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There is no right or wrong religion
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Minori
There is no right or wrong religion
That right there is where you are wrong. You do not need religion, but you do need Jesus the Christ. You do not have to step one foot in a church ever in your life, but you do need him or you are a walking dead man. Jesus railed at the Sanhedrin and criticized pharisees because they obeyed a tradition of men, followed God as according to their ways and not his. There is a right way and a wrong way and any other way than through Christ is the wrong way.edit on 10-3-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
What does that mean these days, "Thanks for posting!!" ? You don't seem thankful and yet you say thanks. Most folks look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart. I would rather be around athiests who seek the truth than "spiritual" people babbling on with their lies.
Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Wonders
I would rather be in a room with people who have faith in something, then in a room with those with none.
Thanks for posting!!
PLPL
Let me remind you that God hated Esau. There are sheep and there are goats, there is wheat and there are tares, we may all share the world right now, but one day we will be separated. When people go to hell, it's because God (God is love) has standards. I could go further but I hope you get the idea.
Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Wonders
I guess it depends on your definition of unconditional love. I was not aware that there were standards placed on emotions. What a person feels is something only they can express. What you consider to be love may be completely different then the next persons. Unconditional love looks past all faults, no matter what.
PLPL
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Minori
There is no right or wrong religion
That right there is where you are wrong. You do not need religion, but you do need Jesus the Christ. You do not have to step one foot in a church ever in your life, but you do need him or you are a walking dead man. Jesus railed at the Sanhedrin and criticized pharisees because they obeyed a tradition of men, followed God as according to their ways and not his. There is a right way and a wrong way and any other way than through Christ is the wrong way.
is a good indicator of this. Are you trying to say I do not have a Spirit, or a Soul, unless I am a card carrying member of the Jesus Cult? You did know that his bones have been found, right here on Earth?
You do not have to step one foot in a church ever in your life, but you do need him or you are a walking dead man.
I don't agree with a lot of what you have said, what I do agree with you upon is that there are many contradictions in the bible, and it doesn't make me a non-believer either, in fact, it gives creedence to what Jesus taught all the more. I agree with Jesus when he says that everyone who sins is a slave to sin, now a slave is not a part of the family... Jesus asked, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers? Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!"
Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Wonders
I applaud those with faith in their religions or beliefs. I can not help but think that there is one two many contradictions in the bible. That does not make me a non-believer. In a world that is powered by greed and control and deception you would think that people of a spiritual nature, regardless of what it is, could at least agree that there are misconceptions and contradictions. Jesus said "seek and ye shall find", that applied to everyone, not just a select few. It is not me that is doubting his words, I have faith that he will indeed reveal himself to anyone who in true intention is looking for him, I say this with confidence because I myself have found him, and others who have found him can confirm there is no denying the grace of God. In the end it is not about how we got there, it is the fact that we did.
PLPL
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Minori
There is no right or wrong religion
That right there is where you are wrong. You do not need religion, but you do need Jesus the Christ. You do not have to step one foot in a church ever in your life, but you do need him or you are a walking dead man. Jesus railed at the Sanhedrin and criticized pharisees because they obeyed a tradition of men, followed God as according to their ways and not his. There is a right way and a wrong way and any other way than through Christ is the wrong way.edit on 10-3-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
I was not saying that Jesus is not the way. I was saying that all true spiritual paths lead to him. If an individual is truly seeking their creator, not just conforming to what they were born into, they will find him. That seems to be the problem lately, God has put faith in us , and yet we seem to have lost faith in him. How many of us can actually say that they made the choice to follow Christ?? How many of us can say that they have challenged their current beliefs. How many of us can actually say that we sought him out and found him?? Something needs to change, the old ways of thinking do not work anymore. What matters more, the fact that a person communicates with God, or what name their God has?? That is why many turn away from Christianity they have made God out to be a mean monster, and not the loving father that he truly is.
PLPL
Originally posted by Wonders
Let me remind you that God hated Esau. There are sheep and there are goats, there is wheat and there are tares, we may all share the world right now, but one day we will be separated. When people go to hell, it's because God (God is love) has standards. I could go further but I hope you get the idea.
Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Wonders
I guess it depends on your definition of unconditional love. I was not aware that there were standards placed on emotions. What a person feels is something only they can express. What you consider to be love may be completely different then the next persons. Unconditional love looks past all faults, no matter what.
PLPL
Please point out where you agree and where you disagree, with biblical reasoning to back it up. Please try not to mince your words and please clarify whether or not you are saying that Jesus LIED to others. You really should read the bible. BUT since you haven't already, and are still shoveling this drivel towards strangers, I'll just leave you with this: www.letgodbetrue.com...
Originally posted by apushforenlightment
Originally posted by Wonders
Let me remind you that God hated Esau. There are sheep and there are goats, there is wheat and there are tares, we may all share the world right now, but one day we will be separated. When people go to hell, it's because God (God is love) has standards. I could go further but I hope you get the idea.
Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Wonders
I guess it depends on your definition of unconditional love. I was not aware that there were standards placed on emotions. What a person feels is something only they can express. What you consider to be love may be completely different then the next persons. Unconditional love looks past all faults, no matter what.
PLPL
Just beceause someone is filled with ego and is not ready for the next stage do not mean god hates them. He might dislike their behaviour and realise that they are not ready but that do not equal hate. God have to take care of all his souls and letting souls go where they do not yeet fit in will not be fair to either the souls there and the soul put there. Every life has lessons and learning that you have to fix what you break and take responsability is also one of gods lessons. There is a secret about hell/evolution that even Jesus told one of his desiple when he had a problem with eternal damnation (according to nonbiblical sources). Judgement to hell is not forever and have never been. But that should not be told to the people since then they will keep on sining.
From my point of view. All will in the end be part of the whole again in harmony.edit on 11-3-2012 by apushforenlightment because: spellchecking