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Priest Warns Obama: Better Knock the Catholic Church Out NOW

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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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okay...so do you also have a problem with the taxpayers footing the bill for other health care???

ya know....
blood tests, colonoscopies, whatever....
if not, then well, I will go back to my original point..


YES. It’s not the responsibility of the taxpayer (government) to provide for your health. Those who have paid into the current Medicare system should be covered but I think we need to switch to a private, market-based system with government regulation. I also don’t have a problem with Medicaid for people who struggle to take care of themselves, though this system also needs to be privatized and modernized to make it more efficient.



It's unhealthy for a women to pop babies out one after another, and quite frankly, the christian religion seems want to convince her that god will condemn her if she ever says no to her husband...
and, I will expand on that point some....



I can’t speak to that…I’m not a spokesperson for Christianity.




there's women out there who are on meds that quite frankly, will do a great deal of damage....
like it or not, birth control is just as viable medically as is that colonoscopies, those blood tests, exrays, ect...
and well, the pill is the most dependable option out there outside of a tubal, which well, costs a heck of alot of money...
don't want your insurance or tax money covering that young women's birth controll....fine, I want out of having to pay for you ailments either!!!


I’m not saying people shouldn’t have everything the need. I’m saying that TAXPAYERS shouldn’t be footing the bill. Get a JOB, buy INSURANCE and pay your own bills like the majority of Americans. What’s wrong with personal responsibility??



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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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I AM PRO CHOICE, stick that in your pipe and smoke it, I am 100% pro choice & right wingers can bow down and well.. you get the idea, I stand against right wingers, every last one of them, others stand against them too like ANONYMOUS. Which I fully support everything they've done & wikileaks too. Never too late to stand your ground - Revolution begins In you - In me - Revolution! Set yourself free Who are they to tell you what to do?
The stage is not set, the road is not chosen Your fate not preordained They are losing control - every step of your way.


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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Thats just it. You hit the nail on the head.

Personal responsibility. People tend to forget that being a citizen also requires that you temper personal pleasure with responibility. Like I have posted prior, there are results for putting your thing in someone elses thing (or vise versa), good and bad. Unwanted pregnancy (Your fault) STDs (Your fault) Getting off (Your fault).

Its all the same. For instance, street racing is fun, you can make money, you can go fast, but you can also get arrested, or die in a fiery crash. There are results for any action like this.

I would never expect the gov't to provide me with a fast car to race in....why should I ask for something else for my personal pleasure that may result in harm to me or others?

Getting into issues of rape and so on for the abortion thing...well, thats just a testement to the poor upbringing and social cohersion of our civilization.

The Catholic church (as well as all Judeo-Christian assemblys) abbhor rape. Any groups that say otherwise are an abomination.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by IronArm
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Thats just it. You hit the nail on the head.


Or - - you can look beyond the immediate right now ME ME ME - - and see the bigger picture.

I support Free Government supported Everything for prevention of any more unwanted and or uncared for children.

No one should have a child they are not ready for or in a position to raise and provide for.

I support Any and Every government supported incentive to prevent that.

The cost is prohibitive - - - compared to the cost of providing for living children who become the "true victims" of the system.

Unless we say - - - "who cares about the children" - - who didn't ask to be born - - to parents that are not able for various reasons to actually raise them into responsible adults.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Monger
The Catholic church is a sick joke. I was christened Catholic, and around age 6 our parish priest came to the door to have a one-on-one chat what my father.

A little background information - my father was molested by a priest as a child. A lot of Catholic apologists will tell you that these things happen very rarely. That's simply not the case, it happens more often than anybody cares to remember. That's why the bishops and the various popes over the years have gone to such lengths to cover the issue up.

Anyhow, this priest asked my father if he could have some (as my father put it) 'special alone time' with my brother and I to discuss Catholisicm. My father gave the priest an empathic 'No,' but the priest insisted. So my father did what anybody else who has suffered abuse at the hands of the Catholic church would have done - he gave the priest a black eye for his effort and kicked him out of the house.

