Priest Warns Obama: Better Knock the Catholic Church Out NOW

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So... Am I now justified to make a personal attack on your posts as sick, and pathetic because you have demonstrated the exact same attitude towards your own fears. Forest getting hard to see for the trees?

Personal bias is the hardest to see. I try to make a policy of not BSing myself. In case you still haven't taken the time to know what you are talking about. I AM NOT RELIGIOUS, duh. I am simply fair minded, and observant.

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock

Originally posted by adigregorio
You know, at first I was on the Catholics' side.

Then, well then I remembered that those same priests like to touch little boys...

Now, well now I don't really care what happens. I am still "kinda" on their side, but I want to see karma in action. Sorry, but I am human.

The minority of pedophile priests are not at issue here. In fact, the priests who have been adamant about retaining orthodoxy and fighting for traditional Catholicism are the least likely to have committed these disgusting acts. It's the loopy, liberal priests who want to be everyone's friend who have been the culprits. They joined seminary not out of devotion and piety, but because the celibate lifestyle seemed a good choice for closeted homosexuals, and the trust of the laymen gave them easy access to children.

These rotten priests have preyed on the Church and used Her for their wickedness.

We Catholics who care about abortion are the first to say that these pedophile scum should be served total justice for their crimes.

My point is simply, do not condemn the Church or Her near 1 billion members due to these monsters.

edit on 13-3-2012 by AntoniusBlock because: (no reason given)

It's 1% of priests accused, not all of them are guilty and disbelievers, anti-Catholics never stop harping about the scandal as they talk out two sides of their mouths.

The scandal is homosexual not Pedophile. Leftists praise the "act", they try to make it something good instead of an abomination. Sodomy is everywhere thanks to their agenda. A-okay in the military service now, can you imagine, marriage between two men, two woman! Made a law in some states. The perversity of sodomites, there's a man-boy magazine. It's written in the Gospel, unrepentant sodomites are in Hell. Jude 5-7 is one reference.

Satan believes in the power of the priesthood.

Oh my Jesus.

First, the Catholic Church is dumb and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops can seriously shut their mouths. My dad and I are leaving the church because of it. Neither of us have stopped believing in God - we have just simply gotten to the realization that the Catholic Church is not exhibiting God through these actions. Really, Jesus came down and said "love the poor, love your enemy, pray for those who persecute you" and the Church insists on going after contraception?? Where oh where in the Bible did Jesus say, "If you prevent the natural process of conception in any form you are EVIL and oh yeah I don't care about babies except for when they are in the womb. Let's not have healthcare for everyone but let's have lots and lots of babies so that there will be a bunch of unsupported orphans wandering the streets and joining gangs." Oh right, Jesus did not say that. Jesus would have been a supporter of socialized medicine and all you conservatives know it - you just won't admit it. And Jesus would NOT have been a supporter of having millions of unsupported babies wandering about because contraception is illegal.

Second, this guy's logic is flat out wrong. Planned Parenthood is a valuable organization because it PREVENTS abortions! It educates and empowers men and women to take control of their own sexual lives rather than live in ambiguity, never understanding their own bodies. You're NEVER going to stop people having sex, but you can stop innocent babies from dealing with the pain of living with poor, uneducated parents - by preventing that pregnancy in the first place. Furthermore, if there is no pregnancy, there can be no abortion. It comes down to this: if we really want to stop abortion, we have to choose the option that prevents the most abortions. When abortion is legal, regulated, and there is adequate education, is there really more abortion than when abortion is legal and abstinence only sex programs are perpetrated? Think about it. I am pro-choice because I am pro-life.

Third, this thread has devolved into discussions of pedophilia in the Catholic Church. Not all priests are pedophiles. I have some extremely good friends who are priests and I take serious offense at that comment. Yes, the Vatican has done some messed up things in terms of pedophiles, but that is the VATICAN - bishops, cardinals, popes. Your run-of-the-mill priest is very unlikely to be a pedophile, in fact, probably just as likely as any other male with authority in your community. Your dad, for instance, or you, or your pastor, or anyone else. I take serious offense to stupidity, and the "all priests are pedophiles" argument is pure stupidity.

It comes down to this: none of this thread is at all logical. If we're pro-life, let's choose the option that saves the most lives. If we're going to participate on ATS, let's deny ignorance and start thinking rationally about issues.

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I am pro-choice because I am pro-life

I've heard it all now.

It comes down to this: none of this thread is at all logical. If we're pro-life, let's choose the option that saves the most lives. If we're going to participate on ATS, let's deny ignorance and start thinking rationally about issues.

How many lives have condoms and abortion actually saved?

Just curious...

seabag,

I like your posts, the last too especially, they're witty even with such a serious subject.

This relates to the thread subject sort of....

I get upset thinking of the loss of souls. One quote to remind everyone is fine don't you think?

We all belong to Christ. Just believe this now, turn away from the secular. Think of Heaven. I spent most of my adult life far from Our Lord. I was a major liberal!

