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Priest Warns Obama: Better Knock the Catholic Church Out NOW

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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by SilentKillah

Originally posted by seabag
My main beef is that I don’t want Obamacare. I REALLY don’t want Obamacare to include abortion and contraception coverage for ANYONE because I'm pro-life and don't think the government should be holding people's hands.


My main beef is that people think that they can meddle in my affairs. I have 3 kids. My wife has had her tubes tied to prevent pregnancy. If she gets pregnant again and we don't want to keep it, that's my freaking choice... not yours.



Wow, so when your parents are elderly and you don't want to bother with them, are you going to kill them too? Or if one of your kids becomes more trouble than they are worth, you going to kill that one as well? I mean, it's your freaking choice right?




But I guess you'd rather for your tax dollars to go toward the child living in a foster home for who knows how long in hopes of being adopted.


Ummm, yeah. Go to a foster home and ask the kids if they would like to be killed today rather than stay in foster care. I doubt any will go for it.




Furthermore the child being picked on and having low self esteem causing her to do drugs, get pregnant, give her child up, not do well in school, seek welfare upon turning 18 etc. Yep... that makes much more since.


Hahahahahaha!!!

Oh wait, you were actually being serious? Generalize much?

Trust me, there are many kids who fit that discription who have both their parents at home with them, my baby sis being one of them. And there have been plenty of foster kids that have grown up to become wonderful people and function members of society. Many of whom are greatful every day for their lives and that they had a chance to have a life because their mom choose to give them up rather than abort them. Maybe you should go talk to one.




My business is not your business... no matter how you try to think of it.


I agree except for when it endangers someone else. Why do unborns have no human rights? Because people are diluting themselves into thinking they aren't human, yet. But they are. That is our young we are killing. We should be ashamed of this time in our history! If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged for 2 counts. Yet it's ok murder babies if it's inconvenient to the mom? Really? There is a double standard here. Our laws make no moral sense.

Talk to an abortion survivor. They have the most beautiful outlook on life, they are thankful every day they are here, because they almost had it taken away.




posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
For "pro-choicers" who advocate murder, ask yourselves where would you be today if your mother decided to snuff you out in the womb? All that you have become, all that you have learned and experienced, your first love, your first kiss, your first car, your first date, your first day at college, your first (and hopefully last) wedding. These are the things you deny future generations when you advocate murdering them in the womb.


Id be nowhere, and i wouldnt even miss it because i would have never even taken my first breath or made my first memory. I also never would have suffered.

But for all you "anti-choicers", ask yourselves this: where would the world be today if Hitler had been aborted? Think of all the lives that would have saved.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Superabound
But for all you "anti-choicers", ask yourselves this: where would the world be today if Hitler had been aborted? Think of all the lives that would have saved.


What if George Washington
or Thomas Edison were aborted
would we have the USA or a light bulb
THANK GOD THEY WERE NOT!!

Bad argument there



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
While you claim that your business is nobody else's, you seem quite comfortable telling people they should be willing to pay an extra 5 bucks insurance to pay for your contraception, or somebody else's. Really, at a time when many people cannot afford premiums at all, how dare you suggest we should all pay more for you.


So... like I said... pay the 10K dollars in taxes for the children being born every day via medicaid instead. I'm not telling anyone to pay $5 extra a month... I don't care what you do. What I am saying is that it's much cheaper for you in the long run if you already can't afford the taxes.


Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
And by the way, your idea that we should all be willing to pay more because it's just going to rise anyway because of ozone depletion is just a crazy and mixed up perception. Paying an extra 5 dollars for people's contraceptives is fairly concrete, but for health insurance to go up over ozone depletion(I'm assuming you are referring to higher incidences of skin cancer) is not nearly as concrete and somehow the idea we should pay for one extra concrete thing because some not so concrete thing is going to cause insurance rates to go up, so heck we should just pay more all around... yah that is so logical...
edit on 12-3-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


My health insurance premium goes up every single year. I didn't mean for anyone on here to take my references to possibilities of why health insurance increases as literal. Regardless of whether a possibility is "concrete" or not, what is "concrete" is that health insurance will continue to rise regardless of what the cause is. Just like gas prices... and the reasons behind them rising.