We never went to a Catholic church again.

Just a couple of years ago this priest was arrested at an airport, off a return flight from Rome with a laptop full of images of naked children.

Turns out, he had been caught out molesting children in the past, the Vatican payed hush money to the families involved and simply moved the priest. I think he's currently standing trial for the child porn.

The Vatican did everything in its power to PROTECT and HIDE this child molestor.



"Anyhow"....

Your story personal story sounds made up, it's very general, sounds far from authentic. Important, if this is true, post the name of the priest. Everyone knows of the priest who was caught with child porn on his laptop at the airport. You condemn all of Catholicism. Your loss, it is the true faith.

Everyone is capable of sin, you lumping all bishops and priests, the Holy Father into one group and calling them evil is wrong.

And Annee who is not Catholic is incorrect, the priest scandal is homosexual. There is another recent homosexual scandal, Penn State. People hypocritically defend sodomy and attack the Church. Libs love the homosexual agenda. The priest scandal is one fruit of it. And important, a fact, Satan is out to destroy the priesthood, why, it is the greatest means to God's grace.

Forgive, if it's true what you said happened. Unforgiveness brings illness
and so sad, you have no peace of mind.

Remember, Judas was with Our Lord 3 years, he was evil. It is the
same for some people in all walks of life...to this day.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by colbe


And Annee who is not Catholic is incorrect, the priest scandal is homosexual.


Do some actual factual research.

Instead of giving your Jesus opinion.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by colbe


And Annee who is not Catholic is incorrect, the priest scandal is homosexual.


Do some actual factual research.

Instead of giving your Jesus opinion.


Your one sentence doesn't cut it, the research has been done. So obvious, do you think leftist libs want to call the priest scandal homosexual? No.

This is the truth and I hope a help.

1. God wants us all to believe the same

2. Jesus established one Church because there is one faith.

3. God has always named a leader, His way and our fallen a nature, two of the reasons. The Holy Father and all the Popes before Him were given
a special authority to keep the Church grounded in the Truth. The Pope
isn't perfect but on faith and morals, He can't error.

4.The Bible is a Catholic book, the Remnant is Roman Catholic.

5. Our Lord is coming soon as the Good Shepherd to gather all of us together, you will have to give your "yes", me too, so will every soul on the earth, "yes" or "no" this gift to happen is His love, we will all be shown the Truth personally.


just remember, and trust God can do this....


colbe



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by colbe


And Annee who is not Catholic is incorrect, the priest scandal is homosexual.


Do some actual factual research.

Instead of giving your Jesus opinion.


Your one sentence doesn't cut it, the research has been done. So obvious, do you think leftist libs want to call the priest scandal homosexual? No.


Your opinions are Jesus biased. And just opinions.

Oh Gawd - - save me from ridiculous.

A Pedophile is a Pedophile. They are not Left or Right - - Hetero or Homo.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by colbe


And Annee who is not Catholic is incorrect, the priest scandal is homosexual.


Do some actual factual research.

Instead of giving your Jesus opinion.


Your one sentence doesn't cut it, the research has been done. So obvious, do you think leftist libs want to call the priest scandal homosexual? No.


Your opinions are Jesus biased. And just opinions.

Oh XXX - - save me from ridiculous.

A Pedophile is a Pedophile. They are not Left or Right - - Hetero or Homo.


Your pride, not going to put up the list I shared are you?

There is a difference between a pedophile and a homosexual.

No left, no right,....that's wrong.

Just remember our conversations...at the Great Warning, okay?



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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Try FACTS


Homosexuality and Pedophilia: The False Link


Pedophilia can be viewed as a kind of sexual fetish, wherein the person requires the mental image of a child--not necessarily a flesh-and-blood child--to achieve sexual gratification. Rarely does a pedophile experience sexual desire for adults of either gender. They usually don't identify as homosexual-the majority identify as heterosexual, even those who abuse children of the same gender They are sexually aroused by youth, not by gender. www.psychologytoday.com...



