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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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I think the more adequate term to use is, non-human entity. Using the term alien implies that we know that there is life on other planets in our universe. We do not have any conclusive evidence to come to that conclusion, and nor do we have evidence to conclude they visit Earth.

All we know is that, there are craft that appear to be intelligently operated appearing in our reality. That the craft sometimes disappear, and become immaterial or translucent. That the occupants of the craft have been modeled as 'grey' aliens, 'human' resembling and a host of other conceptualized models. That the agenda of these non-human entities is unknown but highly speculated, has something to do with their observed attraction or interest with human beings through abductions and animals through cattle mutilation. This is our modern observance of the UFO phenomena.

The need to understand the shift in the paradigm of the UFO phenomena from ancient times to our current modern model is pertinent to create a better explanation of it all. It's a very dangerous and ignorant mistake to regard the first primary and secondary sources of information on the topic of UFOs, simply because of age. In specific, the Bible who we know whose word is correct provides the answer to it all. It describes why, how and where non-human entities are appearing to man.


1. If aliens are observed visiting and contacting the earth and it's inhabitants, then there is life in our universe.

There is no evidence to support this assumption, yet there is no evidence to deny it.

2. If non-human entities are observed visiting and contacting the earth and it's inhabitants, they are from another dimension.

With our current understanding of the universe, and our most reliable explanatory tools this the most feasible option. This option is also affirmed by what the Bible tells us, making this the correct option.

Here's an actual peer-reviewed paper on fifth dimensiality: Three logical proofs: The fifth dimension reality of space-time

So we have non-human entities that exists in the fifth dimension or the spiritual realm. That's a pretty ambiguous description. Who lives in this realm? Are they all the same? Who out of the spiritual realm is piloting UFOs?

1. "In the beginning the Elohim created the heaven and the earth." - Genesis 1:1
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." - Genesis 1:26

Note the definite article, "...the Elohim (ha-Elohim)." To the author, these are beings known to him that create the author, but he does not state how much effort was shared. Later passages show that God did most of the work. We also know, that God is in heaven, a place separate thin our reality that can only be accessed through death, but heaven is not the exclusive place in it's realm.

Our physical realm consists of all things tangible, and terrestrial.

The spiritual realm or the realm that the Elohim reside in consists of: The sovereign God (YHWH-ELOHIM), the sons of God (BENE-ELOHIM), demons (REPHIAM) , and human spirits.

Again here is some published, peer-reviewed material: Who are the Elohim







posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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There is no evidence to support this assumption, yet there is no evidence to deny it.
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What the hell does that mean?

You have been here longer than me. Don't you know any better?

I was reading your post but it looks like opinionated nonsense. Another example:


All we know is that, there are craft that appear to be intelligently operated appearing in our reality.


We don't know #.
Fix it.
No stars 4 U.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Didn't you already post this in another thread ? .....
www.abovetopsecret.com...


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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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No stars for you too my friend.

Could of been more polite to the OP.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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What do you mean?

That's the most base observation I could come up with for UFOs.

How in the world is that nonsense?

reply to post by gortex
 


Part of it. I didn't want to get too off topic in that thread so I created my own thread to expound upon my ideas.
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by lambros56
reply to post by stewiegriffin
 


No stars for you too my friend.

Could of been more polite to the OP.


No.
Not when it's an opinion posted as being fact.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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All we know is that, there are craft that appear to be intelligently operated appearing in our reality. That the craft sometimes disappear, and become immaterial or translucent. That the occupants of the craft have been modeled as 'grey' aliens, 'human' resembling and a host of other conceptualized models. That the agenda of these non-human entities is unknown but highly speculated, has something to do with their observed attraction or interest with human beings through abductions and animals through cattle mutilation. This is our modern observance of the UFO phenomena.


Who is we??? The UFO community??

I think most of the events you speak of can explained by things originating here....on earth.

None of this is known fact...

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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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In specific, the Bible who we know whose word is correct provides the answer to it all. It describes why, how and where non-human entities are appearing to man.


This is where you loose credibility to me.

From what I gather, a bunch of space aliens that couldn't agree on who was in charge, wrought havoc on humanity, and wanted to be worshiped. Then they took off, cuz, YHWH is nowhere to be found.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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In specific, the Bible who we know whose word is correct provides the answer to it all. It describes why, how and where non-human entities are appearing to man.


This is where you loose credibility to me.

From what I gather, a bunch of space aliens that couldn't agree on who was in charge, wrought havoc on humanity, and wanted to be worshiped. Then they took off, cuz, YHWH is nowhere to be found.


No. That's the exact opposite of what I said.

The Elohim who exist in the spiritual realm but can manifest in the physical realm, created the Earth and man.
The gods assigned to watch over man before the flood took human wives and bore giant children, the Nephillim.
The Nephillim lived to make war and brought terror to mankind.
Yahweh commands the imprisonment of the gods for this.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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So we have non-human entities that exists in the fifth dimension or the spiritual realm

Assumption.....who's to say the 5th dimension is the spiritual realm?
Spiritual Realm my exist outside of what we determine to be dimensions...

It would be an interesting post if it hadnt already been done to death.....search....



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainNemo
reply to post by stewiegriffin
 


What do you mean?

That's the most base observation I could come up with for UFOs.

How in the world is that nonsense?

reply to post by gortex
 


Part of it. I didn't want to get too off topic in that thread so I created my own thread to expound upon my ideas.
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The most base observation that I could come up with is a little more forgiving. Ready for it?

Sometimes people see things in the sky that they can't readily identify.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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You said: In regard to ETs--
"There is no evidence to support this assumption, yet there is no evidence to deny it."

