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Has Reality Set In for Paulites Yet? What Will You Do??

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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
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Case in point you support Ron Paul because you're a business owner and he would get rid of regulations.

Would still vote ron paul if you're a single mother with 2 kids working a minimum wage job?

Don't think so

and if you still would, then I think you would be suffering from a MAJOR case of stockholm syndrome.


Your damned right I would. More regulations are the last thing I need. It's hard enough as it is trying to build a business from dirt. I grew up in a trailer park. My family is what you would call white trash. I decided at an early age that I would not settle for that kind of life. I've worked my ass off ever since. I've held jobs since I was 14, I paid for my own clothes and school supplies all through high school. I even bought my family a pool because I wanted one and they couldn't afford it. So I went out and worked for it and bought it myself when I was 16. I refused to take no for an answer and I'm not afraid to make sacrifices for the life I want!

I became self employed immediately after high school. I am a mom. And I finally decided to beat all odds against me and started my business. I am the ONLY employee. I have one part time assistant. If it weren't for taxes I could afford to put her on full time as an employee and I love her so much I would love to pay her more than I can currently afford. My business is growing and I'm making sacrifices now to get it there. After all the hours I put into my job, guess what, I take home less than minimum wage!!! And then the government rapes me for 40% in taxes and penalizes me for being self employed on top of that!! But I keep on going anyway. I'm not going to let them strangle me out of this race no matter how hard they try to tear me down. I will be an example to my kids that they can achieve anything they dream.

And now that half my life is behind me, and I look at how for I've come and how long I have struggled, I WILL NOT feel sorry for anyone who makes excuses in their life about why they can't get ahead. If you wanted it bad enough, trust me, you can make it happen. But they don't, because it's easier to let the system take care of you. Well I've had enough of that. Go ahead and support socialism because a war is brewing. It's not the big corporations that fuel our economy, it's people like me, the small business owner, the mom and pop's, and we've had enough of this! Ron Paul is the only one who will reward us instead of trying to tear us down, and if you think that's a bad thing, then my friend it is YOU who is suffering from a MAJOR case of stockholm syndrome.




posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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REality?

Well I won't vote for anyone who would gladly just kill me. That includes anyone who thinks its OK to kill US citizens or torture others. That leaves out most of the DEM and REP candidates with the exception of RP. But if he doesn't get out of that club I'd say we can't really trust him either.

I do like his using his platform spreading the libertarian message as best he can. My own attempt to do that is here: Choose, Live Free Or Die (reitze's web-book).

If there's a libertarian candidate I'll vote for that ticket - or if not I might write in Gary Johnson - or just not pull any leavers.

Edit+: Per "So my question is, for the Paulites, IF RP takes the call as Romney or Santorum’s VP will you vote for the Republican ticket?? "
MY ANSWER IS NO WAY! That would only prove RP sold out worse than he had to being GOP.
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Obama is the only choice unless Ron Paul goes for an Independent ticket, which I think he could actually then become our first indy President.

But if you want to hold your nose and vote for the party that brought us 9/11, The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, un-ending war, torture, fear mongering and HOPEFULLY very soon a major reduction in women's right.... Yeah, that makes no sense to me, but hold your nose, and your mouth, long enough to kill the brain cells so that choice actually makes sense, and go for it.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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You seem to have this misconception about people that receive government assistance. Do you think that people who receive assistance are lazy? and just want to let the government take care of them? Because that's what I get from reading your post.

Ron Paul really fits the description of a Right wing libertarian populist, in that he's right wing on a number of specific social issues...he believes people should make individual decisions to remove themselves from positions where they are "victimized", without realizing the power dynamics at play.

He defends the right of workers to self-organize but balances that with the employers’ right to harass and intimidate those who try to organize a union. He tells people who need medical care but don’t have coverage to look for charitable institutions to help them.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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Someone who has never attempted to break the corporate chains, by running their own business will never understand what it takes. Been there myself, ran a two man construction business for years, then the real estate market crashed. No more business lol.

