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US soldier kills Afghan civilians in Kandahar

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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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So when people demand the government get out of the drug business, and to throw out all drug laws because drug use should be a personal choice, all of a sudden becomes a drug problem with people upset because farmers in Afghanistan can grow what they want?

That makes no sense at all.

Are you suggesting the US should go the route of the Taliban and just summarily execute people dealing in drugs? Is the Afghan government incapable of enforcing their domestic laws?\

Or is this just one of those take the opposite position simply because it allows people to complain and blame the US?




posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Xcat...which of those incidents were Afghanistan responsible for?

Surely you don't think Afthanistan committed those acts.



Surely the American service members who were murdered by Afghan soldiers had nothing at all to do with the burning of the Qurans...

Dont play your game with this topic. You wont win.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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I am not sure what you are trying to say
so I'll deal with your confusing post as best I can

The american government IS the Taiban and when they assassinated anwar al walakki and his son via drone they totally negated your argument, as they have done hundreds of times with their drone attacks in pakistan and all the other countries thay use them in where they primarily kill civilians and can't even prove they are killing terrorists, who did anything.
( note the Pat Tillman example I just posted..and he was a genuine American HERO who was about to go public with exactly what I am saying)

In case you missed it:
you might want to check out the NDAA and related, because now they are going to start doing it OPENLY ( not just covertly like they did with gary web ) in the USofA

the Us has been bust several time flying TONS of drugs into the US
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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Excuses, Excuses, Excuses................

Would you say the same for Iraq and Libya too?? Beautiful democracy, Beautiful democracy.............

According to the BBC, over 50 young kids and teenagers have been killed in Iraq – simply because they were dressed and acted like emos.


NATO and U.S.-backed rebel forces in Libya are reportedly engaging in systematic attacks against the black population in what some analysts have called war crimes and even genocide, sparking condemnation worldwide from human-rights groups and officials.


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"Today's conference said the new eastern Libya state, which they named "Barqa", will have its own parliament, police force, courts and capital — Benghazi— to run its own affairs. The plan seeks to revive the pre-Gadhafi system in place from 1951 until 1963, when Libya, ruled by a monarchy, was divided into three states: Tripolitania in the west, Fezzan in the southwest and Cyrenaica in the east — or Barqa, as it was called in Arabic."


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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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Oh yeah and maybe they should do the exact same thing, with those individuals who blew up that British Tank and Killed 6 British Soldiers.

Maybe we can charge them over here in the UK, take them to a stadium in front of thousands and carry out an execution also.

Eye for an eye after all


my Apologies i miss read your sarcasm



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by forklift
Islam has existed on this planet for 1400 years.

Yet it has suddenly become a 'deadly worldwide threat' after 9/11?


Someone make some sense please!


Its always been a threat, long before 9/11...

The main difference between Islam and other religions is Islam seems to be stuck in the 9th century. The bible has a huge list of actions that are punishable by death yet they are no longer enforced. All religions will have those groups who see only in black and white with no compromise.

In Islams case its the 9th century mindset being enforced in a 21st century media environment.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by forklift
Islam has existed on this planet for 1400 years.

Yet it has suddenly become a 'deadly worldwide threat' after 9/11?


Someone make some sense please!


Its always been a threat, long before 9/11...

The main difference between Islam and other religions is Islam seems to be stuck in the 9th century. The bible has a huge list of actions that are punishable by death yet they are no longer enforced. All religions will have those groups who see only in black and white with no compromise.

In Islams case its the 9th century mindset being enforced in a 21st century media environment.


please prove that
I mean in the way you mean
not the way I proved it re money laundnering threatening the bankers back a couple posts ago



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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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If that's the case than we should start with the heart of Islam:

Special relationship between US and Saudi

No?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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Are you blaming US and British Soldiers for the deaths of these teenagers in Iraq?

If you are, than you are misleading, others.

That is the impression I am getting from your posting.



The young people are described as "emos", a term used in the West to refer to youths who listen to rock music and wear alternative clothing.

Reports say that up to 58 teenagers have been beaten to death or shot in the last month, most of them men.

Iraq's interior ministry recently described emos as devil worshippers.

In Iraq, the term emo is also conflated with homosexuality, which although legal is socially and religiously taboo.


BBC Middle East

If you can clear your comment up, if I have got the wrong impression then I apologise in advance.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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The US government repeatedly uses 9/11 as a reason to get support from its people to invade other countries and they are getting it.

"we must kill them before they get us!" "Do you want to live in sharia law!?", lets throw in "Do you want your family//friends getting raped/killed?"

