That's a very interesting read but a lot to absorb. I think I might have to read it a few times to really grasp the ideas presented.
Dadashri: What is your name?
Questioner: My name is Chandulal.
Dadashri: Are you really Chandulal?
Dadashri: Chandulal is your name. Is Chandulal not your name? Are you yourself Chandulal or is your name Chandulal?
Questioner: It is my name.
Dadashri: Then who are you? If Chandulal is your name then who are you? Are you and your name not separate? If you are separate from your name, then who are you? Do you understand what I am trying to say? If you say, "These are my eye-glasses," then you and the glasses are separate, right? Similarly, do you not feel that you are separate from your name? In the same token there is nothing wrong with naming a shop ‘General Traders’. If we were to call out to the shop owner, "Hey! General Traders ...come here!” he would reply, "My name is Jayantilal, General Traders is the name of my shop". The owner, the shop and the merchandise inside the shop, are all separate entities. What do you think?
Questioner: That makes sense.
Dadashri: People insist, “No, I am Chandulal”. That means, ‘I am the owner of the shop and I am also the sign on the shop.’ ‘Chandulal’ is just a means for identification. From your very childhood, people kept calling you ‘Chandu’ and you have come to believe, ‘I am Chandu’. You believe this name to be you. In reality you are not that, but you insist that you are Chandulal because everyone tells you so. Since you do not know who you really are, you believe yourself to be the name that you have been given. This has had a very powerful psychological effect on you. This effect is so deeply ingrained within you, that you believe that you are Chandulal. This belief is wrong. As a result of this wrong belief, you have experienced countless lives ‘sleeping with your eyes open’.
WHO AM I?
Dadashri: Will you not have to investigate who you really are? How long can you go on being in the dark unaware of your Self? Do you not think it is ignorance to not investigate your true identity? Until you realize who you really are, everything proves to be wrong and incorrect.
Even before you purchased this watch, did you not inquire about its make, quality, price, warranty, etc.? Then, is it not ironic that you have not made inquires about your own Self yet? Who are you? You have no knowledge about your true identity, where you come from and where you are. You know none of these things and even without knowing the answer to this one vital question, Who am I?; you complicate your life further by actively participating in this relative world. In this state of ignorance you further complicate your life by getting married, having a family, etc, etc. This is how confusion and puzzles arise in the relative world.
Even when you fall asleep at night, you do so as Chandulal. All night long this wrong belief reinforces itself, becoming stronger and stronger. Only when you realize the answer to ‘Who am I?’ does your wrong belief stop. It is because of this wrong belief; that you have been wandering from one life to another. You do not know your true identity and furthermore you impress upon yourself the belief of that which you are not. You have imposed this wrong belief on your Real Self. Not only this, but you have accepted that 'I am Chandulal' and have behaved accordingly. This false accusation is a blunder. This blunder is the root cause of all suffering. This suffering is in the form of inner restlessness, misery and discontent. At the moment, you have so many worries because of your belief that ‘I am Chandulal’. This false imposition on the Self, is ignorance and brings forth suffering.
(2) BELIEFS: WRONG AND RIGHT
SO MANY WRONG BELIEFS
Dadashri: The belief that ‘I am Chandulal’, does not go, even in your sleep. And when you get married, people tell you, “You are this woman's husband.” So, you accept the role of a husband, and act like one. After that, through repetition, you keep reinforcing the belief of being a husband. Is anyone a husband forever? If you get a divorce will you still be her husband? All these wrong beliefs have become deeply ingrained within you. The first wrong belief is that 'I am Chandulal'. ‘I am this woman's husband’, is the second wrong belief. ‘I am a Hindu’, is the third wrong belief. ‘I am a lawyer’, is the fourth wrong belief. ‘I am this boy's father’, is the fifth wrong belief. ‘I am an uncle’, is the sixth wrong belief. ‘I am fair-skinned’, is the seventh wrong belief. ‘I am forty-five years old’, is the eighth wrong belief. ‘I am a businessman’, is also a wrong belief. If you say that “I am a taxpayer”, then that is yet, another wrong belief. How many such wrong beliefs do you have?
Questioner: Too many wrong beliefs.
Dadashri: Wherever you super-impose ‘I’, where ‘I’ does not belong, that is a wrong belief. You have to get rid of all these wrong beliefs. How can you be happy with so many wrong beliefs? Now tell me. What kinds of beliefs make a man happy?
Questioner: The person who does not have any beliefs, is happy.
Dadashri: No, one cannot live without beliefs. But what you need is the right belief.
Questioner: Is it possible to be without any beliefs?
Dadashri: Suppose we want to go from Los Angeles to San Francisco. Instead we take the road going to San Diego. Then do we not have to back track from San Diego to Los Angeles (our original place)? Likewise, it is important to keep this right belief in order to come back to our original place. Once you get rid of the wrong beliefs and keep the right belief for a while, you will arrive at your original place, after which there will no longer be a need to keep any beliefs. Then your work is done. Now, how will you get rid of all these wrong beliefs?
Questioner: I don't know. I need your guidance for that.
Originally posted by arpgme
When he asked, "who are you?" he could have said his mind....
He is not his name...
He is not his reputation...
And he is only a part of his body in his mind/brain...
detachment from the physical creates attachment to the spiritual
Attachment to the physical creates need for the physical, but attachment to the spiritual creates the need to help others
By the teachings of this post, the prayer is the more noble and beneficent aspect; while the efforts of assistance groups are maaya, and therefore lies and untruths.
I just cannot agree with that. Attachment to physical things has important. To discard and ignore that makes one dangerous, unethical, and immoral at some level. No matter how much they try to adhere to the Golden Rule.
Both of these facets are part of the "I/My" concept. All actions are driven by desire, or a want for something. There is no truly selfless and unconditional action which can be undertaken.
Even an attempt to detach from the ego is, at it's core, an ego-based action. The false belief that we need to be apart from ourselves is based on desire.
Also, the spiritual need to help others is still an impulse driven by maaya. No matter how pure and unconditional one may think they are, they are willingly hurting others, and are willingly producing the actions they take because of an ultimate, unbreakable, attachment to themselves, the "I/My."
For instance, one who detaches from their body is discarding all of Christian teachings willingly, meaning: based on ego. Jesus never taught anything about separing the self from the ego. In fact, he taught that the world belonged to man, and was ours to reign over. Therefore, practicing this spiritual path, requires having a desire to not practice the path taught by Jesus.
Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Im really suprised this thread hasnt been more popular, i think the OP did a grand job.
On to my point, i agree that I am not my body, however, as mentioned by a previous poster, i am having difficuly with the fact that the person i am , OR this entity i am who exists, is thinking and feeling the thinsg that i do because of the experiences that i have had,, so stripped of the personality traits due to experience, wouldnt the real me, the "soul"me be unrecognisible to myself, Hmm, thats wrong tho, that suggests a duality, Or maybe we take all our life experiences on with us, and it becomes part of who we are.
WHo is the real me? who was i before i became what i am at this moment.
Oh dear my brain is hurting, i dont usually go this deep in a post, so sorry if you all think its a load of b*****cks.
I need a drink..
These are the questions we all ask my dear...