hand which hopefully proves informative, enlightening and thought provoking and free from politicasl bias and dogma.

Originally posted by Malcher

Originally posted by muse7
If the U.S was 100% Capitalist we would not have fire departments, police departments or even an army.

Why is that?

How about volunteer organizations? According to you are they permitted?

I believe in human nature and human nature is not communist or socialist and never has been. Unless someone can show me when it has been but as far as i can see we were always what we now call capitalists. Hell just the function of choosing a mate is capitalist...is it not?

He also didn't stop priests abusing kids and prevented the use of contraception in Africa, fueling the spread of aids. Good man that Pope! (sarcasm - just to be clear).

Originally posted by The Old American

How is this capitalism? It isn't. In a capitalist system, bailouts would never have happened. What you described is corporatism, which is related to capitalism the same way my house cat is related to a Siberian tiger.

Corporatism is a result of capitalism.

Corporations are a way for capitalists to simply protect themselves. It's not corporatism, it's not crony capitalism, it is capitalism. Nothing has corrupted capitalism, it's corruption is inevitable because it is inherently corrupt.

If it's simply that capitalism has become corrupt, then how did that happen? How do you intend to fix it? How do you keep it from becoming corrupt again? More government regulations?

The inevitable result of capitalism is for the ownership and control of the economy to fall into smaller and smaller hands, more and more centralized state control. Capitalism is not a path to freedom as it's goal is to dominate. It has no interest in anyone's freedom other than the capitalists right by law to control the scarcity of resources, including "jobs" in order to maintain profit. Capitalists will never give up their self interest in order to maintain fair competition. This is why capitalism requires government intervention, which also becomes inevitably corrupted when capitalist interests, through economic power, become political interests.