The actual truth is far from it. Why not be defensive if they try to or show signs of invasion, instead with all these pre-emptive strikes/invasion.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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The NDAA fear mongering argument is funny and over used.

Mr. Anwar held dual citizenship- US and Yemeni. His actions alone violated US Immigration and Citizenship laws, meeting the requirements for those actions to surrender his US citizenship. I would suggest you familiarize with that law as its going to play a dominant role in this debate.

Secondly only morons take their children into a war zone. That action says a lot about Islam, where the ones calling the shots have no issues sacrificing innocent non combatants in the name of religion.

Continually trying to blame the US for creating this group or that group makes as much sense as people trying to argue Mossad controls Hamas. The only time I see those argument sis when Hamas / Al Queida / Taliban perform an action that people find immoral and reprehensible.

The groups target the military and its all good and justified. If those 3 groups kill innocent civilians people argue they are working for the CIA / MOssad / etc.

As I stated before all I see you guys do is go after the US, while remaining quiet on the flip side.

Hypocritical much?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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I was trying to show how beautiful democracy has turned out.

50% of the reason of war was to remove terrorists and brutal dictators and 50% was to liberate the people.

Yet we see none.

Bombings are still a daily norm and people are still under brutal laws.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Xcat...which of those incidents were Afghanistan responsible for?

Surely you don't think Afthanistan committed those acts.



Surely the American service members who were murdered by Afghan soldiers had nothing at all to do with the burning of the Qurans...

Dont play your game with this topic. You wont win.


I'm not playing any games, I asked you a simple question.

You justified the invasion of Afghanistan which led to the murder of these 16 civilians on mainstream propaganda. I'm curious as to what your reasoning is in believing that Afghanistan did 911 and all the other examples you listed. Man up or just give up.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Here is a quick snapshot... The passages given are valid. Do you think that in todays day and age a person should be put to death for wearing 2 different types of cloth? Planting different crops side by side etc etc etc.




posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by forklift
reply to post by Xcathdra
 


If that's the case than we should start with the heart of Islam:

Special relationship between US and Saudi

No?


So there is a distinction... Interesting because that view is not extended to the US. That was proven when Afghans killed US service members who had nothing to do with the Quran burning.

I dont see the Islamic world, either in Saudi or in Afghanistan, denouncing the deaths of the US service members who had absolutely NO connection to the Quran incident. I dont see them denouncing the Afghan government for not extending condolences for those deaths. I dont see them denouncing the Taliban for calling for the indiscriminate killing of any foreign troop. I dont see them denouncing the fact they are demanding the US turn over the perpetrator, yet are unwilling to even look for the person responsible for killing the Americans.

Your argument is like the position of the Swiss during WWII. They knew what was going on and remained quiet. Sometimes, remaining quiet makes you no better than the group perpetrating the crime.
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by luciddream
The US government repeatedly uses 9/11 as a reason to get support from its people to invade other countries and they are getting it.

"we must kill them before they get us!" "Do you want to live in sharia law!?", lets throw in "Do you want your family//friends getting raped/killed?"

The actual truth is far from it. Why not be defensive if they try to or show signs of invasion, instead with all these pre-emptive strikes/invasion.


Please support your statement with facts please. I am curious what you are referring to re: 9/11 comment..
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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XCATHDRA
what has that fiction piece got to do with anything I have posted?

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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
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XCATHDRA
what has theat fiction got to do with anything I have posted?


Not fiction - Fact.

Feel free to look the passages up.

My point was all religions have sections that are, for lack of a better term, absolutely insane when viewed by todays standards. My point was those religions have adapted to the change in times, where as Islam has not.

Unless I missed the point of your question about me supporting my comment. If so, please clarify your question and I will try and answer it.
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Afghanistan, namely the Taliban, failed to turn Bin Laden over to the US. They demanded the US provide evidence of Bin Ladens involvement while also demanding that he be turned over to a third party of their choice for prosecution.

Those terms were not acceptable given what occurred. If its your position that the US Government was behind 9/11 you can stop your argument right there because we will not see eye to eye on that point. You will have to demonstrate the US government was also behind the first world trade center attack, the bombing of the USS Cole, the 2 embassies in Africa, the 7/7 attacks in London and the attacks in Spain, the death of school children in Russia, the death of 19 school girls who were burned alive in Saudi Arabia when the Mhutwa refused to let them leave the burning building because they weren't properly dressed.

All topics that are conveniently left to the wayside because it doesn't support the US is behind all the evil in the world argument you guys like to put out.



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