You are confusing science fact with a modern, general knowledge of the world (now universe) that has been made evident to many millions of people with UFO experiences and sightings. Science is, as the old saying goes, "a day late and a dollar short" in its outlook . Virtually every week there is more and more scientific evidence that the universe is not merely a place for humans.

Soon, it will be considered quite stupid to believe that life is not out there. Science will lead many of you by the nose to that conclusion. Actually, it is doing that with every revelation of an earth-like planet, water, etc. I guess you don't go back far enough when the idea of water on another planet was considered a super ridiculous concept suitable only for cheap science-fiction stories?

For you to call them "non-human entities" is evidence of your anthropocentic perspective. Meaning you are making your measure of unknow creatures out there by human standards. That is a rather racist viewpoint, probably prompted by an overlay of religious beliefs you entertain or old scientific views quickly being revised.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Show me conclusive evidence that life exists on other planets.



For you to call them "non-human entities" is evidence of your anthropocentic perspective.


You mentioned that there are millions of UFO experiences. I'm assuming you're referring to the modern era? The UFO phenomena is not modern. It has been experienced by millions of people previously. They wrote down what they saw, they had a different interpretation of them as we do now. You obviously don't understand the morphology of the subject.
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainNemo
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Show me conclusive evidence that life exists on other planets.





As I stated, Science (big S) is doing that very task every day to get you anthropcentrics up to speed.
For you to call them "non-human entities" is evidence of your anthropocentic perspective.


You mentioned that there are millions of UFO experiences. I'm assuming you're referring to the modern era? The UFO phenomena is not modern. It has been experienced by millions of people previously. They wrote down what they saw, they had a different interpretation of them as we do now. You obviously don't understand the morphology of the subject.
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You assumed wrong. I urge you to assume the maxinum, that the beings of the UFO are the ones that created humans from "non-human" types and gave man not only science, but religion also. The religion given as a panacea and a guide to higher states of human intellectual development that science itself did and does not address. Thus, it is not so crazy to say God came in a UFO. It is just slightly a mal-adjustment of the true situation.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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the 5th density is place you hang out after death before you go to your final density. it is also known as the protection density no body can mess with you there. check out some channeled material for further info on the subject



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by stewiegriffin

What the hell does that mean?

...[snip]....

We don't know #.
Fix it.
No stars 4 U.


Hey there Sunshine. Whether or not you agree with the OP's premise for his thread or not, he obviously spent some amount of time putting it together, and seemed to have a good enough grasp of the English language to communicate his ideas in a meaningful manner.

And this productive post was the first response this guy had to read for his efforts???

You could have been a bit kinder.

Nice thread OP. I may not agree with some of it, but anyone with half a brain can see you put some effort into it, and that I can appreciate. Thank you.

As for me ....

I am not a skeptic.
I am not a believer.

So what does that make me? - Rhetorical question. I don't require a response, nor do I want one.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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according to mountains of channeling... no way can non-human entities exist in the 5th density



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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I don't believe in UFO's anyways. I look into the sky, I see mabey over a billion stars, and around those stars are more likely to have 1 or 2 planets around them, it would be inpossible for live not to excist elsewere in the cosmos. But UFO"s coming here to earth, highly dought it. We want to believe so bad that we can see anythink in the sky and says it's a UFO. And if there are UFO's, why can't 1 person just film the dam thing right instead of seeing a blurry blob and the camera shacking everywhere.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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The following article makes some interesting points and about the ancient civilizations of the Egyptians, Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas that refutes the Ancient Aliens hypothesis with one that makes more sense to me.


The ancient civilizations of the Egyptians, Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas shared several intriguing characteristics:

1. They were extremely advanced scientifically and technologically.
2. Animal and human sacrifices were performed at an alarming rate, preceding their demise.
3. They believed they had acquired metaphysical knowledge from the "gods", whom they perceived as coming from the stars and also the subterranean level of the earth.
4. These cultures disintegrated or became abruptly extinct while at the pinnacle of their existance.
www.conspiracyarchive.com...

I don't necessarily agree with all the author's talking points, but generally find it revealing. The full article:

Demons in Alien's Clothing

Accomplished Occultists are very familiar with the true nature of the beings who sometimes pose as E.T.

Aleister Crowley's Lam & the Little Grey Men

Adam Gorightly also expands on Magic(k) and UFOs in the following excellent article.

Ritual Magic, Mind Control and the UFO Phenomenon

Dr. David Clarke presents a very balanced look at the subject in this Fortean Times article:

Flying Saucers From Hell

And some quotes from a diverse group of folk.


"But the UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors. It actually molds itself in order to fit a given culture."
- John Ankerberg, The Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena, p. 10



"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception." 
- Dr. Jacques Vallee, Messengers of Deception, p. 20



"We are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon which is largely indigenous to planet earth." 
- Brad Steiger, [cited in] Blue Book Files Released in Canadian UFO Report, Vol. 4, No. 4, 1977, p. 20



"We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." 
-Terrence McKenna [from a lecture]



"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." 
- Arthur C. Clarke, New York Times Book Review, 07/27/75



"There seems to be no evidence yet that any of these craft or beings originate from outer space." 
-Gordon Creighton, Official 1992 Flying Saucer Review Policy Statement



"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestation and 'possession.'

Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena." 
- Lynn E. Catoe, UFOs and Related Subjects: USGPO, 1969; prepared under AFOSR Project Order 67-0002 and 68-0003



"UFO behaviour is more akin to magic than to physics as we know it... the modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical." 
-Dr. Pierre Guerin, FSR Vol. 25, No. 1, p. 13-14



"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon..." 
- John A. Keel, UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse, p. 299



"A working knowledge of occult science...is indispensable to UFO investigation." 
-Trevor James, FSR Vol. 8, No. 1, p.10


More thought-provoking quotes Here

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