You don't belong to the world, you are precious, you belong to Jesus. Start praying, personally speaking to Jesus every day from now on... Pray the Our Father, most everyone knows it...


"When Groucho Marx announced that he'd never belong to a club that would have someone like himself as a member, did it ever occur to him that he was describing membership in the Body of Christ? The only club in the world where the standard of membership is so loose that anyone with a heartbeat is free to join. What was Christ thinking? Did he not foresee that in launching that particular warhead all of the people in his hometown synagogue would mobilize against him? Of course he did. Why else is the prophet without honor unless it be in his native place? The reason why the people of Nazareth reject their neighbor Jesus is because the universality of his mission confounded their expectation that the Messiah would save only them. Yet Christ came to save both Jew and Gentile, to search out the least and the lost everywhere"...

check out Daily Thought at...

www.jnorthrop.com...

Under Senate Bill 307, men taking the drugs would continue to be tested for heart problems, receive counseling about possible side effects and receive information about “pursuing celibacy as a viable lifestyle choice.”

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Me thinks the conservative right has ticked off a few women??? they're talking about viagra here....
and well, they'd also have to get a notarized affidavit signed by a sexual partner affirming impotency...
just thought it too humorous not to introduce here!!!

imagine that, a man having to go to his wife for a permission note!!! such an idea probably would have the religious right in an uproar...
doubt if it will pass though, since the gov't is pretty much male dominated.

as far as I know, I still haven't gotten any answer to a point I made awhile back...so, I'll make it again...
ain't been in a church yet that hasn't taught the obedience lesson to the women of the congregation...
so, well, seems to me that the wives shouldn't be telling their husbands no when it comes to sex....
so, well, according to their beliefs, how can they be telling her now to stop having sex....they've taken that power from her and given it to the males.......or at least tried danged hard to!!!

It's not healthy for a woman to pop babies out one after the other!!!! birth control, like it or not, is a health as credible as any other health issue out there!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Binder
However the common humanity advanced by the "religious" in the past is the basis upon which your right to have that freedom exists. Not religious extremists, but true enlightened spiritual individuals of all religions, and backgrounds.

Really trying to hold on to your religion - aren't you? I'm not interested.

Our founding fathers were mostly Deists - Agnostics - and maybe at least one Atheist. Christan values - doesn't have any special meaning. Any Ethical person - including Atheists understand "treat others as you wish to be treated".

. . . . and of course - - you had to throw in the KGB murdering Atheists.

You are on a personal rant.

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Any employee of a corporate business - - - should not be forced to abide by any religious belief.

Employees were not hired because of their religious belief - - which is illegal. So if its illegal to hire only Catholics - - - why is it OK for that corporate business to force employees to adhere to Catholic belief?

Someone had a weak spot for religion when they allowed this to be OK. It is NOT OK.

Obama came up with the right compromise. Catholics need to shut up now.

Annee, why do you assume that 'Religion' = Catholic only? Do you not think other faiths whether Christian based or not have no right of opinion on contemporay issues? I'm by no means suggesting those opinions should be a law (although thou shalt not kill seems to ring a bell), but that doesn't mean you should have the right to silence that opinion.

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock

Originally posted by adigregorio
You know, at first I was on the Catholics' side.

Then, well then I remembered that those same priests like to touch little boys...

Now, well now I don't really care what happens. I am still "kinda" on their side, but I want to see karma in action. Sorry, but I am human.

The minority of pedophile priests are not at issue here.

Nope. But the pope who CONDONES these actions is! The church that HIDES and PROTECTS these people, is!

You can not cry foul about one law, and hide from another. Hypocricy, tastes great!

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
In fact, the priests who have been adamant about retaining orthodoxy and fighting for traditional Catholicism are the least likely to have committed these disgusting acts. It's the loopy, liberal priests who want to be everyone's friend who have been the culprits. They joined seminary not out of devotion and piety, but because the celibate lifestyle seemed a good choice for closeted homosexuals, and the trust of the laymen gave them easy access to children.

Again, does the pope oust these touchers of boys? Or, does the pope hide them? Does the pope move them around, to protect them from the law? And now, are they getting upset at this law? Why not just hide from it...oh wait...

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
These rotten priests have preyed on the Church and used Her for their wickedness.

And the rotten Church has condoned, and hidden the "wicked" priestS. If something begats wickedness, is it not wicked?

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
We Catholics who care about abortion are the first to say that these pedophile scum should be served total justice for their crimes.

Then rally behind your pope, have him spit fire and brimstone at those priestS. I mean they are spitting at these other laws, all is fair right? (Nope.)

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
My point is simply, do not condemn the Church or Her near 1 billion members due to these monsters.

Quit hiding behind the touchers of boys, and I will quit pointing out where you are standing.

If the church wants to follow the law, it needs to follow ALL of the laws.

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sorry to say, nope, i googled it.

reply to post by dawnstar

It's not healthy for a woman to pop babies out one after the other!!!! birth control, like it or not, is a health as credible as any other health issue out there!

I don't have a problem with using contraception (condom, hysterectomy, vasectomy) but after conception it is no longer "birth control" it's murder IMO. 

