I think the title of your post and its content are a bit misleading. I just felt a bait and switch.

If authenticated, which I believe it to be, all it proves is something most of us already knew, that Oswald was trained by the CIA. That still doesn't make it a CIA operation....especially considering there is no possible way Oswald was the lone shooter.

Of course, there is ample evidence that the CIA was in fact behind it (and for good reasons imho, for all Kennedy's revered, he could have really screwed some things up...), but this is hardly the 100% proof claimed in the title....

In "Final Judgement" by Michael Collins Piper presents what, in my opinion, is a clear, and iron-clad case, that Kennedy was assassinated by the Israeli Mossad on orders from Ben-Gurion with help from James Jesus Angleton and the Meyer Lansky Crime Syndicate (known today as 'the mob') over the Dimona issue.

what the hell is dimona? this is the first time ive heard that. what is it johnlear?

Originally posted by sublime4372
what the hell is dimona? this is the first time ive heard that. what is it johnlear?

Israel was assembing nuclear bombs at Dimona south of Tel Aviv in alliance with Red China. Its possible that the first test of an Israeli nuke was done at Lop Nor nuclear test facility in the Takla Makan desert in China. Kennedy was insisting tht Ben Gurian allow inspectors into the facility When the inspection finally did occur the Israelis had bricked over the entrances to the weapons part of the facility. Kennedy found out about it and confronted Ben Gurion. Ben Gurion gave the order for the Kennedy assassination and then immediately resigned as Prime Minister in the summer of 1963. The job was done with the help of Israeli mole Jim Angleton. President Johnson never confronted the Israelis over Dimona. This is an opinion only.

Johnlear, in your first post you refer to this amazing hypothesis as clear and ironclad evidence, and in the last one you say it's your opinion only.

I believe your last post.

Certainly you're entitled to your opinion, but dropping a bunch of names like James Jesus Angleton, David ben-Gurion, etc. is no evidence; it's merely name-dropping.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Johnlear, in your first post you refer to this amazing hypothesis as clear and ironclad evidence, and in the last one you say it's your opinion only.

In both posts johnlear clarified that it is his opinion only. I don't understand why some members have trouble determining which statements are fact and opinion. Especially when the author states that it is his opinion.

Final judgment is on my list of books to review.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Johnlear, in your first post you refer to this amazing hypothesis as clear and ironclad evidence, and in the last one you say it's your opinion only.

I believe your last post.

Certainly you're entitled to your opinion, but dropping a bunch of names like James Jesus Angleton, David ben-Gurion, etc. is no evidence; it's merely name-dropping.

I guess I dropped the ball on that one. I believe tht Michael Collins Piper sets forth an ironclad case about who killed Kennedy. The book is 10 years old has had a couple of reprints, is about 600 pages long and has around 600 or 700 footnotes. I was heavily in the Kennedy thing years ago and know all the theories. Michael takes each one, dissects it, answers it and provides documented proof.

It is my opinion that the first Israelil nuke test was at Lop Nor.

Hey Lear, dont listen to critics, allright? I think your pretty smart and have good opinions. Every angle of something needs to be examined. No matter how small. Hey, since your dad owned a jet company, can I borrow 50 bucks?

Originally posted by sublime4372
Hey Lear, dont listen to critics, allright? I think your pretty smart and have good opinions. Every angle of something needs to be examined. No matter how small. Hey, since your dad owned a jet company, can I borrow 50 bucks?

My Dad and I had a slight disagreement before he died in 1978. He left me $1 which, incidentally I never got. In the text of his will this phrase was repeated 26 times: "...except John Olsen Lear." Do you think he was trying to tell me something?

Man, that sucks!

Anyhoo...

I doubt Mossad could have pulled it off. Not to mention, seems like a drastic step for such a problem. Kennedy wanted to disband the CIA...at a very crucial time. Many unscrupulous in the CIA were making a mint off the drug trade, the Russian threat was still a real one, and the dismantling of the CIA would have brought many things to light (such as a chance of uncovering Majestic), that at least some saw as sufficient reason to rub him out.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Man, that sucks!

Anyhoo...

I doubt Mossad could have pulled it off. Not to mention, seems like a drastic step for such a problem. Kennedy wanted to disband the CIA...at a very crucial time. Many unscrupulous in the CIA were making a mint off the drug trade, the Russian threat was still a real one, and the dismantling of the CIA would have brought many things to light (such as a chance of uncovering Majestic), that at least some saw as sufficient reason to rub him out.

Well, I would be interested in your opinion after you read Pipers book.

John Lear---> that sucks

Gazrok---> Heres my problem with the whole Kennedy conspiricy. If someone had the balls to murder the prez, why so public and gruesome? A hit , one would think, would be done professionaly and quietly. At least IMO.

Of course it would be huge, but they could have covered their tracks better. again, IMO.

Big part of me thinks Oswald was a nut, and thats the end of story. Except that whole Jack Ruby thing. Thats where I start to turn back to the conspiricies.