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by colbe
Satan believes in the power of the priesthood.


Indeed. The two groups most in the know are Catholics and Satanists. They both see the same truth, but fight for the two sides.

Unfortunately, this is lost on nearly all of the ATS community.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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You're a liar or deluded, or both.

The pope can't make an error? I would call bailing out men that have sex with children and attempting to or actually paying off the families would be considered one.

If your sick god approves then hail satan.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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we can argue all day as to what rights the constitution extends to whom and to which branch of gov't...
but, there is one thing I am pretty sure it doesn't give the gov't the right to do, and that is decide who should live and who should die!!

if just one women who it is known will have a difficult delivery and risk death happens to become pregnant because of a financial need to cover the birth control, which the gov't refused to help her with.....after taking money from her family income to aide another....not so serious, not so life threatening health problems....
well, isn't that what the gov't has done, decided that this person over here, well, they deserve to have that wart removed from their hand, even though it is doing no harm there, but it was it was better that this person risk death than the gov't help her and provide some assistance with the birth control???

like I've said before on these threads, the only reason why I am able to walk is because a state senator took up my cause and began making phone calls while I was pretty much dysfunctional at home with a splint on my broken ankle! no, not everyone in this country who genuinely needs healthcare is able to obtain it! the gov't is already pretty selective as to who they want to help, and who they don't, and thus, they are already deciding as to who should live and who should die!!!
don't care if it's birth control, or anything else....if they truly need the help, either help them, or quite taking their money from them to help the chosen few you find worthy!

the mandate that goes into next year?? well, that will require everyone to have some for or another of healthcare. so they are gonna be forcing already strapped families to become more strapped as they pay for something that many will find pretty much useless, since they don't have an extra thousand or two..or three, on top of that insurance premium for the deductible. and now, some want to start eliminating certain types of healthcare that should be in it?? well, maybe if they didn't have to spend a few extra hundred dollars or so on the health insurance...they'd have a little extra money for the birth control, or some over the counter cough medicine, or whatever they need....

by the way, I have health insurance, I have a job, but, I still occasionally skip meals to make sure the rest of the family has food!!! hubby doesn't have insurance...and guess what...if I were to have to add him to mine...I would probably end up owing my boss money the half of year where we are slow and only working part time....
so, well, isn't the gov't telling me that it's better to starve myself and pitch into some insurance pool which even after insurance, we really can't afford the healthcare.....and since, well, I'm not using the insurance most years enough to even recoup the money I am putting in, well, isn't that money basically being used to provide healthcare for others, and top notch salaries for a few???
the gov't either needs to get completely out of healthcare, or find a better way of insuring that everyone can actually afford the care they need...
otherwise, they are picking and choosing who is deserving of life, and who isn't!!!

by the way, also heard some baptist preacher on tv saying that if hubby didn't want little wifey working then little wifey shouldn't be working....
so, you "get a job" isn't a valid argument here either! it's not a decision for the women to make supposedly, according to most church doctrines at least.
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 05:23 AM
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ya, those witch burnings.....the inquisition, well, okay, that was all god's plan, and he wanted innocent god fearing people burned at the stake...

okay....

just got to ask here...
who is your God....
because this doesn't describe mine!!!



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by AntoniusBlock

Originally posted by colbe
Satan believes in the power of the priesthood.


Indeed. The two groups most in the know are Catholics and Satanists. They both see the same truth, but fight for the two sides.

Unfortunately, this is lost on nearly all of the ATS community.


Antonius,

Truly....

Satanist's "black Masses" and desecration of the Eucharist, stealing
consecrated hosts is lost to them.

I bet I've said twenty times here at ATS, it is prophesied, the anti-Christ
is going to abolish the Eucharist and it's not understood.

How is that? If it's not true!!!!


God bless you Antonius,


colbe



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by IronArm
reply to post by seabag
 


Thats just it. You hit the nail on the head.


