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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Way to obfuscate... The people who make up the Taliban are not all Afghans.

Really?
The Taliban are mainly comprised of a people known as the Pashtun. They have been living in Afghanistan for ages. No reason not to consider them Afghans.




Also they didn't seem to mind the US support when they were fighting the Soviets. So long as they were getting their way they were fine.. Tell them no and its Jihad.

The US had a problem with Soviet presence in that region....so they merely aided a movement that would counter the enemy...as they normally do. Worked out well for both back then.




posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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No different than what we did in Iraq.





I am really tired of war and people who condone it.

Nobody should be subjected to this kind of stuff.

America and England (England is in bed with American Banks) are immoral, blood thirsty and there is such a thing as karma.

This will come back to haunt us.

War is terrorism on a bigger budget.





There will be millions of children growing up that will never forget or forgive, and embedded within their genes are memories (yes scientists now find that some of our "junk" genes contain memories that are passed on through generations-I call it genetic memory) the horror that TPTB convinced the pions to wage against them.


Military men are “dumb, stupid animals to be used” as pawns for foreign policy. - Henry Kissinger
The quote is found in “Final Days,” a book by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein. Kissinger has never disputed it.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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And now the UNNAMED MASS MURDERER has been appointed a top top criminal lawyer who is describing him as .."One of our boys"

All of those boys are been USED as dumb KILLERS acting for corperate zionist led business.
I am ashamed at times to be English , and having any sort of support for this sick inhuman garbage.

WAKE UP.
Realise the lies You have bought, and are allowing these faceless cowards to USE our young men and women as murderers for PROFIT.
gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:37 AM
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What frightens me the most is.... The man's description is FREAKISHLY close to my ex's.
As for the event, sad as it may be, this is war. The man is clearly not mentally stable. We're fighting a guerilla war over there. They don't know who the enemy is. Friendly by day, lethal by night. I've experienced my ex and others talking about it, it's NOT a good place to be. Many of them hate everyone there because they can't be trusted.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:38 AM
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And now the UNNAMED MASS MURDERER has been appointed a top top criminal lawyer who is describing him as .."One of our boys"


And where is the evidence that this man is a mass murderer?


All of those boys are been USED as dumb KILLERS acting for corperate zionist led business.


It's quite interesting that you should put it this way, as there is a strong correlation in the natural world between being a predatory animal and being intelligent.


I am ashamed at times to be English


Cool, we agree on something.


and having any sort of support for this sick inhuman garbage.


The murder of those 16 people was, indeed, a display of socially unacceptable behavior. The people responsible for it should be held accountable for their actions and due justice rendered.

However, it has yet to be demonstrated that this unnamed man is responsible.

Yet, here the slobbering masses are; demanding they have his name so they can draw and quarter him with no evidence, whatsoever, that this man was responsible.

That, to me; is sick, inhuman garbage.


WAKE UP.


I prefer to preserve my individual thought process.


Realise the lies You have bought, and are allowing these faceless cowards to USE our young men and women as murderers for PROFIT.


The only problem I see with it is that, currently, the costs are absorbed solely by the American tax-payer with the justification that force projection ensures economic security and stability for the American economy.

Personally, I think we should open up the military to defense contract bids that are shouldered by the contracting entity. The price will be passed along to the consumers - but in the case of international companies, that will be more than simply Americans. Further, it allows commands to self-regulate their expenses by attempting to undercut competing commands (but also having to maintain unit function and pay).

The pay for mobilization is quite good; and difficult to pass up unless you are making well into the six figures on the civilian side.

The U.S. does need to "wake up" and realize that they are squandering one of the most valuable services available: defense. Our service is top-notch and covers the full spectrum. It's time we start marketing it for what it is.

But, there again, I'm one of those free market types. I see nothing wrong with a reasonable profit margin.

seekingalpha.com...

