A bit light on facts at the moment but an arab site has claimed that the second U.S hostage has been killed today.

A representative of the Tawhid and Jihad, a militant group led by Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has released a statement to the effect that the hostage has been killed and images will be available soon.

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Al Jazeera are now running it as a ticker headline.

Breaking.More when I find it.

Related links

www.abovetopsecret.com...

PS.Thankyou to the peron who sent the Anon News submission which included the translation link.

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[edit on 22-9-2004 by John bull 1]

[edit on 24-9-2004 by Banshee]

At the present Al-Jazeera just has a breaking news headline in regards to the second beheading.

On UK ITV, there reporting that they have killed the second American but this seems sketchy to me cause.

It’s been all over our news today that the Briton is next and that the family of this man has been pleading with Tony Blair for help.

english.aljazeera.
not much on their site but a red banner more to come soon.

[edit on 21/9/2004 by SE7EN]

This is cruel but..... Too bad that there are alot of decent peoples stuck in the middle of all of this, cuz' I'd rather nuke the whole region into glass at this point.
-Sincerly, Angry Kneejerk.

Yeah its been on all the local channels and radio in the UK all day.

I feel so sorry for the family of all these hostages it must be so frustrating to know that there is a strong possibilty that their father/friend/brother can be saved but it just cannot be acceptable to give in to these scumbad terrorists!

No, this is the second hostage.The news was released in the last hour.

He ment about the british hostage Jbull in reply to me

?Im confused?

I think Seven knows what i mean.

Unless the british hostage has been killed and i dont know about it.

I think the 6 or 5:30 news said something about the next hostage deadline is over in a few minutes and this must have been between 5-6pm, yeah?

So we are just waiting for them to confirm at this moment?

I am beginning to think that its time for a complete sweep of the country. Its time to root out these sick, twisted individuals and line them up in a row. then we can pull out the "Retna poppers" and see if they work at close range. Why is my government so afraid to do anything for these people! I am so frustrated with everyone saying that Bush is brave and honorable. If Bush were truly a brave and honorable leader, these acts of terrorism would NOT go unpunished. And correct me if I am wrong, but isnt this the same guy that we just let walk out of a mosque a few weeks ago? Bush is about as brave as the cowardly terrorist we are at war with. Lets call this like it is. Bush=mor4e beheadings because he will continually let these acts go unpunished, or let the offenders go free thinking he just saved a little PR mess from sulling his*cough* pristine reputation.

You got to feel for the governments to be fair it doesnt matter what govenment it is in this kind of situation.

Let me try to see myself in their positions.

1. Let the terrorists requests happen and let the prisonors free.
It might save the current hostages but once all the terrorists realise that they could also free the prisonors they want out this will provoke other groups to request releases aswell so this is a no-no.

2. Dont give in to any terrorist negotiations, this will certainly put an end to those hostages and make the government look heartless but in the end the terrorists will always take hostages and threaten to execute them even if they know the government wont give in to them, the terrorists surely know this unless they are terribly stupid.

Its a no win no win situation.

I don't think it is. I'm afraid your idea of fighting the guerilla war equals flattening entire cities... That would not be acceptable to any administration.



Me too! He's not brave and honorable at all.



No, that was a different dude and he didn't behead anybody.

No Aelita, My views have skewed abit since our last discussion Im still PO'ed, but I think after our last discussion, I reread the whole thread and realized I was thinking muscle, not brains. I think we ought to start doing surgical strikes at night with 6 to 10 man team of Spec-Ops and start taking these groups out. There are logistics to consider of course, but basicly, I would have
12 teams starting at all 12 corners of Iraq and work there way to the center. It would take some support, but It would be more efficent than the path we are on now.


Yeah, I realized that after I reread the thread, to many z's and s's in all those names.

Friends now?

KF

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I feel so much for the families of the three hostages, they have done absolutely nothing wrong, all they try to do is help in the rebuilding of Iraq's infrastructure. This is what they get? I know this isn't the work of ordinary Iraqi's, it just makes me sick.

I don't care what anyone says but these b*stards cannot be reasoned with, these extremists will only be pleased once the whole world is under their twisted and distorted rule of Islam.

I don't give a sh*t, i say find these guys and knock seven colours of sh*t out of them. Beat them, torture them, mustard gas them, deep fry them, napalm them, i don't give a cr*p.

It disgusts me and i'm not going to watch the video.

What if this was your father, mother, brother, sister, partner or child? Wouldn't you be angry?

This puts Blair in a difficult position because if he releases the two female prisoners then it'll show the extremists that kidnapping and other atrocious acts is a good way of getting what you want, no matter how impossible the demands are.

Imagine for a minute you're one of the families, how would you feel?

I say no mercy.

Look, spec ops are more than capable of taking out a group of insurgents who after all aren't trained that well and whose gear if laughable compared to what the spec ops have.

The real challenge is in locating those people. That really is the hardest part. Once it's done, the US typically doesn't hesitate to strike even with some collateral damage. So far, locating the target proved exceedilngly difficult.

Psychotic people enjoy killing others. As long as we remain in Iraq
these lunatics will get their kicks beheading people and tossing bombs. Consider how many fellow Iraqis the "valiant insurgents" have murdered during their suicide missions. You cannot stamp out a mindset; we need to leave and let these freakish people work things out for themselves.

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Is it just me, or have these "people" taken complete command of the situation in Iraq?

And what are these guys trying to accmplish by killing civilians? I think it'd be more effective to capture soldiers. Of coruse they did just that, but did they kill him? No.

Yes I have to agree with you they are running the show in Iraq, and US is getting frustrated with the situation.

And yes they are killing civilians that take side with the US or coalitions I wonder how many coalition forces remain in Iraq beside US.

Another thing I cannot emphasize enough that US needs to ban any civilian personal from Iraq that is not a national of the country this senseless killing is not going to stop as long as targets are around the country.

I understand that we are in a war and that you are to expect deaths but these are innocent people that are there just to make a living.

Do you think that the goverments of the US and UK would negotiate if one of their family members were the hostage?

They should just track the IP of the prick posting the videos and bomb the hell out of the location.

We DO NOT negotiate with terrorists, foreign or domestic. These are heartless people, what makes you think they would free those men even if we did what they demanded.. THEY WOULDN'T.

I may not be popular with this thought but here we go.

What has happened to these people is horrific and shows us just what type of enemy we now face.

With that said after these latest beheadings I would say that anyone still in Iraq that is not military is really tempting fate. At what point do we say that you are putting yourself in such a situation that if you are kidnapped and this happens to you, that is just a risk you take being a civilian westerner in Iraq? Is that time soon, would any of you take a job in Iraq without being willing to accept such an act as a potential outcome? If you do and still go there are you to some degree also responsible to your family for putting yourself in such a position?

It seems to me that anyone there should know the risk and be willing to accept them if they choose to stay. Harsh I realize but common sense must kick in at some point. Only our military will make a difference at this point in time. Maybe the foriegners should clear out and let them take care of the problem.