I bet you pay a cable bill each month and I bet you don't watch all of the stations that are offered either. Yet... you somehow don't complain about the $30 some odd dollars that you could be saving off of your cable bill if they would just rid of stations that you don't watch. Yet people can't have additional coverages in health insurance because you wouldn't use them. And they say that Pro Choicers are selfish.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Under Water
Ummm, yeah. Go to a foster home and ask the kids if they would like to be killed today rather than stay in foster care. I doubt any will go for it.


Ok, so if you ask a kid if he wants to be killed and he says no, that means you shouldnt kill them. So if you ask a fetus if it wants to be killed, and it doesnt say no, i guess that means its ok right?


I agree except for when it endangers someone else. Why do unborns have no human rights? Because people are diluting themselves into thinking they aren't human, yet. But they are. That is our young we are killing. We should be ashamed of this time in our history! If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged for 2 counts. Yet it's ok murder babies if it's inconvenient to the mom? Really? There is a double standard here. Our laws make no moral sense.

Talk to an abortion survivor. They have the most beautiful outlook on life, they are thankful every day they are here, because they almost had it taken away.


Speaking of "double standards", why arent those abortion survivors mothers arrested and thrown in jail for attempted murder? Why arent those abortion survivors taken away from their dangerous mothers and thrown in the wonderful American foster care system like they deserve?



Originally posted by popsmayhem

What if George Washington
or Thomas Edison were aborted
would we have the USA or a light bulb
THANK GOD THEY WERE NOT!!

Bad argument there


Thomas Edison didnt invent the lightbulb and George Washington didnt create America.

Bad argument, AND bad knowledge of history.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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They are all on the same "team". This is just a PR move by the catholic church to try and make them look respectable after years of bad press. They are just using this useless and non issue as a reason to get the conservative side to like them again.

Always remember, the Catholic Church is the true enemy and always have been. They play both sides of the political field and Obama is a puppet that dances for them. Don't believe a word these guys say.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by SilentKillah
I bet you pay a cable bill each month and I bet you don't watch all of the stations that are offered either. Yet... you somehow don't complain about the $30 some odd dollars that you could be saving off of your cable bill if they would just rid of stations that you don't watch. Yet people can't have additional coverages in health insurance because you wouldn't use them. And they say that Pro Choicers are selfish.


The only reason theyre not mad about paying for extra cable channels is because Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck havent told them to be.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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To all free-thinkers, this is the most important thing i can say about the Catholic Church: "The Empire never ended"



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by seabag
 



It’s about abortion or no abortion. If a religion can’t be involved in issues of life, death and morality then what are they supposed to do, remain silent??


No, they don't have to be silent...they can tell their parishoners what the religous stance on the issue is.

What they can't do is try to lobby the government to influence the laws of the country.



I'm personally a pro-life person, I would love to see the law change to make abortion murder...but it isn't the Church's place to try to lobby for laws...in fact that is one of the things that should make them lose their exempt status.


Hi,

Just one point on what you have said, why do you think religeous groups should not be allowed to lobby government? Whether you agree with them or not, they are part of society. Why should a business be allowed to lobby government when its intention is to gain some advantage over another business? I would have thought that was more of an issue, but both fit the bill (pardon the pun) of exactly what lobbying is about.

Now, to a more cogent point. Since when have politicians had the right to choose what your choice is on something such as this (forget the state funding, I mean the right or not having the right to choose an abortion)? All of the Republican candidates have said abortion is something they do not agree with - oh, apart from Ron Paul who will as always let the states decide for themselves whether they will allow abortion. That personally seems to me to be the worst of all options given the fact some states may allow and others will not.

So, given the fact that this is one priest giving his opinion of which there is no evidence that it has any backing from elsewhere..... where are we? Someone in their role (assuming of course the guy really is a priest) giving their opinion.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Personally I think the Catholic church should clean up its own house before it starts to point fingers at someone else's.