The high profit margins exist, generally, in other markets. Metal mining is far more profitable than drilling for oil (in terms of profit margin - volume production and sale may paint a different picture, though).



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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The Afghans are now stating that the Americans would not cooperate with their investigation into the crime. They wanted to question the soldier to ask if he was part of a kill team rather than the "upset" rogue loner we are being led to believe. Their requests were refused - which comes as no surprise, really.


Kabul, Afghanistan - The US military did not cooperate with the Afghan team dispatched to investigate the massacre of 16 civilians by a rogue American army sergeant in Kandahar province, the Afghan president has said. The accusations came as Hamid Karzai met in his palace on Friday with distraught families of victims of last week’s incident as well as tribal elders. "The Afghan government didn't receive cooperation from the USA regarding the surrender of the US soldiers to the Afghan government," Karzai said. Lieutenant General Sher Mohammed Karimi, chief of the Afghan army who led the investigation into the massacre, told the gathering that his delegation did not receive the full cooperation they expected. He said that despite repeated requests from high-level Afghan officials, including the minister of defence, to meet with the accused soldier, they were not granted access by US generals. Karimi said he wanted to ask the soldier whether he acted alone, or was part of a team, as has repeatedly been claimed by tribal elders. The soldier was flown to Kuwait on Wednesday, and is expected to arrive in a military prison in the US as early as Friday, according to reports. John Henry Browne, the soldier's attorney, told US media the accused would be held at a maximum security detention facility at a US military base in Kansas.


Source



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
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And now the UNNAMED MASS MURDERER has been appointed a top top criminal lawyer who is describing him as .."One of our boys"


And where is the evidence that this man is a mass murderer?


All of those boys are been USED as dumb KILLERS acting for corperate zionist led business.


It's quite interesting that you should put it this way, as there is a strong correlation in the natural world between being a predatory animal and being intelligent.


I am ashamed at times to be English


Cool, we agree on something.


and having any sort of support for this sick inhuman garbage.


The murder of those 16 people was, indeed, a display of socially unacceptable behavior. The people responsible for it should be held accountable for their actions and due justice rendered.

However, it has yet to be demonstrated that this unnamed man is responsible.

Yet, here the slobbering masses are; demanding they have his name so they can draw and quarter him with no evidence, whatsoever, that this man was responsible.

That, to me; is sick, inhuman garbage.


WAKE UP.


I prefer to preserve my individual thought process.


Realise the lies You have bought, and are allowing these faceless cowards to USE our young men and women as murderers for PROFIT.


The only problem I see with it is that, currently, the costs are absorbed solely by the American tax-payer with the justification that force projection ensures economic security and stability for the American economy.

Personally, I think we should open up the military to defense contract bids that are shouldered by the contracting entity. The price will be passed along to the consumers - but in the case of international companies, that will be more than simply Americans. Further, it allows commands to self-regulate their expenses by attempting to undercut competing commands (but also having to maintain unit function and pay).

The pay for mobilization is quite good; and difficult to pass up unless you are making well into the six figures on the civilian side.

The U.S. does need to "wake up" and realize that they are squandering one of the most valuable services available: defense. Our service is top-notch and covers the full spectrum. It's time we start marketing it for what it is.

But, there again, I'm one of those free market types. I see nothing wrong with a reasonable profit margin.

seekingalpha.com...

The high profit margins exist, generally, in other markets. Metal mining is far more profitable than drilling for oil (in terms of profit margin - volume production and sale may paint a different picture, though).


The man should have answered questions there locally, and been treated as any suspected mass murderer would have been.

I am not "slobbering masses" and am disgusted at You insinuating so...remove such filth.

The slaughter of countless women and children in Afghanistan by AMERICANS is not "socially unacceptable" it is inhuman barbarism by brainwashed dumb young almost children , who have been turned into MURDERERS.

This PROFIT driven inhuman mass murder is not "DEFENSE" it is invented imperialistic ATTACK and OCCUPY by inhuman dumb brainwashed slobs.

