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Pennsylvania psychiatric clinic shooting

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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Amazing that they couldnt match his fingerprints. Almost every child gets finger printed at schools, so unless he was homeschooled, but they said he was a good student, maybe he is foreign? How else could he not have fingeprints unless he had no prior arrests, but they said maybe he had one then changed his name, but wouldnt that mean he would hav gotten fingerprinted? Something very strange going on here. It would make sense if he had no id and no fingerprints if he was foreign.

Okay this guy had no priors but had a stolen gun fom texas and shot nine people in pittsburgh!? Not normal!
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posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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More background info on the suspect

Clearly, this guy was on a slew of drugs:

www.pittsburghlive.com...
--"We would talk very casually," (Duquesne colleague)Das said. "But he was not normal. When I spoke to him, it didn't seem normal. It seemed like he wanted to express more, but he couldn't communicate properly."
--"His eyes, like a lot of people have been saying, were really bloodshot and glassy," (store owner)Wasserman said.
--He seemed to have trouble forming sentences, and it took a long time for him to respond, making the conversation awkward, she(a neighbor) said.
--He talked to himself but not to her, she(store clerk) said.
--To others, like Issam Talbi, 32, he "seemed like he was drunk or on medication."
"He walked like a zombie," said Talbi, an employee at the Subway store on Centre Avenue...

And those drugs almost certainly included SSRIs like Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, etc. if he had been mentally 'treated.' That class of drugs has had a record of very violent outbursts from a small percentage of users.

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Possible meal ticket identified:

www.pittsburghlive.com...
--Pittsburgh police said they have not been able to contact Shick's parents, Susan and Larry Shick, who are believed to be on a yacht in the Bahamas. ....



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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So more inside info, but this is not eye witness - but I guess I still have more inside scoop than others would.
The guy was KNOWN at WPI - He was a patient there, at least once prior, only months ago. He had a bag of pills with him - that was the "suspect package" which required the bomb squad to go apechit. I suspect the bag was full of all the medications he was given on his way out when discharged from there. The story we all heard, as I was leaving the hell hole, was that the shooter was a former patient who came with the intention of shooting the doctor who treated him while he was there.
Looking over some comments following my reply earlier -
- There was NOT a hostage situation, however a patient MIGHT have called in a fake tip to the news before the hospital lockdown was complete.
- He was ID'd by the prescription bottles they found in his bag - at least this is what the staff assumed once we found out he was a former patient, and he had a bag of pills with him.
- Many patients, including me, are on SSI (Supplemental Security Income) - I was in the medical alert/isolation ward of WPI. Everyone on the floor had their own medical problems, aside from whatever psychiatric conditions brought them there. On my floor, I met 4 people who were there willingly. They have major medical issues, and often times treating medical problems on top of psychological disorders can be a neverending pill game. When they hit a crisis, they check into the hospital and stay there until the doctors can find a better drug combo for them. One guy willingly there has been there for 2 years now - he has no plans to leave, because he would only go to a nursing home.

I guess I am lucky - the meds I am on usually work fine, but following my medical #up 2 years ago, I now have even more problems than before to throw into my mix. The FDA recently lowered the allowed max daily dose of one of my meds, Celexa, to 40mg in 24 hours. I have been on 80mg a day for years... but I have managed to avoid the heart damage they now say it can cause.

What do patients do when their health gets worse, and the have literally DOZENS of doctors working on them that are rarely in communication with eachother? Each doctor, each specialist, has their own medications to push... each one of those drugs has side effects, and then one of the other doctors tries to treat those side effects with even more drugs. The drugs are treating the problems, all while each drug is causing some sort of permanent damage that you will later have to deal with. I am lucky... my psychiatrist works with my primary care doctor and they oversee all of my medications. I am regularly checked for early signs of known side effects, and there are red flags in my file indicating a slew of medications I can't go near.

Being unwillingly stuck in WPI is a wretched situation. You have medical problems that are slowly killing you, and your full-time job is going to doctor offices, hospital stays, trying to keep your medications in check and trying to maintain some "normal" life which only includes doctors, hospitals, basic hygiene and food. Everything outside of that is a luxury... your energy can only focus on keeping yourself alive, and eventually the task of keeping yourself from succumbing to depression becomes nothing more than an impossible dream. That is where all those damn psych meds come in - you have to take them... you can't do anything else right now to make your life better, all you have energy for is trying to just survive.

I do not see any reasonable way to improve such situations. I take a proactive stance in my life - I try to live as much as I can, I get back up every time I get kicked down... but sometimes it is just... impossible to find the strength to even breath anymore. Physically, mentally, emotionally... you are drained, alone, and pumped full of drugs that seem to make everything worse when you actually need them most.

I think that shooter was a shmuck, and I do not condone what he did, but I surely understand it. I left there wanting to kick a few of the staff in the balls. When you get out of there only to fall back down again, you fear going back there... getting locked up and pumped full of drugs, then shoved back out to go back down in the #ter. Neverending cycle of it. Where does it end? How can it?

Until they figure out a good solution to prevent so many problems like this, they sure as hell better work on their security and emergency protocols. But I have a feeling nothing will change... aside from maybe putting in a metal detector and a glass window to protect the granny who is at the desk in the lobby (who was a nice lady, not sure why the guy shot her aside from the fact she was an easy target).



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 08:52 AM
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Interesting article headline

www.usatoday.com...

"cops in pa clinic shooting trained for campus gunman"

The article says they trained for a virginia style shooting, but the headline makes it seem like they trained specifically for this gunman.