10-12 hour days, sometimes longer if we had to drive really far 7 days a week. Yeah I made good money while I was working. If we would have cut back more, we might have done even better. None of us saw the real estate bubble though, hindsight is 20/20 I guess.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
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You seem to have this misconception about people that receive government assistance. Do you think that people who receive assistance are lazy? and just want to let the government take care of them? Because that's what I get from reading your post.



47% of people do not pay taxes!!! 47%!!!!!! That is NOT ok! That is BAD! Half of all Americans? Your damned right I believe a huge amount of people raping the system are lazy and want the gov to take care of them!!!! You think that makes me bad, evil, cruel, or selfish? No, it makes me sane! Only an idiot would think that's ok!

If half of the people in this country really are too stupid to figure out how to survive without assistance, then I'm afraid we have a mental retardation epidemic sweeping this nation that has been seriously overlooked.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by akalepos
It is not a matter of my agreement or non agreement. If one can accept the notion of high level fraud in the first case, then it carries through to the second case.


That is a bit of trickery with logic you got going. But it all rests upon the notion that if fraud can be found at A, than fraud must be at B. The presumption is weak at best. It doesn't mean it isn't possible, but the probability that the fraud occurs at all levels diminishes greatly.

Simply put -- just because claims are make that fraud occurred at A, doesn't automatically presume that B is also fraudulent.


You have become caught up with that particular meme: if you don't like it, then just jump right up and change it.


This is a meme?


To you I say that if you have the millions required, I have the time and the will. Bring multiples of millions. Further, you don't appear to have much experience with small time local politics. That is simply another mental virus without merit.


So your mayor, of your small town (assuming it is a small town and not a large metropolis -- in which the parameters change) is spending millions upon millions to become elected? I grew up in a town with about 90,000 people and the mayor spend roughly $10,000 (mostly donations). Furthermore, elections to other positions typically do not cost that amount of money. The meme it seems, is that which you retain. That only money buys political office. While in some cases it may occur, it isn't a constant.


My statement is rhetorical. It means that IF all that fraud allegation "stuff" is true, THEN the process has been hijacked. That would imply prima facie, that neither you nor I nor anyone... is going to change it. Not if it has been truly hijacked.


But your earlier claim is that that fraud has occurred and occurred not only at A, but also at B.


If ATS is so "backwater", then why do you bother with this place? Finally, yes I have, but I'm not discussing it with you.


The backwater statement was in reference to the overall numbers of people participating to the actual population as a whole that has access to it. ATS doesn't boast numbers that say Facebook or Google does and if I were to walk down the street, I would have to find someone that is in a niche demographic that would even recognize what Abovetopsecret.com is.

As for the question have you done something about it and your reply -- good!


I see that you have small difficulties with the purpose and use of conditional postulates.
What an ironic statement!
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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Why the hell would a single mother making minimum wage think it was a good idea to have children? You can barely survive solo on minimum wage.... What ever happened to waiting until you can afford kids to have them?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Someone who has never attempted to break the corporate chains, by running their own business will never understand what it takes. Been there myself, ran a two man construction business for years, then the real estate market crashed. No more business lol.


I'm watching my father and my husband go through this. They are a two man opperation, trying to make it own their own. They are in construction and things are really bad. It's up to me right now to hold up my family. There are days when I think I will break down. Days when I'm afraid I'm working myself into an early grave. But what choice do I have? The last thing our country needs is yet another family on assistance. We will do whatever it takes. If our businesses fail, we will cut grass, dig ditches, what ever it takes. We are currently surviving on beans and rice because it's cheep and we are on a budget. We work hard, we loose sleep at night worrying about our future and the future of our businesses, while everyone we know sits back, relaxes and milks the system. They don't understand what's wrong with what they are doing. They don't understand that they will suck the system dry, and then no one will be left to carry them.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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I trust Ron Paul's judgement. If he chooses to be VP to the millionaire mormon then so be it. I cannot see RP being corrupted at any level, and I think he would give Mitt sound advice and I think Mitt would listen. Ron would be more involved than Joe....what HAS Biden done the last 3.5 years anyway?