YOU need to wake up from the thinking so clearly demonstrated in Your post.

Those who carried out this slaughter need identifying and dealt with by the people of Afghanistan, and if they have been sent to carry out this then the ultimate commander in chief..one OBAMA should stand trial in AFGHANISTAN.

gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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The man should have answered questions there locally, and been treated as any suspected mass murderer would have been.


There will be time for him to answer questions when he stands his trial.

Months, even years pass between one's arrest for a crime such as this and their trial here in the U.S. You act as though he has already been found not guilty.


I am not "slobbering masses" and am disgusted at You insinuating so...remove such filth.


I'm really not inclined to speak in a manner that makes you feel comfortable. I call them like I see them. I was referring to the majority opinion in this thread. You can lump yourself in with them, or you can stand as an individual on your own merits.


The slaughter of countless women and children in Afghanistan by AMERICANS is not "socially unacceptable" it is inhuman barbarism by brainwashed dumb young almost children , who have been turned into MURDERERS.


You're attempting to attribute all kinds of unnecessary qualitative descriptors to this. Killing outside of self defense or the defense of others is socially unacceptable behavior. Attempting to judge the person beyond whether or not it is likely for them to continue such behavior is completely unnecessary and unwarranted. A person who is highly likely to continue killing people outside of self defense has no business being part of our society, and should not be allowed to participate in it or burden it in any way (exile or execution).

However, attempting to judge the person's soul is a feat that only breeds hatred and darkness within ourselves.

American, Afghani, Korean, Canadian - murder is not acceptable behavior when conducted by any one of them. The style of that murder is also quite irrelevant to the response society must level against it. A fair trial must be given, and an assessment of the person's behavior and their likelihood of continuing that behavior must be done. With that information, the deposition of the accused can be decided upon.


This PROFIT driven inhuman mass murder is not "DEFENSE" it is invented imperialistic ATTACK and OCCUPY by inhuman dumb brainwashed slobs.


How does this mass murder tie in with corporate profits?

Are CEOs and drug lords dancing at the news that Afghanistan may begin to instate tariffs on U.S. originated goods or raise prices on U.S. customers due to deteriorating relations?


YOU need to wake up from the thinking so clearly demonstrated in Your post.


Wait... let me get this straight...

I ask for evidence that this man is a mass murderer... you provide none; spare for a rant about soldiers being dumb and brainwashed by some profiteering conspiracy.

Then tell me I need to wake up from that line of thinking to embrace yours.

No thanks. Like I said - I like my individual thought process far too much. It's why I test and perform in the 99 percentile.

If I was like everyone else - I would be in the mere 80 percentile or lower.


Those who carried out this slaughter need identifying and dealt with by the people of Afghanistan, and if they have been sent to carry out this then the ultimate commander in chief..one OBAMA should stand trial in AFGHANISTAN.


An investigation needs to be carried out, for certain. Ideally, that would involve photography of the crime scene, forensic specialists, and a review of Coalition log books.

That will take time. However, due to the existing relation between the U.S. and Afghanistan; it would be best to hold a Coalition military tribunal as opposed to a traditional U.S. Court Martial.

As for Obama being charged with some kind of crime over this - that is just silly. It is so unbelievably unlikely that he knew of the operation, much less so that he would have had a hand in causing it to turn into the nightmare it has.

Patience, child, patience. Not everything can be settled by the microwave that has pervaded our perception and appreciation of time.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
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The man should have answered questions there locally, and been treated as any suspected mass murderer would have been.


There will be time for him to answer questions when he stands his trial.

Months, even years pass between one's arrest for a crime such as this and their trial here in the U.S. You act as though he has already been found not guilty.


I am not "slobbering masses" and am disgusted at You insinuating so...remove such filth.


I'm really not inclined to speak in a manner that makes you feel comfortable. I call them like I see them. I was referring to the majority opinion in this thread. You can lump yourself in with them, or you can stand as an individual on your own merits.


