HC's Ancient Aliens MINDBLOWING episode "The NASA Connection"., page 16

Originally posted by Asertus
reply to post by ConspiracyFearist22
Sources (some cited already):

Brookings Report: Text of the report.
Apollo 11/Orion: Stellarium
El-Baz: NASA History Office
Face on Mars: Mission documentation
NASA/DoD: Text of The Space Act, contemporary reporting.
Von Braun: Biog.history.msfc.nasa.gov...
Kleinknecht: Biog www.collectspace.com...
White Sands: Official website www.wsmr.army.mil...
Kennedy speech: Rice U. explore.rice.edu...
Bara's final comment: Can't prove a negative. Trust me.

Trust you..
Like we trust our leaders.
Like we trust or parents sayin "I have no money for candy" when INFACT
they have on their bankaccount.
Like we trust the bankers.
Like we trust Big Oil companys.
Like we trust Big Pharma.

Id say Naive Thinking.

reply to post by Harte

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We've not spoken before on the forum that's why you probably didn't understand why I used Drake's equation in an argument and moved to the possibility of Alien visitaion. In my previous posts (in an other thread) I've discussed that given the odds of technological advanced races in the universe their advances in technology would also change the possibility of them findind us and coming here. It's my mistake for delving in to the argument without re-stating my previous point.

And you are welcome to explain why I seem to understand the term "fact"

Is it not a fact that we don't have actual proof of E.T. visitation?
Is it not a fact that there a great deal of unexplained things which could very well be explained with E.T visitation among other equally likely theories (like weird radar recordings and pilot testimonials)?
Is it not a fact that even one of the claims of visitation is true, then it means we have been visited?

If you are offended by my "big man in the sky" comment I suggest you to watch the "Invention of Lying" by Richard Gervais. Brilliant lad.

Originally posted by bilb_o
reply to post by Harte

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We've not spoken before on the forum that's why you probably didn't understand why I used Drake's equation in an argument and moved to the possibility of Alien visitaion. In my previous posts (in an other thread) I've discussed that given the odds of technological advanced races in the universe their advances in technology would also change the possibility of them findind us and coming here. It's my mistake for delving in to the argument without re-stating my previous point.

I don't think that the odds of some advanced technological alien society can be calculated.

You have to remember that species, all species, eventually go extinct.

Maybe they rose and fell before life even came about here on Earth.

Plus just because a society is advanced, that doesn't mean that they would necessarily find some means of circumventing what we know factually about speed limits in the universe.

Also, as I've pointed out many times before, even given instantaneous travel, if an alien was tooling around from star to star and only spent five minutes in each solar system to check it for life, after 650 thousand years, that alien would have visted only half of the solar systems in this particular galaxy.

Obviously, 5 minutes isn't really gonna be long enough for him to check for intelligent life, so multiply that vast amount of time by whatever number you think he would need.
I don't know about you, but this tells me that we would be quite hard to find, and almost certainly wouldn't be found randomly.

Originally posted by bilb_o
And you are welcome to explain why I seem to understand the term "fact"

For example, this so-called "fact":

There is a great deal of evidence of unknown events, encounters, physical structures which could be explained by terresterial AND extraterresterial explanations with equal probability. (meaning the explanation has an equal likelihood of being terresterial and extreterresterial = we don't know what the heck it is)

"Equal likelihood" is completely bogus. I mean, if seemingly hard to explain structures could be explained with "equal likelihood" by terrestrial and extraterrestrial explanations with equal probability for each, then you could replace "extraterrestrial" with anything you want: magic, ESP, miracles, whatever.

Since there is no evidence for any extraterrestrial intervention in the past, then you might as well say "it was done by the Loch Ness Monster." The evidence for both cases is exactly the same.
Note I'm talking specifically about intervention in the past here and not about lights some folks may or may not have seen in the sky in the present age.

Originally posted by bilb_o
If you are offended by my "big man in the sky" comment I suggest you to watch the "Invention of Lying" by Richard Gervais. Brilliant lad.

No, man, I'm not offended by that. I guess I'm a faithless heathen.

Harte

Some helpful information here:

99 Frequently Asked Questions {FAQs} about astronauts and UFOs
jamesoberg.com...

reply to post by Miccey

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the defensiveness of those who believe in aliens may as well be that of a Christian.... that's what I mean. It's as though it's a new religion, and Steven Spielberg fuelled it!

What am I? I think therefore I AM!

reply to post by jpzaino

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Huh??

The government is pushing TV shows about UFOS...

No, TV is a business designed to make money by selling advertising......and increased popularity of a program means higher fees can be charged for that advertising.

Therefore, the HC is simply capitalizing on the current frenzy in many, many forms of entertainment, and "UFO" lore.

As are many, many other Science Fiction media entertainment venues...(such as Hollywood).

Heck, I have an idea for a motion picture script involving aliens!! Now, all I have to do is learn to practice the craft of writing it!

reply to post by bilb_o

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Taken from www.angelfire.com... - and written by
"To fully delve into this line of reasoning, you first need to be familiar with two related items: Drake's Equation (Greenbank Equation in Britannica) and The Fermi Paradox. Drake's Equation is a scientific way of guessing how many intelligent civilizations might exist in a particular galaxy at any one time. (I use the word "guessing" rather than "estimating", because estimating implies that different groups of people using the same starting point ought come up with answers that are close in magnitude. Such is not the case here.) The Fermi Paradox results from believing that Drake's Equation provides a solution that at any one time for a galaxy is greater then or equal to one. If even one predecessor civilization more than five or so million years older then our own had developed space travel, there would (or should) not only be abundant evidence of them in the skies, but they would (or should) physically be here by now. They are not here. That's the crux of The Fermi Paradox. If you believe that intelligent life is common, then you run into the difficult problem of trying to explain where the extraterrestrials are. Whereas the absence of evidence isn't usually evidence, the absence of evidence in this case where there should be overwhelming presence of evidence is at the least, worrisome."

Science is only 100% accurate at this moment, it can be disproven at anytime with another mathematical formula or another combination of elements will weaken today's theories in an instant. Science is theory put to practice until it can be replaced by another theory. My comment was loaded in that scientists think aliens are real, and they can be proven, thus alien worship is the religion of the moment, as science will endeavor to disprove all other religions or rather the existance of God, it has set out to prove this one thing to be true religion.

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