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Geoengineering - caught in the act?

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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by pianopraze
It is hilarious that they are using "chemtrails"... they really don't want people researching things like geoengineering... they would rather make fun of chemtrails so they try to force it to that mold.


Well that is true I did a thread on NASA and the US NAVY spraying barium and other stuff into LEO, in effect rocket chemical trails, that actually documented it from NASA and the NAVY and they did use HAARP in these tests

I called the thread "NAVY and NASA - The REAL "Chemtrails"

Yes I used "Chemtrails" at the time because I knew it would send a call to the cabal
but all that it got me was that it was dumped into skunkworks despite the official documentation.

That word really jerks their chain
Fortunately a more understanding mod moved it again to the Geo Engineering area. You might want to look at it if you haven't already

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So yeah we need to drop that word and keep the focus on Geo-engineering
Even 'global dimming' gets tons of hits



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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I agree with the post by Iwinder.

The OP has done an excellent job gathering this evidence and creating this thread. S&F

Thank you for documenting and posting these events PianoPraze. Given that this was an unexpected spur of the moment recording of these planes and their trails. You've done a very thorough and detailed job.


I think this is very convincing evidence that supports the existence of non-commercial planes making persistent contrails in weather that is not conducive to persistent contrail formation. Surely it all fits the profile of proposed ideas of geoengineering and testing and techniques of climate / weather modification.

The additional supporting evidence provided by BurnTheShips , also an excellent job BTW, clearly fills in some of the blanks as far as who, why and how. This corroborating evidence supports the theory that the OP has indeed caught and photographed planes in the act of Geoengineering (or at the very least doing a test of it).

The questions of when, where, how and why have all been answered in his thread.

We still need to gather more evidence to these questions above.

But the only real question that still remains now is "what" are they using. Which is a question that most likely has more than just one answer.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by ProudBird
So far, the majority of the claims are in the form of mis-identified contrail photos and videos....and all of the many proposals and concepts that are being discussed, published, cogitated over about "geoengineering".....and in every one of those cases, it is always in the future tense.


Most military advances we here about as proposals and concepts for the future... then suddenly they declassify stuff and we find out that these proposals and concepts for the future have already been done and are now already obsolete.

This has always been the case with government information on projects. By the time we see the proposals and concepts for the future, its already old news


What was the date on that chemtrail patent that AllseeingI was made hero for finding at ATS?

oh yeah here it is
Patented March 26, 1991

This is a really good thread... needs to be bumped so all that hard work, research and documents doesn't get covered up by the Cabal


Chemtrails: US Patent #5003186: Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding For Reduction Of Global Warming
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Hey ATG... remember THIS post of yours?


Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Barium is used in a wide array of military projects involving aerial dispersion


such as what?


Such as THIS

NAVY and NASA - The REAL "Chemtrails"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It involves NASA and the US NAVY seeding LEO with Barium and other chemicals and it involves the use of HAARP and EISCAT



Lots of official documentation... you really should read it, but I know you won't








Rockets and space shuttles releasing aerosols and charged dust


Now try to debunk THAT one... yeah they are NOT "chemtrails" Just trails of chemicals seeded into LEO


Originally posted by ProudBird
So far, the majority of the claims are in the form of mis-identified contrail photos and videos....and all of the many proposals and concepts that are being discussed, published, cogitated over about "geoengineering".....and in every one of those cases, it is always in the future tense.


Well this stuff by NASA and the NAVY is NOT future... it was...


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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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This post has no bearing on the point of the OP...does it?

Stuff being released in LEO. We know about that. In fact, the reason we know is because it's made public knowledge.

Compare that fact to the reality of so-called "geoengineering". There are forms of SRO being implemented...passive types, low-key "projects" such as white roofs on buildings, planting certain plants, other sorts of ground-based activities.

But, all of the squawking about so called "chemtrails" (**) is just that....noise.

(**)Meaning, the typically misinformed and misidentified normal airplane contrails. In our atmosphere, either the high level of the troposphere, in the tropopause, or low level of the stratosphere. Contrails which, though of course contain the normal remnants of the burning of fossil fuels (just as the internal combustion engine in your car or truck, etc, produces), the vast majority of what is there (and, the ONLY visible portion) is the water ice.

Yet, this simple fact has led to such hand-wringing and waste of time and effort by some who, whilst well-meaning, are victims of a deception, a hoax and myth perpetrated upon them by a select few, originally. Others have taken up the mantle, since then....because they know a good gravy train to profits when they see one!



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Perhaps you all should stop quoting the rules and get on topic.

Anything else will get you PB'd.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon
Hey ATG... remember THIS post of yours?


Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Barium is used in a wide array of military projects involving aerial dispersion


such as what?


Such as THIS

NAVY and NASA - The REAL "Chemtrails"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It involves NASA and the US NAVY seeding LEO with Barium and other chemicals and it involves the use of HAARP and EISCAT


So.....1 or 2 purposes...is that what you consider a "wide array"?? Not me - but that's jsut a amtter of opinion I guess.

And still nothing at all to do with chemtrails - glad to see you are using scientific and verifiable sources to show that there are no programmes spreading barium around from airliners - welcome to the truth



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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Yes, indeed zorgon:


Well that is true I did a thread on NASA and the US NAVY spraying barium and other stuff into LEO, in effect rocket chemical trails, that actually documented it from NASA and the NAVY and they did use HAARP in these tests


And a well-researched thread it was.

However.....little bearing to the OP of this particular thread, since your research was into the activities in LEO. This is well outside the realm of airliners, and contrails.

And, of course HAARP had an ability to be used to study in these experiments, since HAARP focuses on the ionosphere...which is also in space, and well above the heights where airliners fly. And, the ionosphere is where they "barium" releases took place.

