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Originally posted by dakota1s2
reply to post by Akragon
I'd guess you are probably talking to me. Although I agree with 99% of what RevelationGenereation has said, I try to follow the 10 Commandments. I believe this document was written to be followed for all time. It states as such in the Bible.
I believe that Jesus came to do away with all the other laws that were(Hebrew-Jewish) written after the 10 Commandments that were laws given in a time when God wanted his chosen to be separate from the rest of the world-----before Jesus came to fulfill all written by the Prophets as given to them by God.
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Akragon
There are some Christians who believe that Levitical laws still apply to them.... those are the people who this thread is aimed at...
Well I guess I am one of those people.
As some Levitical laws do still apply. Such as this one:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman: it is abomination.
Why? Because its in the new testament also: such as Cor 6:9 which is considered canon by all Christians.
of course it isn't wrong to follow them if you wish to, but it isn't necessary as long as you follow new law.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by dakota1s2
reply to post by Akragon
I'd guess you are probably talking to me. Although I agree with 99% of what RevelationGenereation has said, I try to follow the 10 Commandments. I believe this document was written to be followed for all time. It states as such in the Bible.
I believe that Jesus came to do away with all the other laws that were(Hebrew-Jewish) written after the 10 Commandments that were laws given in a time when God wanted his chosen to be separate from the rest of the world-----before Jesus came to fulfill all written by the Prophets as given to them by God.
Actually we're not talking about the 10... because the 10 are subject to the two given by Jesus...
Im talking about the 613 laws that some christians claim they still need to adhear to.... IF you look through that list in the OP you will see what i mean...
The 10 do not apply to this conversation.... thanks for you reply though.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Maxmars
Thank you for your thoughts... and i appreciate your input...
But it didn't really address the issue at hand...
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
no amount of good deeds will get us into the Kingdom of Heaven...
Yet.... people were "saved" in the sheep and goats judgement because of their good deeds?
Im talking about the 613 laws that some christians claim they still need to adhear to.... IF you look through that list in the OP you will see what i mean...
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Akragon
There are some Christians who believe that Levitical laws still apply to them.... those are the people who this thread is aimed at...
Well I guess I am one of those people.
As some Levitical laws do still apply. Such as this one:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman: it is abomination.
Why? Because its in the new testament also: such as Cor 6:9 which is considered canon by all Christians.
You are one of those who claim that "all scripture is inspired" are you not....
So now you are allowed to pick and chose which of those laws still apply?
Doesn't that go against your own belief.... that being "the entire bible is the word of God"... inerrant?
Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
No the Nicene council 'chose' what to include and exclude from the bible - between all the varying 'flavors' of scripture that were in use at the time by different congregations.
Needless to say not all congregations were equally represented .. but that's a different topic I guess.
The collection of quotes and stories Christians call the bible is - in reality - a compromise reached by the Nicene council to pave the way for mass distribution of texts - this enables a 'standardized' doctrine.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
No the Nicene council 'chose' what to include and exclude from the bible - between all the varying 'flavors' of scripture that were in use at the time by different congregations.
Needless to say not all congregations were equally represented .. but that's a different topic I guess.
No they did not, that's complete Hollywood myth. The canon of scripture was never discussed at Nicea, it was primarily convened to address the Arian heresy.
edit on 9-3-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Akragon
There are some Christians who believe that Levitical laws still apply to them.... those are the people who this thread is aimed at...
Well I guess I am one of those people.
As some Levitical laws do still apply. Such as this one:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman: it is abomination.
Why? Because its in the new testament also: such as Cor 6:9 which is considered canon by all Christians.
You are one of those who claim that "all scripture is inspired" are you not....
So now you are allowed to pick and chose which of those laws still apply?
Doesn't that go against your own belief.... that being "the entire bible is the word of God"... inerrant?
No picking and choosing be done here. We have to look at the bible in its full context to get an accurate picture of things. In this instance Cor 6:9 validates Leviticus 18:22 so it still applys to now.
The entire bible is the word of God. All scripture is inspired. I believe if God can create the universe then he can preserve the inspired words in his own book.
Another reason homosexuality is a sin can be found in Genesis 1:1-31 “Go forth and multiply”.
One can not multiply if they are gay. Homosexuality is a direct rebellious act against God and is purely of demonic origin. It is unnatural, immoral, and dangerous.edit on 9-3-2012 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Minori
Actually the mosaic laws went out the window when Jesus died on the cross. That was the purpose of his sacrifice...he came to fulfill the law............
Matthew 5:17-18
17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
or a better example
Colossians 2:13-14
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
Does that answer your question??
PLPL
Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Akragon
I am on your side...............relax!!! It is hypocritical, very much so. It is all over the bible to love your neighbor as yourself, not to judge, etc. We will not mention all the priests that have been caught molesting little boys. God loves his childeren regardless, as long as they have faith in him.
Romans 10:4
4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
That my friend is my opinion and I am sticking to it!!!
PLPL