"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

The Church of Hypocrisy perhaps?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Under Water
Wow, so when your parents are elderly and you don't want to bother with them, are you going to kill them too? Or if one of your kids becomes more trouble than they are worth, you going to kill that one as well? I mean, it's your freaking choice right?


What does healthcare assistance with contraception and abortion have to do with my parents? I see that you're trying to associate my elderly parents that can understand the world and have actually seen it with a fetus. News flash... my elderly parents aren't living INSIDE of my wife. Not the same situation... try again.


Originally posted by Under Water
Ummm, yeah. Go to a foster home and ask the kids if they would like to be killed today rather than stay in foster care. I doubt any will go for it.


Understood... but my statement wasn't about whether the child would rather live or die... it was about tax dollars! People complaining about money on healthcare when these foster care services are provided by tax dollars. Wouldn't taxes go down if there were less people in foster care? YES!

My point of view here is that I don't mind either one. I'd continue to pay the taxes and the increased healthcare... heck I do it every year!


Originally posted by Under Water
Hahahahahaha!!!

Oh wait, you were actually being serious? Generalize much?

Trust me, there are many kids who fit that discription who have both their parents at home with them, my baby sis being one of them. And there have been plenty of foster kids that have grown up to become wonderful people and function members of society. Many of whom are greatful every day for their lives and that they had a chance to have a life because their mom choose to give them up rather than abort them. Maybe you should go talk to one.


You are exactly right... there are many foster children that have grown to be successful. Unfortunately my DIRECT experiences have shown otherwise. I actually lived down the street from a foster home with 4 kids while I was a child. On of my friends there hung himself at the age of 11. Another girl there (maybe 13 y.o.) beat a school mate into a coma for picking on her the same year and ended up in JDC. So generalize as you say... maybe... to me, not so much.


Originally posted by Under Water
I agree except for when it endangers someone else. Why do unborns have no human rights? Because people are diluting themselves into thinking they aren't human, yet. But they are. That is our young we are killing. We should be ashamed of this time in our history! If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged for 2 counts. Yet it's ok murder babies if it's inconvenient to the mom? Really? There is a double standard here. Our laws make no moral sense.

Talk to an abortion survivor. They have the most beautiful outlook on life, they are thankful every day they are here, because they almost had it taken away.


Why do sickly or weakly born animals who are killed immediately after birth not have right to life? Because it's the animal's way to better chances of survival of the pack. Why did Inuit people kill their first born if it was a girl (if they still don't)? Survival! Your morals are not mine. What we should be ashamed of is trying to force everyone else to be as we are.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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oh noez the catholic church - were done humping little boys, killing our own pope, starting religious jihads and charging for toilet paper at the Vatican now we are going to start getting "with it" and making lame baseless threats like everyone else.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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why do you think religeous groups should not be allowed to lobby government?


Because I believe that the seperation of church and state should go both ways.

I also believe that if the church is going to be tax exempt, then they should not be involved in politics. If they start lobbying to push their own religous beliefs into law or if they start endorsing specific candidates or parties...then they should lose that tax exemption. The tax exemption is in place so they are specifically not burdened by government...in turn, they shouldn't try to influence that same government.

And this goes for all religions IMO as long as they are recieving the tax exempt, they should stay silent on political issues and just follow the law of the land.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Catholic priests just want larger and larger flocks of sheeple to give them money and more young boys to molest. At the very least this is psychologically motivated by the fact these priests can't have sex, and therefore cannot have children. They are entirely disconnected from family life - so maybe the idea of abortion disturbs them more.

I am sorry, I am just telling it like it is. There are larger and more important issues other than abortion. For Heaven's sake. People keep cycling around over and over on trivial issues. The world is grossly overpopulated and many people are too young or messed up to be having children. Let them have Pro Choice and shut up already. Please and thank you... (it will never happen).
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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No, you told us here that we should be willing to pay the extra 5 bucks. And you also said our premiums were going to rise due to the ozone depletion. You must be a crystal ball gazer too in addition to having many catfish poles dangling in the water.
What is the difference if it is you or someone else we are talking about here? Extra 10,000 in taxes? Well, wouldn't that also depend on my income? Oh wait, POTUS is raising everyone's taxes regardless of contraception. I've talked about rising inflation. Now you are trying to tell me I don't deserve to have my cable connection unless I also pay for someone else's frikken contraception? You are just engaging in a dialogue in relativity.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
No I don't think it should be tax payer funded, however I would rather people used contraceptives then had abortions.