Thank you!! I hoped there would be more people like you but I was wrong.

Look, I'm not a Romney fan either. However, if Romney does get the nomination I would prefer he has a guy like RP at his side for the very reasons you mentioned. 

It's a bit disturbing that almost all the Paulites here would immediately disown RP if he was VP rather than POTUS. I don't think ATS Paulites are a good reflection of the majority of his base. I think many with stick with him rather than jumping into Barry's arms. 



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Why the hell would a single mother making minimum wage think it was a good idea to have children? You can barely survive solo on minimum wage.... What ever happened to waiting until you can afford kids to have them?


This country is full of a bunch of people who seem to be clueless of the notion of personal responsibility. I have 3 sisters, all with kids. All unmarried. All had their kids at 17. The got themselves in that situation, but have an entitlement attitude. They think it is our responsibility to take care of them. I'm pretty much done with my family. I am so glad I got away and chose a different path for myself.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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11 flags and 7 pages of replies.....and this makes the front page of abovetopsecret.com? So just what are the "real" requirements to be sticked on the front page on this propaganda website?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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I trust Ron Paul's judgement. If he chooses to be VP to the millionaire mormon then so be it. I cannot see RP being corrupted at any level, and I think he would give Mitt sound advice and I think Mitt would listen. Ron would be more involved than Joe....what HAS Biden done the last 3.5 years anyway?


Thank you!! I hoped there would be more people like you but I was wrong.

Look, I'm not a Romney fan either. However, if Romney does get the nomination I would prefer he has a guy like RP at his side for the very reasons you mentioned.

It's a bit disturbing that almost all the Paulites here would immediately disown RP if he was VP rather than POTUS. I don't think ATS Paulites are a good reflection of the majority of his base. I think many with stick with him rather than jumping into Barry's arms.


I haven't read through every post in your thread here but is it true that RP supporters in this thread have stated they will disown RP is he decided to run with Romney? I would be great if you could quote them too.

Truth be told, Paul and Romney are friends, where as the other candidates don't really bother with each other, Romney made it his business to get to know Ron Paul and because of it both of their families have gotten together for social occasions. If RP became Romney's VP and somehow Romney froze hell over and beat Obama for the win, well, I couldn't think of a better person to be his, or any Presidents, right hand man.
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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I've already said numerous times, I completely trust RP and would follow him anywhere. I trust that he will make the right decision. I don't know who the others are that said those things but i think most of his supporters feel like we do.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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RP's Strategy is rather genius.

He's making sure his supporters aren't just siting back at home promising to vote for him when the time comes. He's having them replace the current GOP's on their county level. All of Romney's swagger can't buy loyalty, and he doesn't have enough money to pay-off the people who are pissed, and come from a family historically familiar with empty suit politics. There aren't as many dumb masses out there as we are led to believe. The problem is no-one explained to the average voter they need to become the political process themselves, not just vote in it.

Replace your party with you and your like minded friends, from the inside. How do you think the old-money politicians got there in the first place. It's legal for any citizen to become a county delegate, if they follow proper procedure.

The starter of this thread has missed/twist the point...No we won't give up...and if Romney wins the nomination, I'm suspecting RP will go Indy, because his people are in the right places to beat them (Obamney) when it comes down to the electorate vote. Especially in un-bound states. Go to dailypaul.com and look for the links on the delegate process learn how to become one, and their is a schooling video on how to use proper procedure in state-level/county level forums once you become part of the political process.

So, This strategy is sound, and the Obamney's only own the Media, not the Actual political process.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by juleol

Originally posted by cuervo

Originally posted by seabag
Has Reality Set In for Paulites Yet? What Will You Do??


Vote for Obama again. In a heart beat. GOP lost their chance to get some libs on their side when they threw their lot in with Mittens O'Bomney.

It is better to not vote at all then than voting for someone that is stripping your freedoms. You should just wake up to the FACT that the system is rigged and that there never really was any choice in first place. Having a choice between two parties is just a way to fool you into thinking you have anything to say.