The slaughter of countless women and children in Afghanistan by AMERICANS is not "socially unacceptable" it is inhuman barbarism by brainwashed dumb young almost children , who have been turned into MURDERERS.


You're attempting to attribute all kinds of unnecessary qualitative descriptors to this. Killing outside of self defense or the defense of others is socially unacceptable behavior. Attempting to judge the person beyond whether or not it is likely for them to continue such behavior is completely unnecessary and unwarranted. A person who is highly likely to continue killing people outside of self defense has no business being part of our society, and should not be allowed to participate in it or burden it in any way (exile or execution).

However, attempting to judge the person's soul is a feat that only breeds hatred and darkness within ourselves.

American, Afghani, Korean, Canadian - murder is not acceptable behavior when conducted by any one of them. The style of that murder is also quite irrelevant to the response society must level against it. A fair trial must be given, and an assessment of the person's behavior and their likelihood of continuing that behavior must be done. With that information, the deposition of the accused can be decided upon.


This PROFIT driven inhuman mass murder is not "DEFENSE" it is invented imperialistic ATTACK and OCCUPY by inhuman dumb brainwashed slobs.


How does this mass murder tie in with corporate profits?

Are CEOs and drug lords dancing at the news that Afghanistan may begin to instate tariffs on U.S. originated goods or raise prices on U.S. customers due to deteriorating relations?


YOU need to wake up from the thinking so clearly demonstrated in Your post.


Wait... let me get this straight...

I ask for evidence that this man is a mass murderer... you provide none; spare for a rant about soldiers being dumb and brainwashed by some profiteering conspiracy.

Then tell me I need to wake up from that line of thinking to embrace yours.

No thanks. Like I said - I like my individual thought process far too much. It's why I test and perform in the 99 percentile.

If I was like everyone else - I would be in the mere 80 percentile or lower.


Those who carried out this slaughter need identifying and dealt with by the people of Afghanistan, and if they have been sent to carry out this then the ultimate commander in chief..one OBAMA should stand trial in AFGHANISTAN.


An investigation needs to be carried out, for certain. Ideally, that would involve photography of the crime scene, forensic specialists, and a review of Coalition log books.

That will take time. However, due to the existing relation between the U.S. and Afghanistan; it would be best to hold a Coalition military tribunal as opposed to a traditional U.S. Court Martial.

As for Obama being charged with some kind of crime over this - that is just silly. It is so unbelievably unlikely that he knew of the operation, much less so that he would have had a hand in causing it to turn into the nightmare it has.

Patience, child, patience. Not everything can be settled by the microwave that has pervaded our perception and appreciation of time.


I am no "CHILD" and using such tactics won't chide me into saying anything that can be removed...sunshine.

Removing this man from the area of crime ,is the height of hypocricy by the arrogant bloated Americans.
All it will do is INFLAME, which is what it was possibly designed to achieve??
The burning of the corpses is symbolic of such.

OBAMA is the commanding officer responsible fot the actions of all below Him.
IF??? this has been planned and organised by anyone below Him , then the buck stops with HIM.
If this is the case HE should hang in Afghanistan.
gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Maybe just as well, given that the Afgan's probably would end up throwing him out of a window and blaming it on the wind



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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I am no "CHILD"


Perspective relativism. Only a child is so deluded as to believe himself to be fully mature.


and using such tactics won't chide me into saying anything that can be removed...sunshine.


A literal interpretation and application of the Terms and Conditions of this site would see you and I both banned.


Removing this man from the area of crime ,is the height of hypocricy by the arrogant bloated Americans.


Please explain.


All it will do is INFLAME, which is what it was possibly designed to achieve??


It was done because the man would be dead if he stayed in the theater. The damage has already been done. The region wholly blames the U.S. for the event (and will do so indefinitely - even if there is a highly publicized documentary released that uses some hypothetical actual footage of the event, and it displays the U.S. to not be at fault). Attacks against soldiers in theater will certainly increase, and relations will grow even more cold and distant.

