The great misunderstanding

reply to post by Minori


Double post. Just so we are clear, no one, no not one, can persuade me to believe that God does not exist. I believe that God is love but that He is also more than that, He thinks for hisownself and is not forced to do anything he does not want to do and He does not force others to believe in him or obey him. He has a full range of emotions and is rightous and just. Who are we to tell God what we do or don't deserve, if I get to heaven it'll be because God felt I deserved it, and if I go to hell, well I believe that I deserve it fully. The King of Kings has a Kingdom and like anything, there are distinguinshing factors as to what is right and wrong. It's when we go against our conscience that our conscience gets seared, and when we can no longer distinguish good and evil, is when deception has taken root.

reply to post by Minori


Christopher Moore will solve that problem for ya, just kidding but he sure put a lot of research into his book, "Lamb". There are SOO many folks throughout history whose early years aren't well documented. I mean, will you disregard all of the things Jesus did and said as an adult for the mere fact that you aren't privy to the details of his teenage years? How would you feel if all of your credibility was in question because we don't know about your teenage years? Is it essential knowledge for any of us to question who you are today because of who you were when you didn't know then what you know now? The reason I am assured of Jesus and God today is because of my experiences, in youth and in adulthood, I could write a book explaining all I've been through but what I really need to do in order to live is to do the will of the God I believe in. And believe me, even in my youth I thought about writing a book but I know life isn't about me blowing my own horn, it's about being led by the Holy Spirit into all truth. There are preachers I have disagreed with in the past and there are preachers I may disagree with in the future, but I base it all on whether they stay true to the teachings of Jesus and don't rely on half-truths. My obligation to others is not to give them a big wet smooch on the butt telling others to go and do likewise, neither is it to sit idle while deception runs rampant, nor am I willing to aid those who work against God through half truths and deception and outright lies. I'm still learning but these days it's more of a feeling of "I need to DO, and not just think about doing, and not just learn how to do, though they are necessary."

reply to post by Wonders


I have always said my life would make a great book!! My expereinces and what led me to who I am today are more then interesting. I actually have tried putting my life in words, but my mind moves faster then my pen can write, so I stopped writing and I started to listen. One day things justed started to "click" and it has not stopped. My journey started with a tree, that led me to the Tree of LIfe, and then one thing led to another then another and I am still going. The amazing thing about it is everything seems to come full circle, I still can spot the hand of the divine in all things spiritual, I have said it before same guy, different costume, different name.

I was baptized Catholic and never thought to look outside my faith, but when I did I learned and expereinced some awesome things. That being said it did not make me loose faith, it did the opposite, it made it stronger. As it made me stronger it also made me more alert to things. My perspective changed, I started to see things in a different light, I stepped out of the shade and right into the spleandor of my father. I have that need to do feeling as well, and I thank you because I never could put words with the feeling, but you have hit it on the head. I guess I felt I needed to share my opinion, maybe hoping to light a couple fires in a world that is blanketed in shade, and held down with half truths and spiritual restraint.

PLPL

reply to post by Wonders


Excellent point.

I do believe that you unintentionally touched on what the OP stated. It is hard to fathom unconditional love in the mess that we live in - which is why Jesus (or whatever you believe his actual name is/was) is the prime example that we should look to.

How many people would die for (wether it be a delusion or not) people who were spitting in their face and physically nailing them to a piece of wood?

The misinterpretation , in my opinion , rest with that alone. Jesus is a spiritual guide to how God wants to commune with us.

God's love is unconditional. Those who turn away from him - not exactly from a religious perspective - turn away from love.

The other day I realized that we are indeed living in the end of times. When they say Christians will be persecuted - I have come to understand that it mean those who have love for humanity and what an understanding of right and wrong are , will be persecuted.

Those who turn from love and want hate, will be rewarded with joining their master who they (intentionally or not) follow.

