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Are Conservatives and Republicans holding back the U.S?

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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by muse7
 


After reading this post of yours I can see you still have a lot of growing and learning to you.
Likely very young and idealistic,


Thats just it, isn't it.
Your suggesting ops needs to grow older, become cynical and corrupt, and then decide what type of system is best. I would say losing your idealism and acknolwedging corruption is the issue in the US

You will find, as ops correctly pointed out, that pretty much all of the happiest (prosperous, healthiest, etc) are very liberal countries...and we (the us conservatives) are suggesting the worst setups on the global scale of prosperity and the like is what we should be choosing once we get past our young idealistic desires.

I am not a fan of gun control, but wise gun laws should be implemented. otherwise, most of the liberal idealism is pretty fitting towards a push toward the future
What destroys much of its intent is corruption..transparency and bold laws truely opening up the insides of what is going on between washington and corporations that influence politics can put a big dent in that.


And now to the response to the thread
Are cons and reps holding back the US?
If I thought otherwise, I would not be liberal....but as I do think just that, then I would say yes..hense why I am a liberal.
Of course, that is my opinion, and a conservative will think the opposite..hense why they are conservative.

our team has better jerseys however




posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
In the race to the edge of the cliff in the sports-car , sit a liberal at the wheel and a conservative republican in the passenger seat. Suddenly the car stops at the edge of the cliff. The tires are smoking as the engine roars. looking down, the conservative republican has his foot on the brake, even as the liberal democrat is still stepping on the gas.

If you give people anything free, they will not work for it. They will suck the economy dry. and then complain for what you have, and then riot in the streets if you don't hand it over.

If people want something, go earn it. If they have it, remember to be compassionate to those who don't and help them out, but also teach them to make it on their own. Own a gun, stop a criminal who has a gun aimed at you. Unemployed ? Be willing to work for less till you can earn more.

Who would you rather be ? As for me, I'll be a conservative.





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Your example is pretty much the opposite of reality

in the drivers seat is a corporation, in the passengers seat is a conservative, and tied in the back trunk is a liberal
Both driver and passenger are stepping on the gas, the cliffs edge was 20 feet back, and we are simply flying down...the person tied in the back is however being blamed for gravity.


Give a corporation unregulated and uncontrolled power, while you dismantle any effectiveness of protection to the people and you quickly watch a country sink into corporate facism, while propping up the concept of slave labor.
Corporations will abuse a system for bottom line, destroy any and all competition or fairness in the market, export jobs to the lowest wage dictatorships on earth in order to save a penny, and aborb the wealth of nation, turning them into the defacto emperors of earth and all are enslaved to poverty.

as being demonstrated today...no fun little example of cars and cliffs needed..just turn the TV on and ask, why is this really happening...ignore the talking heads and ask the actual corporations (such as steve jobs whom clearly said the manufacturing jobs will not be coming back to the US...why would they..they got free slave labor from china and an incentive to outsource...no tariffs, yee-haw. corporatist's dream)



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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ownbestenemy: I have been doing some digging, but being at work its tricky to devote the attention. Here is some brief history on backscatters including who lobbies for who and some key congressment/senators involved.

Should be noted-a lot of it is fairly bipartison (part of what I was talking about with opportunistic Dems)

This is more of a brain dump/note set. My apologies if some things arent clear or are phrased odd.
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Michael Chertoff(Homeland Security head under Bush)-head of the Chertoff Group-creates body scanners. Companies that make Scanners-including L-3 ramped up lobbying to get scanners implemented.
Linda Daschle-former official at the FAA and wife of Tom Daschle is a paid lobbyist for L-3. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT-one of the old school R's like Huntsman)
did attempt to limit scanners but then Underwear Bomber struck and his bill died.

The TSA and FDA tagged backscatter machines as being a medical tool to avoid cancer related to radiation concerns.