Responsible or not - it would be rather difficult to keep our own forces from doing some fairly horrible things to him (because they will bare the brunt of retaliation).

And turning him over to the Afghan government completely is simply out of the question, for many of the same reasons.


The burning of the corpses is symbolic of such.


Because these shadow-government types have the ability to make "lowly" E-5s plan elaborate, symbolic crimes as a testimony to their brilliance and arrogance.


OBAMA is the commanding officer responsible fot the actions of all below Him.


That's not how it works.

My Commanding Officer gives me a directive to accomplish a given goal. I have some lateral authority in how to go about accomplishing that goal with the E-5 and below I have positional or rank authority over. If I direct my E-4s to simply shoot everything that moves - then I am responsible for a host of UCMJ violations (as are the individuals carrying out an unlawful order). That does not mean my CO is responsible for my decision to do something unlawful (so long as his orders are lawful, and he did not encourage those actions or display negligence).

You can't try to rope Obama into a legal ordeal because someone in the military did something they weren't supposed to.


IF??? this has been planned and organised by anyone below Him , then the buck stops with HIM.


The President's role as Commander in Chief has been greatly forlorn in the recent decades. Most of it has been offloaded onto the SecDef; but generals/admirals do a hell of a lot of direct interaction with Congress outside the President's influence.


If this is the case HE should hang in Afghanistan.


You're a cheery fellow. I doubt, however, you'll be committing seppuku when someone under your authority does something catastrophically wrong.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
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I am no "CHILD"


Perspective relativism. Only a child is so deluded as to believe himself to be fully mature.


and using such tactics won't chide me into saying anything that can be removed...sunshine.


A literal interpretation and application of the Terms and Conditions of this site would see you and I both banned.


Removing this man from the area of crime ,is the height of hypocricy by the arrogant bloated Americans.


Please explain.


All it will do is INFLAME, which is what it was possibly designed to achieve??


It was done because the man would be dead if he stayed in the theater. The damage has already been done. The region wholly blames the U.S. for the event (and will do so indefinitely - even if there is a highly publicized documentary released that uses some hypothetical actual footage of the event, and it displays the U.S. to not be at fault). Attacks against soldiers in theater will certainly increase, and relations will grow even more cold and distant.

Responsible or not - it would be rather difficult to keep our own forces from doing some fairly horrible things to him (because they will bare the brunt of retaliation).

And turning him over to the Afghan government completely is simply out of the question, for many of the same reasons.


The burning of the corpses is symbolic of such.


Because these shadow-government types have the ability to make "lowly" E-5s plan elaborate, symbolic crimes as a testimony to their brilliance and arrogance.


OBAMA is the commanding officer responsible fot the actions of all below Him.


That's not how it works.

My Commanding Officer gives me a directive to accomplish a given goal. I have some lateral authority in how to go about accomplishing that goal with the E-5 and below I have positional or rank authority over. If I direct my E-4s to simply shoot everything that moves - then I am responsible for a host of UCMJ violations (as are the individuals carrying out an unlawful order). That does not mean my CO is responsible for my decision to do something unlawful (so long as his orders are lawful, and he did not encourage those actions or display negligence).

You can't try to rope Obama into a legal ordeal because someone in the military did something they weren't supposed to.


IF??? this has been planned and organised by anyone below Him , then the buck stops with HIM.


The President's role as Commander in Chief has been greatly forlorn in the recent decades. Most of it has been offloaded onto the SecDef; but generals/admirals do a hell of a lot of direct interaction with Congress outside the President's influence.


If this is the case HE should hang in Afghanistan.


You're a cheery fellow. I doubt, however, you'll be committing seppuku when someone under your authority does something catastrophically wrong.


I sense the Japanese have a high moral code and respect, this buffoon on the other hand has none.
www.snopes.com...