The Devil/ Lucifer / Satan..and so on and so forth..
It's not God punishment , but those who revel in destructions reward.

As quoted by the OP

The creator knowing that we were all born with free will also knew that we were being led astray not by our own choosing per say but by the governments and religious sanctions of that time as well as the constant instigating of the devil and all that he stands for. Having unconditional love for ALL of us he sent his only son to educate us and teach us so that we may know the truth about our father and all he encompasses. In one sentence he has given us the answer, the true path that leads to him:

Sounds excatly what are Goverment and religions are doing us today. Jesus always said he would come back, also known as the Second Coming, maybe that time is soon? I've always believed if this were to happen it would happen in our Generation, why I believe this is because of the signs of the end of the world written in the Bible iself not to mention all the prophecies that's already been fulfilled. For some reason, I've always felt that this Generation I am living in will be the time that we will see the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Yes, I believe in Jesus Christ.

I don't blame people for not beliving in God because of what goes on in our world and our ancestors after ancestors after ancestors forgot somewhere along the lines to pass down to their children to pass down to their children that God does in fact exsist but somewhere along the lines in our past generations many people stopped believing and didn't think it was something that needed to be passed down. Simply put, many people have lost faith but there are still people on this planet that believes in God but many choose not to speak up. I'm not religious or anything, but I respect every single person on this planet dispite what they believe in whether or not they are religious or aithest. I used to be an aithest at one point in my life.

Some say the world would be a better place without religion, some say it won't and there are others like me who are unsure of how the world would have turned out if religion hasn't been introduced. The aithest side of me, always believed that the bible was written to control it's people because without it more sins would be commited because people wouldn't have anything to fear after they "die", the fear of going to hell is what hold many people back from commiting such horrible acts. I'm sure whoever came up with writing the Bible did it with good intentions but didn't know just how far people would really go to defend their belif system which often makes people hypicrical and judgmental.

But, the Bible has prophecies inside of it which predicted many events in our history and will also continue to predict more events in our future.

Take one for example, about sex and how it will be everywhere around us. I can't remember what it said excatly but how did people know this thousands of years ago? Look at our woman today, look how they dress and look how we have urges to just want to bang them, I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about especially the younger woman. The tight pants they wear, the skirts, the makeup and all that stuff but what's even worse is it's not our fault that our generation of young people think that way; it's all because of the porn industry the changed the way we see woman today and I always believed the porn industry is one of the many things the Devil himself is behind, making companies to further courrpt the human souls.

I believe in Jesus because I believe in his word and his teachings. I'm not perfect, but I accept wherever it is I may go whether it will be hell or heaven. I've made mistakes in my life because I've lost my way, and I'm here now trying to be a better person. I'm not religious nor am I an aithest but I have views from both sides so I can keep an open mind and understand things better from both perspectives but regardless of what I believe in, I'll always choose to believe in Jesus because of just how accurate the Bible really is. It's astonishing really.

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by Wonders

 

Excellent point.

I do believe that you unintentionally touched on what the OP stated. It is hard to fathom unconditional love in the mess that we live in - which is why Jesus (or whatever you believe his actual name is/was) is the prime example that we should look to.

How many people would die for (wether it be a delusion or not) people who were spitting in their face and physically nailing them to a piece of wood?

The misinterpretation , in my opinion , rest with that alone. Jesus is a spiritual guide to how God wants to commune with us.

God's love is unconditional. Those who turn away from him - not exactly from a religious perspective - turn away from love.

The other day I realized that we are indeed living in the end of times. When they say Christians will be persecuted - I have come to understand that it mean those who have love for humanity and what an understanding of right and wrong are , will be persecuted.

Those who turn from love and want hate, will be rewarded with joining their master who they (intentionally or not) follow.

The Devil/ Lucifer / Satan..and so on and so forth..
It's not God punishment , but those who revel in destructions reward.