Other Lobbyists:
Tom Blank (Former TSA Dep Admin)
Chad Wolf (assistance admin for policy at the TSA)
Kevin Patrick Kelly (Former aid to Barbara Mikulski, D-MD)
Al D'Amato (former Senator, R-NY)

Rapidscan hired Rep David Price (D-NC) and Trent Lott (R-MS) who was at the time Chair of Homeland Security Appropriations Sub-Com.
Others were recruited-most important of these is: Thad Cochram (R-MS), top republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee.
After Rapiscan was made-one month latter Trent Lott announced a 9.1 million dollar DoD contract to Rapiscan. As part of the stimulus package-
Rapiscan won another 173 mil contract for backscatter machines. After the "Underwear Bomber" happened, Napolitano

Attempts to fight currently:
Susan Collins (R, member of the Homeland Security Committee) is trying to force a health impact study through for body scanners.
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On the topic of "Holding us back"... I still say in a very generalized way-yes. There are definitely many republican politicians who are trying to get things going for the good of all. But, when the religious right political movement took primary power in the R party-things changed a lot.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
I didn't say to make gun ownership illegal, I simply proposed to make gun ownership a privilege and not a right.


"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." -2nd amendment to the Bill of Rights,

So, you think our 2nd amendment right should be a privilege? The only thing conservatives are holding us back from is totalitarianism by that logic.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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I would have to disagree with almost everything you said. To protect our 2nd amendment rights gun laws should not be restrictive, restrictive gun laws only lead to crime because criminals are willing to break the law to obtain them whereas law abiding citizens generally are not.

I don't think i could ever agree that government dependency can ever be a step in the right direction, the more absent we are of government in our lives the more free we are. I also don't think i could agree that giving the crooks in office more of our tax dollars is a good thing, most of us can't afford what we are being taxed now let alone more and also, where do most of our tax dollars currently go? I don't think we need to be giving any more pull or power to our already out of control power hungry leaders.

Decentralization of power, in my opinion, would be a step in the right direction, not more power to our oppressors.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have" -Thomas Jefferson,

Just my 2 cents,

Ramble on my friend.
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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Op, you are quite simply asking to get rid of some freedom, at least according to the ones we have on paper, and essentially give the government total control over the people. To take away liberty, and to give the government the power to oppress the people is exactly the opposite of why America was founded. I would suggest that what you seek to change America into already exists, by your own examples, and those places might better suit your worldview.

For many, America is the only place on the planet that exist to give people freedom and self government not found elsewhere. We are even having a hard time keeping the few freedoms we have left, and a harder time regaining freedoms diluted or lost.

The problems you identified would best be addressed if society were a bit more moral, ethical and people and businesses were allowed to be more prosperous without government intervention or extortion. It just easier for people to say our problem is the government not being more ____ or being too much ____. In reality, those are symptoms of societies moral and ethical problems.
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Republicans and CONservatives are fairy-tale-believing, war-lovers, who have ONLY the interests of THEMSELVES and the SUPER-wealthy in mind.


If what you claim is true, why is it that charitable contributions made by Conservatives always outnumber those made by self righteous Liberals?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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I think you should have simply titled this thread,
Are Liberals, Democrats, and Welfare Cheats holding back the U.S?,
It would have made a lot more sense.
edit on 12-3-2012 by Nite_wing because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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reply to post by SaturnFX
 


You forgot the corporation driving us headlong off a cliff has an eject button.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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We volunteer and actually get our hands dirty.
...is what I would say if I still believed in left/right slug fests.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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op is out of his mind. your opinions are not facts, and they are not based off of any shred of truth. pure liberal BS at its best.


The OP is smart and honest, and factual. America is being driven headlong towards third world status by the right and business, while many small, progressive countries are maintaining a high standard of living.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
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I'd say it's people like you and the right who rely on nothing but fear mongering and always demonizing socialist policies that are holding this country back.


We do not live in a socialist country, go to a socialist country if you think it's the way to the future but, with all due respect, socialism is not and will not be welcome in the USA. We don't have a government we can trust to spend our tax dollars accordingly, how are we going to trust them with MORE power?



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
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World's happiest countries


As far as virtually any metric of public wellbeing is concerned, America has been in the toilet for probably 15 years now. That is common knowledge to just about anyone with half a brain, I suspect. The main problem with conservatives is that they never allow logic to get in the way of their beliefs.