IF??/ as I said, there is any planning involved in this mass murder, then the chain of command stops at that disrespectfull buffoon.
Unless He can show otherwise.

gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Sgt Bob Bales.
www.bbc.co.uk...
One of our boys.
gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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I sense the Japanese have a high moral code and respect, this buffoon on the other hand has none.


Note that wasn't the point of what I was saying. Obama is a red herring who says what gets attention at the time. His character need not be elaborated upon further than that.


IF??/ as I said, there is any planning involved in this mass murder, then the chain of command stops at that disrespectfull buffoon.


You're not making any logical sense in the slightest.

You are attempting to directly implicate Obama in the events that happened (with no evidence that the crime was actually committed by U.S. Military personnel to begin with). That would be like attempting to implicate the CEO of Ford in a case of racial prejudice against you in a service department.


Unless He can show otherwise.


AND guilty before proven innocent?

Would you like some help urinating on the Constitution?



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
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I sense the Japanese have a high moral code and respect, this buffoon on the other hand has none.


Note that wasn't the point of what I was saying. Obama is a red herring who says what gets attention at the time. His character need not be elaborated upon further than that.


IF??/ as I said, there is any planning involved in this mass murder, then the chain of command stops at that disrespectfull buffoon.


You're not making any logical sense in the slightest.

You are attempting to directly implicate Obama in the events that happened (with no evidence that the crime was actually committed by U.S. Military personnel to begin with). That would be like attempting to implicate the CEO of Ford in a case of racial prejudice against you in a service department.


Unless He can show otherwise.


AND guilty before proven innocent?

Would you like some help urinating on the Constitution?


I take it then that YOU are an expert on urinating on the constitution???

The alledged LONE SHOOTER is said possibly to a navy seal....hmmmmmm??

Where this occured is signifigant, and the ritual burning of bodies is also signifigant.

I am not trying to implicate anyone, You seem awfully keen to try and deflect away from Obama.....any reason???
Anyone may suspect YOU as been an agent or something??
gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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I take it then that YOU are an expert on urinating on the constitution???


I was going to direct you to a few historic examples that would better help you realize your dream of vengeance for all.


The alledged LONE SHOOTER is said possibly to a navy seal....hmmmmmm??


*sigh* No. He's not a Seal. Further, the eye-witness testimonies (as well as the events this man is allegedly responsible for) contest the notion that he was a lone gunman.


Where this occured is signifigant, and the ritual burning of bodies is also signifigant.


Yes. They left a code. For you. You're that important.


I am not trying to implicate anyone, You seem awfully keen to try and deflect away from Obama.....any reason?


Because the man has very little to nothing to do with this - other than his piss-poor response to the issue.


Anyone may suspect YOU as been an agent or something?


Look, boy-genius - you don't need to twist this event around in some kind of attempt to implicate Obama in criminal activity. The man gets up on public television and blatantly talks out of his ass (when not deliberately lying and spewing words that would have you or I brought up on charges of slander) while signing legislation that pisses away tens of billions of taxpayer dollars to corporations that can't even build a functioning car; let alone set up a functional business based on alternative energy.

We don't need to beat a dead horse. He doesn't belong in the office he holds. However, he is serving as the perfect Red Herring. Congress has repeatedly failed to reduce the budget deficit or address critical problems they were voted into office to solve. Obama takes the blame for stupid legislation while Republicans command a majority of the House.

Obama is- Look! A Distraction!

Let the boy complete his petty tour of office and be recorded as the "Change that Wasn't," as it should be. Do not let him become even more of a Red Herring by becoming some kind of Marxist Martyr.

Let him be held accountable for what is his responsibility (such as establishing a mission for our armed forces abroad... something we currently lack). But don't try to act like there is some critical need to wildly twist things around to implicate Obama in frivolous pursuits. There isn't. His record stands as evidence enough why he doesn't belong in the office.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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The soldier has now been named as Staff Sergeant Robert Bales.


