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what do the german and japanese history books say about america

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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by faint1993
I've read that Japan teaches their students a different history than what is truth. You can read about it HERE.

Of course, very few of us know what ACTUALLY happened, so we don't know if the Japanese textbooks or the American textbooks are more accurate.


The "truth" is always written by the winners. Everything else is destroyed and watered down so I am always going to go with the losers to tell the real story from the ground.

Peace




posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 12:47 AM
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We never learned anything about the US , in fact, US history was completely absent in my history books.
This was in the early /mid 70's germany.

Not even much about german history.

Come to think of it, we only really covered russias history from A to Z, and repeated the french revolution three times.

Nothing else, no US or other.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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I lived in Germany until recently and let me tell you, no one is harder on the Germans about their history than the Germans themselves. They teach and teach and teach how horrible the Nazi's were and they study and study and study how they ended up there. They keep the camps in tact so people can go to them and remember what can never happen again.

I also used to live in Japan. They, on the other hand, being the lying bastards they are, pretend it basically didn't happen. I remember visiting Pearl Harbor with a Japanese friend in his 30s and he was completely blown away by what he saw there. He had no idea. They don't teach it. They used to kind of ignore it but back in approximately 2004 they created quite a stir in Asia because they changed their school books to say that the rest of Asia was doing well because of all the assistance the Japanese gave them back in the 30s and 40s. What most people don't know is that Japan killed a lot more people than Hitler. 10s of millions more. So, as you can imagine, the rest of Asia didn't think their new school books were very funny.

After living in Japan for 10 years I can tell you that the Japanese are the most lecherous and lying people you will ever meet in your entire life. Don't let that crap you see in the movies about honor fool you. The honor only comes in to play when they get caught stealing you blind. They are also very elitist and racist. They will do anything, anything, to save face. No matter how bad they have messed up they will lie and lie and lie in order to keep their honor.

So, Germany does study exactly what happened to prevent it from happening again

Japan not only ignores it but they lie about it and attempt to re-brand themselves as heroes.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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I lived in Japan for 10 years. I guarantee they do not teach anything remotely close to what happened.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by faint1993
I've read that Japan teaches their students a different history than what is truth. You can read about it HERE.

Of course, very few of us know what ACTUALLY happened, so we don't know if the Japanese textbooks or the American textbooks are more accurate.


The "truth" is always written by the winners. Everything else is destroyed and watered down so I am always going to go with the losers to tell the real story from the ground.

Peace


Your point may seem to be logical but is entirely flawed in this case. The "losers" were the 10s of millions of people in Asia that were slaughtered by the Japanese. The Japanese eventually "lost" when the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, leading to their surrender. However, they did not have millions of their population decimated in horrible chemical experiments or just plain torture. The Japanese committed wholesale slaughter and executions of people throughout China, Korea, Philippine islands, and so on. The Japanese killed a lot more people than Hitler did.

The continent of Asia is the one that lost, you should listen to their stories vs. a preconceived notion that the winner, America, is somehow always lying. I am sure there is some truth bending going on but after living in Japan for as long as I have and travelling throughout Asia I can guarantee that the Japanese "truth" is all BS.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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As someone who lived in Germany for four years, I can tell you it is not condoned. In fact it is condemned more so than in the US. Nazi symbolism is banned and German are taught from a very young age the horrors of the Nazis. So much so that many grow up ashamed of their history.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by faint1993
I've read that Japan teaches their students a different history than what is truth. You can read about it HERE.

Of course, very few of us know what ACTUALLY happened, so we don't know if the Japanese textbooks or the American textbooks are more accurate.


The "truth" is always written by the winners. Everything else is destroyed and watered down so I am always going to go with the losers to tell the real story from the ground.

Peace


Your point may seem to be logical but is entirely flawed in this case. The "losers" were the 10s of millions of people in Asia that were slaughtered by the Japanese. The Japanese eventually "lost" when the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, leading to their surrender. However, they did not have millions of their population decimated in horrible chemical experiments or just plain torture. The Japanese committed wholesale slaughter and executions of people throughout China, Korea, Philippine islands, and so on. The Japanese killed a lot more people than Hitler did.

The continent of Asia is the one that lost, you should listen to their stories vs. a preconceived notion that the winner, America, is somehow always lying. I am sure there is some truth bending going on but after living in Japan for as long as I have and travelling throughout Asia I can guarantee that the Japanese "truth" is all BS.


I have also been fortunate to live and travel Asia for 8 yrs and agree with your stance on Japan. Most of my time was spent between Korea, Taiwan and Japan and I found that every Country has a "Truth" to their recounting of events as well as fabrications in the name of Nationalism.

Very difficult to find the truth between those Nations when there is so much hatred remaining to this day but the one thing all agree on is the US using the big one was the biggest and most evil event they had ever experienced.

And they are not alone in their thinking as many Western Nations are beginning to understand the real reasons behind the wholesale slaughter perpetrated by the US.

Peace



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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well here is how the "losers" wrote the history.

Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and author of min hametzar

www.nkusa.org...

I can't even excerpt it, you have to read the whole page

but this German Jew tells the tale
and it is as sad tale because the lack of answer from the zionists verifies the Rabbi quite well

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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by faint1993
I've read that Japan teaches their students a different history than what is truth. You can read about it HERE.

Of course, very few of us know what ACTUALLY happened, so we don't know if the Japanese textbooks or the American textbooks are more accurate.