I certainly don't believe taxpayers should foot the bill for any of these services (by way of Obamacare) nor should religious-based hospitals be forced to provide any service that is contradictory to it's teaching. 

I don't believe they should have to give up their tax exempt status over this because abortion is not the basis for the exemption.  The federal government has NO RIGHT to dictate what services a religious hospital or any other business provides. 

Where is this power granted? Show me...

Originally posted by something wicked
Annee, why do you assume that 'Religion' = Catholic only? Do you not think other faiths whether Christian based or not have no right of opinion on contemporay issues?

I don't. Most of my posts refer to Religion/Religious - - or God believers.

This subject specifies Catholic - - which is why in some sentences I specify Catholic.

I was raised Christian - - I have the right to have an opinion on Christianity.

I do not comment about Islam (other then grouped in religion/religious) because I have no knowledge of it. Many Christians slam Islam - - do you think that is OK?

Originally posted by colbe
The scandal is homosexual not Pedophile.

That is incorrect.

Pedophiles are Pedophiles - - their victims are by availability - - not gender.

Science puts Pedophiles in their own sexual category. They are neither Heterosexual or Homosexual.

Committing a same gender sexual act does not make a Pedophile a homosexual - - a Pedophile is a Pedophile.

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In summary, Annee wishes that all referance, affiliation, or co-relation to anything Judeo-Christian is offensive.

Thank you.

Originally posted by IronArm
reply to post by Annee

 

In summary, Annee wishes that all referance, affiliation, or co-relation to anything Judeo-Christian is offensive.

Thank you.

Please provide "factual" posts from me that supports your statement.

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i dont have a problem with his commandment. i have a problem with anybody, including god, commanding anything. if we were given free will than i dont think we should be oppressed in using it. i think that after 2000 years of this religious nonsense that we would have gotten something right by now. every religion is still hard at work either defending, their religion, attacking anothers, or cramming it down everybodies throats. a true spiritual person is not concerned for others in the way religious people are. a spiritual person sees it as a lesson we all must learn individually. although help and guidance is accepted. a religious person tells you the guidelines and rules you must follow to be....saved. you and only you can save yourself. you are 100% responsible for each and every thought or action you take. not god. not demons, and not angels. they can merely suggest. i believe in being the best person i can be at all times, not following a set of manmade rules. if god was so full of love(this god, not creation) he wouldnt command anything and wouldnt contradict so much. love does not equal oppression and destruction of personal growth. if i told a catholic "god in your understanding does not exist." they would immediately get offended and defensive. if a religious person tells me, "youre wrong, my god exists and you are a lost soul who is probably going to hell for that.". i would just smile and say, "thank you for your opinion.". i dont need a religion to tell me anything. i have history books and some pretty nice sites to learn what really went on. AND THAT'S MY SAY.

The Catholic church is a sick joke. I was christened Catholic, and around age 6 our parish priest came to the door to have a one-on-one chat what my father.

A little background information - my father was molested by a priest as a child. A lot of Catholic apologists will tell you that these things happen very rarely. That's simply not the case, it happens more often than anybody cares to remember. Thats why the bishops and the various popes over the years have gone to such lengths to cover the issue up.

Anyhow, this priest asked my father if he could have some (as my father put it) 'special alone time' with my brother and I to discuss Catholisicm. My father gave the priest an empathic 'No,' but the priest insisted. So my father did what anybody else who has suffered abuse at the hands of the Catholic church would have done - he gave the priest a black eye for his effort and kicked him out of the house.

We never went to a Catholic church again.

Just a couple of years ago this priest was arrested at an airport, off a return flight from Rome with a laptop full of images of naked children.

Turns out, he had been caught out molesting children in the past, the Vatican payed hush money to the families involved and simply moved the priest. I think he's currently standing trial for the child porn.

The Vatican did everything in its power to PROTECT and HIDE this child molestor.

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I'm very glad you were able to avoid such an horrible and life altering experience.

You father did his job well and protected you, from the catholic church.

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okay...so do you also have a problem with the taxpayers footing the bill for other health care???

ya know....
blood tests, colonoscopies, whatever....
if not, then well, I will go back to my original point..

It's unhealthy for a women to pop babies out one after another, and quite frankly, the christian religion seems want to convince her that god will condemn her if she ever says no to her husband...
and, I will expand on that point some....
there's women out there who are on meds that quite frankly, will do a great deal of damage....
like it or not, birth control is just as viable medically as is that colonoscopies, those blood tests, exrays, ect...
and well, the pill is the most dependable option out there outside of a tubal, which well, costs a heck of alot of money...
don't want your insurance or tax money covering that young women's birth controll....fine, I want out of having to pay for you ailments either!!!

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the pill is the most dependable option out there outside of a tubal, which well, costs a heck of alot of money... don't want your insurance or tax money covering that young women's birth controll....fine, I want out of having to pay for you ailments either!!!

Good….

Then we’re in agreement. I will pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours. You buy whatever you want or need and I will do the same!

Problem Solved!!

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