Nice wording, the contraception’s are to prevent the abortions not lead to them!



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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The amount of people pointing out that Catholics are a "bunch of child molesters" is surprising. I thought this forum consisted of intelligent people who have the ability to think beyond stereotypes. I wonder if they also accuse the entire Black population of being criminally predisposed.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by SilentKillah
 


No, you told us here that we should be willing to pay the extra 5 bucks. And you also said our premiums were going to rise due to the ozone depletion. You must be a crystal ball gazer too in addition to having many catfish poles dangling in the water.
What is the difference if it is you or someone else we are talking about here? Extra 10,000 in taxes? Well, wouldn't that also depend on my income? Oh wait, POTUS is raising everyone's taxes regardless of contraception. I've talked about rising inflation. Now you are trying to tell me I don't deserve to have my cable connection unless I also pay for someone else's frikken contraception? You are just engaging in a dialogue in relativity.


*Raised eyebrow* Lol... I don't know whether you're being serious anymore or just being funny. Either way, I'm not touching on this until you can make some sense out of it.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Is it just me, or whenever there are pressing issues that need to be widely discussed and examined, somebody just whips out that old bogeyman: the female reproductive system. Dangle the ladyparts in front of a concerned and riled voter base, and watch the real issues wither away from lack of popular focus.

I am upset over having to underwrite a lot of things. Female reproductive health is not one of them.

By the way, are you guys enjoying the Viagra? Awesome, glad it's covered under most plans.



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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Why do sickly or weakly born animals who are killed immediately after birth not have right to life?


Because they are animals. WE are PEOPLE. We do not live like animals, we live in a society. The needs for survival are different.




You are exactly right... there are many foster children that have grown to be successful. Unfortunately my DIRECT experiences have shown otherwise.


Excuse me, I guess your one direct experience involving 4 kids in ONE obviously bad foster home must speak for the rest of the country?




News flash... my elderly parents aren't living INSIDE of my wife.


No they aren't, they are here because they weren't aborted. And my point is a human life is still a human life, whether in the womb or not. It is the same! For crying out loud, we are killing the future of humanity!




Speaking of "double standards", why arent those abortion survivors mothers arrested and thrown in jail for attempted murder?

Yes, why? Oh yeah, because our savage government hell bent on population control made it legal! Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. Just because something is illegal, doesn't make it wrong. It's our job to keep our society in check. Humanity must take responsibility for itself.




Ok, so if you ask a kid if he wants to be killed and he says no, that means you shouldnt kill them. So if you ask a fetus if it wants to be killed, and it doesnt say no, i guess that means its ok right?

Well with your logic, that also makes it ok to kill babies and toddlers who can't yet speak. But hey, you believe in killing unborns, so what's the difference, right?





Id be nowhere, and i wouldnt even miss it because i would have never even taken my first breath or made my first memory. I also never would have suffered.


Well, if your suffering so much in life, why not just end it? Oh, you want to live do you? Regardless of your suffering? Yet you don't want those unborns who can't speak for themselves to have the right to protect themselves?




But for all you "anti-choicers", ask yourselves this: where would the world be today if Hitler had been aborted? Think of all the lives that would have saved.


You don't know who your killing in the womb. Could be the next hitler, or could be the person who is supposed to save humanity. You are not God, it should not be up to you to make the decision on who lives and who dies over an irresponsible woman's right to convenience. When her body contains another body, it's not just her body anymore now is it? There are two bodies involved. Yet you're all so quick to say it's HER body so its HER right.


History will look back at this era, if we survive it, and we will be utterly disgusted with ourselves, at how heartless, irresponsible and savage we were. And we will look on with disbelief at the excuses we made to justify our horrible unthinkable actions.




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