I fully understand and agree. Simple sad truth is that, given the choice between turd sandwich and a turd hotdog, I'm going to choose the turd hotdog because it will go down more easily.

The simple fact that they are trying to shove an Obama clone down the GOP's throats is evidence to that. So I'm going to pick the one who at least aligns with my morals (more so, anyway).



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:13 PM
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I have one part time assistant. If it weren't for taxes I could afford to put her on full time as an employee


This makes absolutely no sense. You either don't know what you are talking about, or you are flat out lying.

There is only one factor that should make you decide if you should make that part time employee a full time employee...profit....not taxes.


After all the hours I put into my job, guess what, I take home less than minimum wage!!! And then the government rapes me for 40% in taxes and penalizes me for being self employed on top of that!!


Maybe you should hire an accountant...because what you say is pretty much impossible.

Or maybe you are just lying trying to make it up on the fly to sound like you know what you are talking about.

Haven't decided yet.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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I have one part time assistant. If it weren't for taxes I could afford to put her on full time as an employee


This makes absolutely no sense. You either don't know what you are talking about, or you are flat out lying.

There is only one factor that should make you decide if you should make that part time employee a full time employee...profit....not taxes.


After all the hours I put into my job, guess what, I take home less than minimum wage!!! And then the government rapes me for 40% in taxes and penalizes me for being self employed on top of that!!


Maybe you should hire an accountant...because what you say is pretty much impossible.

Or maybe you are just lying trying to make it up on the fly to sound like you know what you are talking about.

Haven't decided yet.


OMG. How dare you! I work my ass off! Yes, it is hard to make a profit these days, but I'm pulling most of the load myself and paying myself pennies so I can start building equity into my business. This is sacrifice. I wish I could promote her to full time now, but I can't. However, by next year, I will. And I do have an accountant. They do everything they can to help me keep what I can. I work side by side with them to trim as much of the fat the gov. takes from me. But you need to understand, they take my profits! I have to empty my account at the end of the year and reinvest it into my business in order to protect that money. You obviously have no idea what it actually means to run a business. This is why ignorance should never be allowed to vote. Ignorance is tearing this country apart!



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:28 PM
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OMG. How dare you! I work my ass off! Yes, it is hard to make a profit these days, but I'm pulling most of the load myself and paying myself pennies so I can start building equity into my business. This is sacrifice. I wish I could promote her to full time now, but I can't. However, by next year, I will. And I do have an accountant. They do everything they can to help me keep what I can. I work side by side with them to trim as much of the fat the gov. takes from me. But you need to understand, they take my profits! I have to empty my account at the end of the year and reinvest it into my business in order to protect that money. You obviously have no idea what it actually means to run a business. This is why ignorance should never be allowed to vote. Ignorance is tearing this country apart!


How dare I call out mis-information???

You aren't the only one that runs their own business...and I have to say...you're doing it wrong.

Your numbers don't add up, you can't both be bringing home under minimum wage and paying at a 40% tax level....unless your accountant is giving you really really bad advice and screwing you over....or you aren't telling the whole truth.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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OMG. How dare you! I work my ass off! Yes, it is hard to make a profit these days, but I'm pulling most of the load myself and paying myself pennies so I can start building equity into my business. This is sacrifice. I wish I could promote her to full time now, but I can't. However, by next year, I will. And I do have an accountant. They do everything they can to help me keep what I can. I work side by side with them to trim as much of the fat the gov. takes from me. But you need to understand, they take my profits! I have to empty my account at the end of the year and reinvest it into my business in order to protect that money. You obviously have no idea what it actually means to run a business. This is why ignorance should never be allowed to vote. Ignorance is tearing this country apart!


How dare I call out mis-information???

You aren't the only one that runs their own business...and I have to say...you're doing it wrong.

Your numbers don't add up, you can't both be bringing home under minimum wage and paying at a 40% tax level....unless your accountant is giving you really really bad advice and screwing you over....or you aren't telling the whole truth.


Yes, how dare you accuse me of lying.

I make less than minimum wage because I work an average of 80-90 hours a week for the salary. They don't give a # how much you make per hour, just how much you make per year.



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