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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by spacemanjupiter
The way I see it Ron Paul is the only person that has a chance of fixing this country. If I can't vote for him then I will not be voting for anyone at all.
See...this is where you lose me. If RP is our saving grace then why would you not vote for him as number 2 in command??
Wouldn't you rather see RP have some say in what goes on?? He would preside over congress and could still create needed change. VP doesn't have to be a lame duck position.edit on 13-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by cuervo
Vote for Obama again. In a heart beat. GOP lost their chance to get some libs on their side when they threw their lot in with Mittens O'Bomney.
Well if you’re a lib you’d vote for Obama anyway, right?
I don’t know any libs who lean libertarian/constitutionalist.
Barry voters typically hate the constitution…it’s an obstacle!
Originally posted by LiberLegit
I think the only people that could take Obama in a debate are Rick or Newt (Newt is FLAWLESS in debates.) I AM a Paulite and reality HAS set in for me. At this point i'm just trying to get Obama out of there, the problem is - I don't want Romney in there at all. As the race has been picking up and Paul has been falling behind, I have taken a liking to Santorum.
Originally posted by akalepos
Has it set in that even if he landslided the popular vote, that someone else would emerge as the victor?
That even if he were elected president, and that if he actually lived up to his word, that he would be assassinated by the Global Chimp Empire?
We were shown in that Bush/Gore showdown that what the able people want, they get.
Do you really expect me to believe that the Elmer Fudd Sock Monkey was reelected by popular vote?
With all the allegations of fraud throughout this process, it is hard to determine what has really taken place.
If true, it adds more value to the conclusion that our voting process has been annihilated, and our vote truly does not count.
If false, then it shows that we have even deeper problems than simple election fraud.
It would show that as a voting public we have become so simple minded that any weasel that comes along that can excite the emotions and twist things up for us with their little one liner memes as if they had said something, "causes" we the masses to begin nodding our heads in agreement over nonsense, as if we were all mental/emotional slaves, unable to think for our selves.
The senate was formed with the mandate of quieting down the passions of the masses. I see no one making the attempt and haven't for years now.
No one who is running has said anything that really convinces me that they have the US in mind. I need to hear things like: "Maybe it's time that we rethink our policies regarding GAT and NAFTA to some degree where we participate less, in favor of a genuine american industry." We were hard sold that by Clinton, a dem, and were told how good this would be for america. What america? Not mine.
No one who is running has said anything about rooting out unfair, unjust, and unconstitutional laws that protect our individual rights and ... our livlihood. They only mention constitutional values when it works to their advantage, the same as any other trashy con I have ever met, and I dare say that you have ever met.
There is much that I need to hear in order to get my dumb little one vote.
The founders thought that the american people would stay educated enough and well informed enough to dissuade all the types of things that we have been privy to over the last few years. They were wrong. They did not anticipate that the nation might actually become a nation of dimmy dum dums. Not only not well educated, but not really well socialized either.
I am not saying that we are a bunch of bad people. Not at all, Its just that the majority of us can't be trusted on the wall above the gate in the middle of the night.
One candidate "claimed" that he didn't "know anything" about the NDAA. Why would anyone in the country vote for someone who knows nothing about the constitution REALLY, but pretends to but is unwilling to weigh in in favor of the population of the untied states? He acts more like an enemy than a friend.
Paul seems to be the only one trying to keep the promise for us, and if there is no election fraud, then it would be true that almost no one cares about the constitution and so by default do not rate any protections granted. But they probably don't care. What seems to be important to them is that like mindless automatons, or possibly simple morons, they care more for the entertainment value of the ad hoc and bandwagon groups of fallacies that do nothing but yank the emotions around. We are more like volunteers than victims, collectively.
Maybe that's been a lesser goal pertinent to the larger picture that entire time. I don't know.
Possibly a vote for Paul is a vote for Obama by default. But it just seems like it makes no difference which party is in charge. We, meaning THEY, will keep us on the course of nursing on the nipple of this weird global plan, to the expense of us all. Only one person hints at the endemic problems and possible solutions.
How much more of it do you want?
If you knew that your life was at stake here, would you act differently?edit on 12-3-2012 by akalepos because: awkward
Hmmm... "untied states"? Was that a Freudian Slip or a reflection of how we are in relation to one another?edit on 12-3-2012 by akalepos because: (no reason given)