They are being vague on how he was identified, something to do with a name on an article of clothing. His underwear? Lol. No id, no fingerprints, yet somehow they knew his identity. Maybe because they knew he would attack? Any other guesses?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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That makes sene they would identify him by his prescripion pills, but why not say that? Oh right, his privacy rights, even though he's dead. That is the insanity of our legal system, you have a right to privacy even when you go on a shooting spree. But they did say his name anyways wtf? And thanks for the tip that he was a patient. With one of the victims a therapist that makes sense, but again, why not tell the public what is more or less obvious? I'm still not sure why someone would call in a fake report of secondary shooters, or why this crazy guy somehow managed to get two guns from texas, one stolen and the other not stolen. Maybe the atf just tossed a gun in there to give themselves justification to intervene. Oh no, the beloved ATFE would never do that lol.
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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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It is like they dont want people to know he was a mental patient. They didnt release a victims name at first, which turned out to be a therapist, and now they say his name was identified by a name on an article he was carrying or wearing, but thanks to our own ats insider we know it was from his prescription pills. Its not too hard to piece together he was a mental patient, so why all the secrecy? The red flag though is the stolen gun fom texas. How or why does a patient in pittsburgh get a stolen gun from texas?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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They said he was carrying two plastic baggies with some pills in each that were found in his fanny pack he was wearing. They did not say they were in labeled pill bottles, though that is a legitimate guess. My theory is that this guy made violent threats beforehand against the hospital or doctor and they don't want to answer questions about why they didn't do anything.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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This isnt even on cnn. I wonder how much stuff goes on across america that isnt noticed.

thanks ats.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Another story I found that recently happened in pitt-burg-h. kenneth john konias jr,armored car robbery and killed his friend.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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I had to go to the outpatient clinic today, subside of WPI but thankfully in a building down the street. But still - people looked at eachother a bit harder there today. Although there is still NO change to security, so a nutcase can come in with guns to that building, too. But there ARE signs that say "No weapons, drugs, smoking, alcohol..."



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by PittKitty
I had to go to the outpatient clinic today, subside of WPI but thankfully in a building down the street. But still - people looked at eachother a bit harder there today. Although there is still NO change to security, so a nutcase can come in with guns to that building, too. But there ARE signs that say "No weapons, drugs, smoking, alcohol..."


Obviously a nutcase will disobey signs telling him not to carry guns.
The signs merely prevent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves against crazies.
And the system calls themselves the sane ones for putting up signs? Ha.



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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This is why I am glad to have valid excuses to get me out of the mandatory IOP (Intensive Outpatient Program) for people like me or rather those with some of the some diagnosis's as I have. All the IOP programs include 3-5 day a week, 5-8 hour a day, 8-20 person group sessions. You sit in a room with a shrink and a bunch of nuts - and hope everyone else took their pills!


yay for having no immune system and for random puking without warning! No groups for me!



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Jules The red flag though is the stolen gun fom texas. How or why does a patient in pittsburgh get a stolen gun from texas?

If you've got a problem with the evidence then you merely change the facts:
www.pittsburghlive.com...
-The two guns were not stolen as police previously reported, said Steve Bartholomew, special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco and Explosives.

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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 11:49 PM
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As the story was still fresh, note how the police and media reported incriminating evidence of malice aforethought:

pittsburgh.cbslocal.com...
KDKA has learned that Shick may have had extensive plans concerning the shooting, including maps and diagrams.

www.wpxi.com...
Earle reported that a drawn floor plan of Western Psychiatric was also found inside of Shick's home.

Now we learn what is meant by the ominous-sounding 'maps and diagrams':

www.post-gazette.com...
District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr.... said psychologists and psychiatrists will help investigators decipher the items -- including handwritten messages in notebooks and on walls, bottles and wicks investigators think were the makings of Molotov cocktails, and a printed brochure, apparently available to the public, providing Western Psych's floor plans.

Yup, there's nothing like a printed brochure to prove homicidal intent.


And here's where they come up with a plausible-sounding sinister motive:

pittsburgh.cbslocal.com...
--KDKA’s Marty Griffin reports that Shick had mental illness, an extensive mental history and that he went to Western Psych to kill his doctor.

Now they have added this:

www.post-gazette.com...
Among Mr. Shick's rambling messages were handwritten complaints about his medical treatment for a variety of physical ailments, sources said. ... Mr. Shick was particularly upset with a UPMC internal medicine physician who appeared to have treated him in the past. The doctor lived in the same apartment building.

Gee, if the motive was a revenge attack on his doctor, why didn't he just go next door try to kill the evil-doer he was allegedly after?

How soon before we find out the 'wicks' for the Molotov cocktails are in reality rolled-up kitchen towels?




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posted on Mar, 29 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by starviego
www.pittsburghlive.com...
-The two guns were not stolen as police previously reported, said Steve Bartholomew, special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco and Explosives. The pistols came from Texas.


First they said the guns were stolen. Then they said one gun was stolen, and the other legally purchased. Then they said both guns were legally purchased in Texas. Now they are saying the guns were legally purchased from a dealer in New Mexico:

www.pittsburghlive.com...
Pittsburgh police Commander Thomas Stangrecki said Shick likely purchased the guns he used in the shooting in April 2011 from a gun dealer in Albuquerque, N.M., correcting previous police reports that the guns were stolen.

What is not explained is why or when the suspect John Shick traveled to New Mexico to get the guns. One wonders if he got the guns in a border state because they were actually part of "Operation Fast and Furious," though I doubt they would ever admit that.



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