BTW....when it is in LEO, it's moving along at a pretty fast clip, wouldn't you agree? This means, if it de-orbits, it will mostly burn up, due to the friction...yes?

Perhaps you recall, from your thread (since you did the work on it)....just how much, in terms of quantities, were actually released, in total? Was it anywhere near millions of pounds?

This is important in assessing just how much "risk" to people on the ground there may have been.......



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Oh! THAT nickel.
Nickel carbonyl to modify the Ionospheric reflectivity over Arecibo in 1962?

Listening to Russian submarine communications no doubt.

Guess ionospheric layers could have been considered a "plane"?



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Not really.
Hit the search button and see how many times the same argument has come up for Chemtrails and see the same suspects for and against this non existing phenom.(sneer)

I'm included.

I personally believe they exist and are not a contrail by definition.(Please don't respond with the defintion of a contrail. Been there done that. We get that point. Hit the search button)


I believe they are an additional manmade product by design,released at high altitudes, not excess vapor from a plane.

I believe they can control weather, block satellite signals to earth, or cause health issues.
Not necessarily in that order.

I have absolutley no proof, but I question Geoengineering, and in my heart I believe that HAARP as a weapon is not good combining weather manipulation for the defense of the U.S. and weather changes
I believe that.

I also believe that other countries have figured out how to manipulate weather for good or bad, but can't quite "control it" yet, so weather manipulation can go amuck. (New weather BUT we only have 200 years of recorded weather so that's not a really accuarte guage)

There are numerous sources to confirm or deny these allegations.
I have never gotten sick from a 3 day spray.
I tend to think they (chemtrails) have something to do with Ultraviolet rays and the sun,verses poisoning us.

As I tell my kids everyday, "Yep GMO,Flouride,Poison Water, Fracking is not working,but we're living longer then the history of mankind" "We'll fricking get it right"

I'll never look at a skyline and be told I don't understand the difference between a contrail and what I don't understand in science. It's beyond rubbish.

When they spray they spray. When they don't they don't.

My position has always been, and will not change is, " who and why?"

It's extremly evident here in Lake Tahoe when they don't spray and when they do.



My family owns a P58, A 78 English Gnat, A Mustang, A Bonanza, a couple of Biplanes and fly the skies commercially for a living (Not me, I hate flying.)
They're in Chino so I can back it up in second. (You pilots know....Tony O)

I JUST want to know at what point are we going to be told WTF are they coating or spraying us with and why?

Give me a fricking answer and we can go back to they don't exist.

Very frustrating topic. Call the Contrail anything you want. There's something going on.

It's NOT the same. Period.

Thanks for letting me vent.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Maybe I've missed this point already in this thread or others, but has the OP, or anyone else, traced where any non-military airplanes seen making trails in the sky happen to have landed, what airport / field, then discosvered who owns those planes, what companies, and then to find out what those pilots were formally tasked to do?

The footage of trails in the sky is undeniable, but there's a lot of speculation until you go to the actal pilots or owners of those planes and find out who they are and what they were doing.

If there were that many planes in the sky at one time, someone on the ground must know what's going on, even the flight control people might know of some exercise or event for that night.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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I never stated that every line in the sky is from geoengineering. But when I see dozens of lines dispersing into almost complete coverage of the sky, those are not contrails. I am far from being ignorant on this subject as well.
I can go back 10 years ago, and don't remember the sky ever looking like is does now after multiple jet aircraft
crisscrossing the sky. To say the jet engines are different, and the jet traffic greater doesn't get it with me. Someone
in the know will eventually leak the truth, it's just a matter of time. You're welcome to your opinion, even if it is wrong. I have been on this earth a long time, and have many years to compare it to. And the spraying is always before a major weather change, or front. I have made a mental note of it, and the weather forecast for that day. And yes, I will continue to keep the disinformation agents in check. The original OP did a heck of a job presenting this issue, and is to be commended. If a plane flew over your house, and sprayed it, you would still
contend it was something else.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Beyond
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I never stated that every line in the sky is from geoengineering. But when I see dozens of lines dispersing into almost complete coverage of the sky, those are not contrails.


Why not??

contrails have been known to do exactly that since at least 1940 - Antoinse de Saint-Exuperry was a famous French aviator of the 1920's & 30's who flew again for the French AF in 1940 - he wrote this in "Flight to Arras" in 1943 - the book is still available on Amazon, but extract is from this online book about contrails until 1945


The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.



I am far from being ignorant on this subject as well.
I can go back 10 years ago, and don't remember the sky ever looking like is does now after multiple jet aircraft
crisscrossing the sky. To say the jet engines are different, and the jet traffic greater doesn't get it with me.


well then I can see why you have to invent something to account for it.

Personally I go with "I never noticed it much until someone pointed it out"


Someone in the know will eventually leak the truth, it's just a matter of time.


15 years and still waiting....and not one skerrick of physical evidence either - not a single fuel sample, not a single air sample, not a single piece of equipment or documentation.

don't hold your breath.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Beyond
I never stated that every line in the sky is from geoengineering. But when I see dozens of lines dispersing into almost complete coverage of the sky, those are not contrails. I am far from being ignorant on this subject as well.


The same thing has been happening for decades though. There's lots of photos and descriptions of exactly this happening dating back to WWII.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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Have you noticed something peculiar as well Iwinder? There will be no chemtrail threads for awhile, and all the disinformation agents seem to disappear from the site for awhile. When another chemtrail thread is posted, they all seem to come out of the woodwork at the same time? Almost like they know each other, or they are part of a group. You won't see some of them for quite a few days, and then, poof, they are all here together? Just an observation mind you. Watch the site closely, and you will see the trend.



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