Or - - you can look beyond the immediate right now ME ME ME - - and see the bigger picture.

I support Free Government supported Everything for prevention of any more unwanted and or uncared for children.

No one should have a child they are not ready for or in a position to raise and provide for.

I support Any and Every government supported incentive to prevent that.

The cost is prohibitive - - - compared to the cost of providing for living children who become the "true victims" of the system.

Unless we say - - - "who cares about the children" - - who didn't ask to be born - - to parents that are not able for various reasons to actually raise them into responsible adults.



Or don't have sex unless you are prepared to pay for the consequenses of your actions. You failed to see the point of my post. Being responsible would entail abstenince in lu of the lack of ability to raise a child. Pay the time for the crime, as it were.

If you can't raise a child, don't pursue the actions that result in needing to do so.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by IronArm
Or don't have sex unless you are prepared to pay for the consequenses of your actions. You failed to see the point of my post. Being responsible would entail abstenince in lu of the lack of ability to raise a child. Pay the time for the crime, as it were.

If you can't raise a child, don't pursue the actions that result in needing to do so.


No I did not fail to see the point of your post.

Pay the time for the crime? Seriously?

Are you willing to take Male contraceptive pills? (or support male's taking contraceptive pills?)

Are you willing to support Mandatory Paternal DNA testing?

"Sorry kid - - can't help you. Oh! You're hungry? Too bad. Your parents are human - they are naturally born sexual beings - they didn't abstain - - - guess you have to pay for that".
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by IronArm
Or don't have sex unless you are prepared to pay for the consequenses of your actions. You failed to see the point of my post. Being responsible would entail abstenince in lu of the lack of ability to raise a child. Pay the time for the crime, as it were.

If you can't raise a child, don't pursue the actions that result in needing to do so.


No I did not fail to see the point of your post.

Pay the time for the crime? Seriously?

Are you willing to take Male contraceptive pills? (or support male's taking contraceptive pills?)

Are you willing to support Mandatory Paternal DNA testing?

"Sorry kid - - can't help you. Oh! You're hungry? Too bad. Your parents are human - they are naturally born sexual beings - they didn't abstain - - - guess you have to pay for that".
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I had a child illigitimately, and yes. I was not prepared, but that is the point. I changed my life from focusing on myself to raising my child properly. Its all about responsibility. I'm having another child soon, this time with my wife. I know that tab a into slot b will result in one addition. Are people that pathetic that they cannot realize that having sex can and/or will result in something, negative or positive? If civilization would bear enough intelligence to see the obviousness of this, we wouldn't have to worry about orphans, teenage pregnancies, AIDS, Herpies, and so forth. I made the desision to have sex, knowing full well what could happen, and I had to do what was nessesary to facilitate my child and his life. Evaluate risk, and wager your life on it. Quite simple really.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by IronArm
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Thats just it. You hit the nail on the head.


Or - - you can look beyond the immediate right now ME ME ME - - and see the bigger picture.

I support Free Government supported Everything for prevention of any more unwanted and or uncared for children.


Perfect! The government should just give away OCPs. Now the Catholic Church doesn't have to be forced into your opinions and beliefs. I think this is a good compromise.



No one should have a child they are not ready for or in a position to raise and provide for.


That means nobody would have children. Who is ever ready to have a child? Its a lifestyle change once you have a baby. Anyone can provide for their children if they really wanted to, single moms with multiple jobs are the greatest parents of all.




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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by IronArm
I made the desision to have sex, knowing full well what could happen, and I had to do what was nessesary to facilitate my child and his life. Evaluate risk, and wager your life on it. Quite simple really.


Well great. My daughter did the same thing. Abstinence fails - - because humans are a natural born sexual species.

My daughter took the responsibility seriously - as did you.

How does that help the unwanted/uncared for children who get recycled through a "generational culture" of latchkey kids and irresponsible parenting?

I support 100% any and all ways to prevent adding more kids to this "generational culture". Hopefully the government can also encourage production and use of male contraceptives.



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