Sergeant Bales stands accused of killing the Afghan villagers in three homes in three different locations in Panjwai district, Kandahar province. The victims were mostly women and children, killed in the early hours of 11 March. According to reports, he allegedly walked off a base known as Camp Belambay to the nearby villages. Some of the bodies had been set on fire. He returned to the base and surrendered his weapon. An anonymous US official confirmed to the New York Times that the soldier had been drinking alcohol the evening before the attack. "When it all comes out, it will be a combination of stress, alcohol and domestic issues - he just snapped," the US military official said.


BBC



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posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Based on your logic in the post then we can argue the soldier committed no crime because anyone of those 16 people could have been an insurgent / the enemy.


Actually.. no.. he is as innocent of "murder" as osama bin laden... until proven guilty.

But.. he did, of his own volition, volunteer to take part in an aggressive war.. unprovoked invasion of Afghan homeland based on Texas manure..aka "lies".. history says aggressive war is a crime against humanity...see Nuremberg.

So there is that..

Otherwise, not having taken part in the investigation, or witnessed the incident.... I dont know what he may be guilty of..

One this is for sure, by my logic and opinion.. local residence no matter where they live... can dispatch to death aggressive armed uninvited & unwanted foreign occupiers and enjoy moral high ground.

I haven't sold out my opinions to patriotism.. people regardless of cloth on a stick preference are allowed to violently defend their home.. and homeland.

YOU as a "US citizen" defending your home/homeland... are the same to me as an average Afghani villager doing the same. Two strangers I could care less about, living somewhere useless to me, defending themselves against aggression / subjugation.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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i personally believe that this soldier, in particular, needs to get what he deserves. with that being said, for someone to take this person's actions and paint other U.S. soldiers with the same brush is not only offensive, but downright wrong. want the reason we are over there? truly? well, here goes, we are there because of our higher ups wanting something. if they didnt, we would not be there. but its evolved past that now, we are trying to stabilize their country, train their police and military to handle their people. we arent there because we want to occupy and control, and many seem to think, the reason i say this is, with our military force, if we were "evil" as many assume, we could Very well take what we want. push of a button, seriously, think about it, i dont care how many RPGs you have, a big enough bomb, no one left to shoot them. our military isnt weak as many assume, and they arent "dumb animals" my best friend enlisted in the army, he is an engineer, builds bridges, operates a crane, that kind of stuff, does that mean he wants to kill people? thats a two part answer, no and yes, he wants to avoid hurting people. but if his life is in danger, because some extreamist wants to kill him for what he wears, the hell yeah, more power to him to pull the trigger of his M249, and i hope God keeps him safe.
all im saying is, if we wanted control, we would have absolute control there, for one, no one rebels if there is no one left. we arent Nazi, we arent terrorists, and we dont want a puppet country. our troops want out as bad as they want us out, i promise that, do you think, honestly, any of them truly like what they do there? that they want to kill people they themselves dont know, or have a problem with, personally, outside of the fact that they are killing our troops? they dont get rest even here, theres a gang in Kansas City that attacks soldiers on sight, shooting to kill, they get paid for it, what kind of bull is that? honestly, people need to get over preconceived notions prior to having actually known a soldier. try reason before blindly accusing.
(mind you, i dont think we need to be there either.. but thats just my opinion.)
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posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 09:20 AM
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Sentenced to life without possibility of parole.


US soldier Robert Bales has been sentenced to life without possibility of parole for the 2012 killing of 16 Afghan villagers. Staff Sgt Bales, 40, pleaded guilty in June in a deal to avoid the death penalty.
The only possible sentences the six-member jury had to consider was life in prison with the chance of release after 20 years, or life without release.
The military jurors deliberated less than two hours on Friday before reaching a decision. Describing Bales as a "man of no moral compass", Army prosecutor Lt Col Jay Morse had asked the jury in closing arguments to ensure Bales was never released from prison.


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