posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:14 AM
Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have
done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”
The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep
away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for
the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous
and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
The LORD said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”
Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, what if the number of
the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?”
“If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.”
Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?”
He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.”
Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?”
He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?”
He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.”
Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”
He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”
When the LORD had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.
-- Genesis 18:18-43
I am posting this thread in this forum, because I am well aware, as are most on this forum, that Islam is the target of a deliberate, and conscious,
American governmental conspiracy.
Conservatives of ATS, I want you to know that I recognise your great fear of this religion, and its' followers. At times, said fear has been my own.
There is no crime in admitting that Islam can be genuinely terrifying, and that as a result, we are terrified of it. So we may have our fear, and we
do not need to be condemned for it, by itself.
I also want the conservatives of this web site, and the political Right in general, however, to know that I have also had considerable fear of
them and their ideology, as well. For the last 12 or so years, the Political Compass has consistently assessed me as being further left wing
politically, than Nelson Mandela. The perspectives of the Right therefore, are generally entirely alien, to the point of being completely
incomprehensible to me, most of the time. I really cannot comprehend why many of you people think the way you do.
I began reading and posting on ATS, primarily because although this is changing now, at the time I knew this forum was an online heartland for the
Right. I wanted to learn. I wanted to understand. I have recently also attempted to overcome similar apprehensions regarding the Occupy movement,
and had a positive experience as a result of that.
We need to be very clear that global, unrestrained war with Islam is not a viable option. It may not be in our best interests, but it is certainly
not in the Islamic world's best interests, either. It would most likely lead to the complete annihiliation of both Islamic and non-Islamic
This does not, however, mean that I advocate an Islamic takeover of the planet. I have discussed before with some of you, that although there is a
genuine, American-led conspiracy ongoing against this religion, that Islamic violence, belligerence, and a desire to subjugate the planet in its'
entirety also does genuinely exist, on the part of some Muslims. This is acknowledged, and I continue to feel grave concerns of my own, due to this
Yet the one thing that I must argue against, is this tendency to paint the entire Islamic population with the same brush. To insist that because a
certain percentage of Muslims are violent, that every last Islamic individual is. This is both visibly and demonstrably not the case,
and conservatives display a lack of intellectual integrity when they ignore this fact.
As a theist, I am someone who believes in the existence of different Gods, as individual, acorporeal personalities. My theistic model is of a single
being at a primary level, but one which is able to manifest different ego complexes which can appear as what we consider to be individual Gods. As a
Chaos magician, I have at times engaged in spiritually dangerous behaviour. I mention this because, some 2.5 years ago now, one of the experiments
which I attempted, was to achieve invocational contact with Allah, as a distinct entity. It was not an act that I felt particularly safe engaging in,
to be brutally honest. Given that I have also performed an open-handed evocation of one of the kings of the Goetia, it was also not the most
dangerous thing that I have ever done.
Yet the experience was positive, for the most part. I felt that the being in question does share some of the belligerence and imperialism of
some of his followers; yet said aggression was also nowhere near as strong as I was expecting. I also encountered something which I was definitely
not expecting; and that was genuine gratitude towards me for the attempt at contact.
I do not claim to entirely know how the rift between Islam and the rest of humanity can be healed. Yet I do know that it will take active
intelligence. I know that it will take compassion. I know that it will take integrity. I know that it will take courage, on both sides.
For the West's part, we need to cease in our single minded support of the psychopathic government of Israel, in its' attempts to completely destroy
the nation of Palestine. Americans must regain control of their government, and cease the wars of invasion in the Middle East, and cease the rape and
murder of its' peoples. The fascist media must cease fanning the flames of hatred and fear.
Yet for Islam's part, those Muslims who themselves are not violent, and who are not fanatical, must begin to develop the necessary courage to
confront and restrain the fanatical and violent individuals among them. They must make it very clear to the fanatics, that said violence is not
consistent with not only the way they choose to live, but the long term survival of humanity as a whole. There genuinely are extremely
dangerous and negative elements within the Islamic population, and they are going to require a very firm hand. Western cultural Marxism will not
succeed in restraining them.
I am calling on the conservatives of this site, to cease falling for the fearmongering of the NWO cabal, where Islam is concerned. You are unable to
plead the excuse of ignorance, because you know better. You know that 9/11 was false flag. You know that Muslims are innocent of 90% of the crimes
that your governments have accused them of. You know that their scapegoating is a tactic that is primarily designed to keep us at each other's
throats, so the cabal can rule unhindered.