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Originally posted by NorEaster
Statement #3 completely contradicts Statements #1 and #2.
How can anyone come back after death and tell us what they have experienced after death about reality, if death is the end of individual experience? It's not really possible for these three claims to be all be true.
edit on 3/9/2012 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by lacrimosa
what death is: when your body stops.
your function after death: worm food.
there's nothing to say otherwise, guess it depend's wether you beleive in science or crazy old book's.
(imo)
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All I have to say is, (and it's highly obvious) that all is one. It isn't you that is alive. Everything is alive. Everything is everything.
Everything is everything.
Originally posted by lacrimosa
The truth of the matter is that we don't know why we are here and what happens after death.
we are here because of solar dynamics and chance.
you are here because you parents procreated.
and theres nothing but elaborate superstition regarding what happen's after death.
"There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance."
-Hippocrates
edit on 9-3-2012 by lacrimosa because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jonnywhite
I think any after-life for humans has to include all other forms of life: frogs, viruses, bacteria, fish, birds, moles, buffalo, etc. The only way my mind can accept any sort of after-life is if it's inclusive somehow.
Otherwise, it's just pure wishful thinking. In fact, any sort of after-life is wishful thinking.
Few it seems want to admit that we have a fear of death or of mortality.
They make endless excuses and dance in wild circles. What boggles my mind is that they can say they have no fear yet they obsess about their religion. I mean, it just so happens that their religion grants them a potential after-life.
They replaced the original fear with a bunch of gobbledegook. Spiritualists aren't any different. They invent an after-life too. Everything from reincarnation to being elevated to the next level up in creation.
If we could admit to our fears, that's the first step. Personally, I think it's very painful to say goodbye to someone when they die. To admit that they'll never appear in the flesh again. Ever. All of the memories associated with them will eventually pass as well since people who knew them die too. And in time every physical possession they had will be recycled. Even famous people will be forgotten.
The sum of all this is that we come into this life with the spirit to overcome and win. Every day is a challenge. But death is not something we can overcome. That's why it bothers us. Losing is one thing, but not having a choice is another. It frightens us in the core of our being that nature will strike us down. It does so with almost perfect effectiveness and with no conscience. Is there anything more frightening than a killer with no remorse and who wields the power of the universe? We're so afraid, we create illusions.
Human evolution has a mission. It won't let us give up. That's why when it discovered dreams it had an idea. It said, "I wonder if I can use dreams to trick humans into thinking there's an after-life?" This happened after people saw the plight of this world and just gave up. It may have been random cavemen or cavewoman who had wandered from the clan and had been feeling an absence of meaning in life. So they walked into a herd of mammoth and were crushed. Evolution saw this and needed a plan. It wanted to preserve the emotions of these cavemen and cavewoman because of prior dependencies and it wanted the deep thoughts they possessed, but it also needed to prevent suicide and self-destruction. And so...
...it invented shamans and saints and medicine men and scholars and near-death experiences.edit on 10-3-2012 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by absolutely
what exist is exclusively what is objectively absolutely really positive fact
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb
It is one. There is no object and subject?
You will only ever experience yourself.edit on 12-3-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb
I don't believe in life after death because i don't believe in death. I think death is like going from one dream to the next, the seer of the ever changing dream/dreams is always present and never changes.
When people say they can't remember their last life, i say can you remember the dream you had last night? They say they didn't dream last night and i say you did but you just can't remember it!!
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Originally posted by absolutely
what exist is exclusively what is objectively absolutely really positive fact
I completely agree.
The nature of the objective (factual) universe is that it is undivided and whole. Objectivity is unity. Unity is truth.
We, as subjective observers, can only observe one thing that is objective. Everything besides this one thing that we observe is a subjective observation, and therefore only true to us as individuals. The only thing a subjective observer can observe objectively is light. Everything is light.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb
There are never two things. The word universe tells you that. It may look like two things and that is why there is all this confusion, all this conflict, because it looks like two things, it is believed and acted out. There are not two things. It is one. The human condition (madness, mind made suffering, fear, anxiety, guilt) is caused by the belief in 'other'.
edit on 12-3-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by hdutton
One moment I saw the flash of an explosion, and the lights went out. The lights came back on and I was lying in a hospital bed.