What most of you don't know, however, is that northern Europe's superior liveability doesn't have much to do with socialism at all. It has a lot more to do with lower population.
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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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Yes, conservatives absolutely are holding the US back. Without them, the US would be a stagnant socialist welfare state with few individual rights and little individual incentive for achievement or improvement. Unfortunately, both major political parties seem to be intent on taking us down that path, just one more quickly than the other.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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We do not live in a socialist country, go to a socialist country if you think it's the way to the future


No, we live in what used to be a successful Keynsian country, and is now becoming a third world corrupt toilet thanks to conservatives and "libertarians".



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Nite_wing
I think you should have simply titled this thread,
Are Liberals, Democrats, and Welfare Cheats holding back the U.S?,
It would have made a lot more sense.
edit on 12-3-2012 by Nite_wing because: (no reason given)


Oh that's right because Liberals want the economy to fail so that Republicans can
be elected once again and reinstate the policies that lead to this crash in the first place
, that makes so much sense.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by vor78
Yes, conservatives absolutely are holding the US back. Without them, the US would be a stagnant socialist welfare state with few individual rights and little individual incentive for achievement or improvement. Unfortunately, both major political parties seem to be intent on taking us down that path, just one more quickly than the other.


Is that right? Europe and China kicking are ass bucko.

Thanks



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 07:02 AM
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Yeah, China is a prime example of human rights over there. I hear they pay great wages, too. In fact, the biggest advantage that they have and the reason for their success is that their low wages give them an international trade advantage over Europe and the US.

Europe? Yeah, the EU's 10.7% unemployment really just kicks ass, doesn't it? $8-10/gallon gas kicks ass, too, and so does that whole debt crisis they have going on. But don't worry, at the rate we're going, the US will be joining them soon enough.


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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by CB328



We do not live in a socialist country, go to a socialist country if you think it's the way to the future


No, we live in what used to be a successful Keynsian country, and is now becoming a third world corrupt toilet thanks to conservatives and "libertarians".


Libertarians were the people who founded your country. These days, America has undergone something of a tragic inversion. The fascists have become mainstream, and it's the Libertarians who are considered fringe. There's something horribly wrong with that picture.


The amusing irony associated with Keynesian economics, is that they're also actually considered hybrid socialism by the Austrian school, as well; which is deeply amusing when you consider what the attitude of the average American conservative is towards socialism.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Republicans and CONservatives are fairy-tale-believing, war-lovers, who have ONLY the interests of THEMSELVES and the SUPER-wealthy in mind.

Farly-tale believers who love war = DANGEROUS PEOPLE to be in positions of power!!

At the same time, they take everything from middle-class Americans to give to the upper-class scum who do not need any more. Everything that they do involves screwing our country, our jobs, and our sons and daughters which they love using as PAWNS to fight their constant war that bring huge PROFITS for their super-wealthy cronies who are in the war business.

And YES, Obama has us involved in quite a handful of wars
since being President, but if a CONservative republican was in office right now, we would STILL be in Iraq, and also would have already LEVELED Iran and probably a couple more countries by now just for their silly "chosen people" of Israel whom they worship all because of a SILLY fictional man-made, man-inspired book originally written in... HEBREW. "Chosen people" says THEY, not "God".

To be fair though, I will certainly admit that the Republicans are 100% CORRECT when it comes to their PRO-gun stance, and being against illegal-immigration.

Otherwise, not only do they hold this country back, but more important: THEY ARE DANGEROUS!!!!!!

edit on 11-3-2012 by HangTheTraitors because: (no reason given)


Glad you mentioned Obama! The Obama that passed the PATRIOT act again, along with ALL of Congress.

The Obama that bails out corporations left and right.

The Obama that keeps poor people trapped in welfare.

The Obama that keeps us in perpetual wars.

The Obama that keeps drug users in prison.

The Obama that assassinates Americans without said American enjoying the benefits of 5th Amendment protections.

The Obama that continues to take more from you and gives to them.

The Obama that supplied guns to drug runners so that he could keep the fictitious War on Minorities...er...I mean...War on Drugs.

All with the blessing of the liberal/progressive Democrats.\

But the conservatives and Republicans are holding back the U.S. Sound logic you have there.

/TOA



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