The "truth" is always written by the winners. Everything else is destroyed and watered down so I am always going to go with the losers to tell the real story from the ground.

Peace


Your point may seem to be logical but is entirely flawed in this case. The "losers" were the 10s of millions of people in Asia that were slaughtered by the Japanese. The Japanese eventually "lost" when the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, leading to their surrender. However, they did not have millions of their population decimated in horrible chemical experiments or just plain torture. The Japanese committed wholesale slaughter and executions of people throughout China, Korea, Philippine islands, and so on. The Japanese killed a lot more people than Hitler did.

The continent of Asia is the one that lost, you should listen to their stories vs. a preconceived notion that the winner, America, is somehow always lying. I am sure there is some truth bending going on but after living in Japan for as long as I have and travelling throughout Asia I can guarantee that the Japanese "truth" is all BS.


I have also been fortunate to live and travel Asia for 8 yrs and agree with your stance on Japan. Most of my time was spent between Korea, Taiwan and Japan and I found that every Country has a "Truth" to their recounting of events as well as fabrications in the name of Nationalism.

Very difficult to find the truth between those Nations when there is so much hatred remaining to this day but the one thing all agree on is the US using the big one was the biggest and most evil event they had ever experienced.

And they are not alone in their thinking as many Western Nations are beginning to understand the real reasons behind the wholesale slaughter perpetrated by the US.

Peace


I suppose I could be misinterpreting what you wrote; are you saying that the people on the asian continent believe the US to be evil for dropping the bomb? Or that the Japanese believe the US to be evil for dropping the bomb? I am not clear on who is thinking the US is evil.

That being said, I will assume you are saying that other asians believe the US is evil for dropping the bomb. In my travels I have not found that to be the case. In S. Korea, Thailand, Laos, and especially S. Korea I find that they wouldn't have minded if we sank the entire island of Japan. I have only minimal exposure to the Chinese so I can't say with any degree of certainty how they feel.

Sure, the Japanese don't like the fact that they had the bomb dropped on them. But then again, they were slaughtering 10s of millions of people so...



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by daaskapital
In Japanese history books, they learn that they only made it as far as the Phillipnes in WW2, when in actual fact they made it to New Guinea, really, on Australia's doorstep.


They Bombed Darwin and even Broome which is in Western Australia. Last week was the anniversary of the bombing of Darwin, so I guess a lot of people don't realize Australian Soil was attacked by the Japanese in WW2.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 03:48 AM
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It' good to that you're not taking everything you're taught in school at face value,I have'nt got any answers for you but I just want to give you some kudos for not being a puppet ,well done kid.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 06:04 AM
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I don't really want to get off subject but I have to say this. I read "Books on Tape" one Summer for a teaching college in Oregon. I was reading these History textbooks by a company I think was called Houfton Mifflan or something like that. I started encountering things I even knew were wrong like dates and things that happened. I got a hold of the college and told them that there was a bunch of mistakes in these books and told them where I had found them. They said "Look, you aren't supposed to be proof reading these. Just read what you see in the books" . I couldn't believe it. These were books that students who were either blind or had reading disabilities were learning from so they could teach your kids. I couldn't believe it. I started getting fiction books to read after that.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 07:38 AM
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I'm sure it doesn't matter what country you live in.

Your education is controlled and corrupt



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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as churchill said
"history will be kind to me...for i intend to write it"



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I also think a japanese submarine was captured in Sydney harbor soon after the Darwin and Broome bombings. Very interesting thread,many of those in the war have taken the truth to their graves.Some I know (or knew) don't want to remember or talk about it,they thought they were doing the right thing at the time,now they wish it had been different,very different.I would imagine that many men(and woman) in all countries involved would think that too,I would certainly wish the truth was told in all history books but in hiding their sense of shame,some people hide,lie or outrightly deny things,others told their children the realities in the hope that history would never repeat.I have several friends whose German parents fled to Australia and to ever discuss the war was absolutely taboo.Interesting that they discuss it in Germany.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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You pretty sum up what I learned in school back then. especially the japan war and atomic bombs.
star for you



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by ninjas4321
in my history class we just got done with studing world war 2 and i was wondering what do the german history books say about the war does it condone natzi germay or tell a diffrent story? and for the japanese i woud really know what there point of veiw is on the wars and whether they think america was wrong for dropping the atomic bomb

ps if you coud tell me about russias point of veiw on the cold war that woud be grate


It's absurdly childish and insulting to think German history books would condone Nazi Germany. Japanese History books greatly down-play their war crimes and true part in WW2, and they do not view the atomic bombs as justified, partly for this reason.

Of course you know U.S. history books don't tell the truth about the U.S. so it's not unique to Japan.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Take a look at this trailer. The film is absolutely phenomenal... Had me thinking about it for more than a week afterwards. There is a scene in it where the students and teacher are discussing history, their views on Germany's role, Hitler, and the Americans. The film is in German, so you'll have to read subtitles, but it's well worth it.



The film is based on a true story. A California school in the sixties, I think. Available on Netflix at the moment.
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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Hey there is a law in germany which you can be jailed for being a revisionist on denying the holocausts history as it is told. I wonder why?

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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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and whether they think america was wrong for dropping the atomic bomb

I don't know about you but I don't need to read a history book to know dropping an atomic bomb on people is wrong.
Japanese people think it was wrong also, if one was dropped on America wouldn't we think it was wrong?
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