Unintentionally? What did you think my intentions were? You say my point is excellent, and then tell me that my point is invalid? o.0
Since you are so sure that God's love is unconditional then tell me, what makes God's love so unconditional if those that God loves are THROWN into outer darkenss and into the lake of fire, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth? Yes we are living in the end times, but persecution is, has been, and will be directed at God's people. Those who have faith like a mustard seed know that God corrects and punishes those whom he loves, and Jesus died on the cross because that was God's will for him, Jesus didn't WANT to die on the cross, he WANTED to follow God's will. Luke 22:42 "Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine."

reply to post by Wonders


to learn more about Jesus' specific teachings on hell (or lack there of) , as well as some other debateble translation for the word "hell" in the KJV Bible you can visit here:
www.tentmaker.org...

As far as Jesus dying on the cross - let his will be done. God's will is Love. Jesus willingly died (Jesus will is God's will) for humans sins.

By deduction Gods will occured. Love triumphed - as it always does...

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by Wonders

 

to learn more about Jesus' specific teachings on hell (or lack there of) , as well as some other debateble translation for the word "hell" in the KJV Bible you can visit here:
www.tentmaker.org...

As far as Jesus dying on the cross - let his will be done. God's will is Love. Jesus willingly died (Jesus will is God's will) for humans sins.

By deduction Gods will occured. Love triumphed - as it always does...

Thank you, but I have to wonder, why don't you think that the bible is sufficient enough to teach me about hell? So far as I was aware, this thread was not brought about for the sake of debating hell's credibility or translations thereof, but about God's love and His will for us to love and serve Him only.

reply to post by Wonders


It was. And you asked if god loves someone why would he condemn them to hell.

You brought hell into the equation.

or did i miss something?

sorry

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by Wonders

 

It was. And you asked if god loves someone why would he condemn them to hell.

You brought hell into the equation.

or did i miss something?

sorry

Is that all that matters to you?

Originally posted by Wonders

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by Wonders

 

It was. And you asked if god loves someone why would he condemn them to hell.

You brought hell into the equation.

or did i miss something?

sorry

Is that all that matters to you?

what hell?

No, I want to be healthy and happy and I want everyone else to be the same.
I think that is the simple explanation of love.

I also believe that if people understood that Christianity is supposed to be practiced and studied as the actions and words of Jesus Christ (new testament) it would be understood that he is the mesiah, or at the very least, a revolutionary worthy of investigation.

Originally posted by femalepharoe

Originally posted by Wonders

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by Wonders

 

It was. And you asked if god loves someone why would he condemn them to hell.

You brought hell into the equation.

or did i miss something?

sorry

Is that all that matters to you?

what hell?

No, I want to be healthy and happy and I want everyone else to be the same.
I think that is the simple explanation of love.

I also believe that if people understood that Christianity is supposed to be practiced and studied as the actions and words of Jesus Christ (new testament) it would be understood that he is the mesiah, or at the very least, a revolutionary worthy of investigation.

Hell imo is a fair and just punishment that Jesus described. And I agree with you in that Christianity is supposed to be practiced and studied, that He is the Messiah worthy of investigation, because remember, Jesus said, "Don't begin until you count the cost."
I think anyone with some insight would see that it is the life that Jesus lives that matters, His three days in the heart of the earth was a sign to this wicked generation who sought a sign.

reply to post by Minori


I believe consciousness is like a flower (the flower of life) and it blooms...

the great misunderstand is the Nephilim and also the symbol which is (burned) into Temple of Abydos has origins predating written history... and there may have been a battle going on, as it is today.

it's the great mystery... never stop looking up! we've seen what man can do to Earth all thru history.

Originally posted by Minori
I was not saying that Jesus is not the way. I was saying that all true spiritual paths lead to him.

In the end, all paths lead back to the beginning.

reply to post by teapot


Exactly my point ....

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

PLPL

reply to post by SisyphusRide


Thank you,
I needed that

PLPL