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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
"The notion is today considered ideological rather than scientific".[1]


Read your own link Particularly this above.

Many of the Germans the Romans wrote of during their time were celts that had occupied the country after invading from the east and had the custom of DYING their hair blonde as Greek historian diodorus noted.

"They are very tall in stature, with rippling muscles under clear white skin. Their hair is blond, but not naturally so: they bleach it, to this day, artificially, washing it in lime and combing it back from their foreheads"

No ones claiming there weren't blondes among Europeans. Merely that your statement there was a whole country full of them is preposterous notion that is a the product of nothing more than wishful or rather deluded thinking


Spanish Queen Isabella I of Castile shows "Nordic" characteristics: blonde hair, blue eyes, and pale skin



So because isabella may have had blonde hair and blue eyes that means Spain was largely occupied by people of similar features?
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 01:00 AM
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 01:01 AM
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Ahahaha you just got through telling me that Europeans were not blondes, (silly me) and now you are saying my error was saying that the whole country was full of them. Well like I said, blondes in Tunisia are not as blonde as blondes in Sweden. Queen Isabella is described in more than one place as having reddish blonde hair.


The Visigoths also became the dominant power in the Iberian Peninsula, quickly crushing the Alans and forcing the Vandals into north Africa. By 500, the Visigothic Kingdom, centred at Toulouse, controlled Aquitania and Gallia Narbonensis and most of Hispania with the exception of the Suevic kingdom in the northwest and small areas controlled by the Basques and Cantabrians. However, in 507, the Franks under Clovis I defeated the Visigoths in the Vouillé and wrested control of Aquitaine. King Alaric II was killed in battle.


en.wikipedia.org...

By the way, still today there are blondes in Spain.

Galicia prides itself on its Celtic heritage. Maybe this explains the relative blondness of that nort-west corner of Spain

bigthink.com...
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 01:09 AM
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Are you serious? African tribal leaders sold their people for gold to white people. When Africa is on the top of the list for countries that produce an obundance of all resources. Gold? Really? Africa is the largest resource for gold in the world. Gold was and is nothing to African people because there is such an abundance for it. They sold themselves for food. African people never starved or wanted for anything until the europeans came. That is an actual fact. Do you all even question any of the little bit of information you read. It's sad because so many people believe this bs. If the statement is true what were the situations leading up to them selling their people? What was the society like that influenced that decision? What made them do it? How about forget those questions. Who can show and prove that Original people across the globe were in the position they are in today as a masses before they came in contact with europeans? You can't do it. It's not even possible. Europeans are the source of the worlds destruction. That's an actual fact. The process of eugenics and population control is a great example. How much traveling and studying has anyone done. I've traveled the world and have a library with over 1,000 books. Anything I say is based off of actual facts and extensive research. Peace



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 01:10 AM
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Also whites statistics show, specifically white mothers benefit more than any other group for food stamps, welfare and public assistance as a whole. So do more research on that. Good try though lol.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by paganini
 


Ahahaha you just got through telling me that Europeans were not blondes, (silly me) and now you are saying my error was saying that the whole country was full of them. Well like I said, blondes in Tunisia are not as blonde as blondes in Sweden. Queen Isabella is described in more than one place as having reddish blonde hair.
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No i said this statement here was ridiculous


Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorusYou do know that the moors invaded Spain well before then. That is how a blonde hair fair skinned population turned dark hair and brown eyes. Then the Crusades happened and regained certain lands. Know your history as people here have been saying today.


You basically surmised that there originally was a land full of fair haired and blue eyed people that got turned dark by the invading moors. This is nothing more than a moronic theory that was proposed originally by proponents of Nordicism who fancied the idea that Europe was once entirely populated by their ideal looking people until in their supposed weakness ,they mixed with the seductive Africans thus resulting in a bastardized race of dark haired people who sometimes have an olive complexion. There to this day is not shred of evidence to support this nor is it taken seriously by any historians or scientists.

It is clear your grasp of the history of Spain and its peoples is terribly poor. You continually posting links that have nothing to do with this and fail to prove your original point are not helping at all.





Galicia prides itself on its Celtic heritage. Maybe this explains the relative blondness of that nort-west corner of Spain

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Having been to Galicia Ive actually seen more people with olive complexion there than i have anywhere else.
There is nothing there to point to there being more blondes in that region of the country than anywhere else.

But yep chalked full of blondes!

pics.blameitonthevoices.com...
centros.edu.aytolacoruna.es...
www.residencia-galicia.com...
upload.wikimedia.org...
upload.wikimedia.org...
www.koreatimes.co.kr...


Let me guess you think the Italians up north are all fair and once you hit a certain point in the south they get darker too?
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 03:08 AM
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Ah, you have 3 posts. A troll
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by CodexGiga
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Mmmmmm not sure what history book your reading BUT Africans have been selling each other out for gold since they were around. And selling there people out. genocide? Oppression? Maybe that's a to advanced word for you but Africa and Africans are a perfect example. Back to the point of RACISM. Your people are so racist for no reason. You think we all owe you something? Owe you what? I think we should white history month but oh no that would be morally wrong. There is such a double standard in this country right now it's a joke and it's starts with you. I bet, if we stopped giving free stuff out to everyone there would be hundreds of thousands more black then whites on the street starving and begging. True fact in Greensboro nc there are hundreds of black bums begging always asking for hand out from white college kids on campus....... No white bums. See the picture I'm painting.... If not let me spell it out. Most of you are lazy, begging bums that depends on white middle class America to pay our taxes so you can live for free while your in the ghetto not working smoking crack popping out more babies just cause you'll get more money back on your tax returns. And then you have an racist attitude towards us. You should be a little more thankful.



the rest of the year we celebrate white history... most of American history is white.

Sure we have lazy blacks in life...Heck.. my little brother is a lazy Jew (yes they exist).

But you act like all blacks behave this way. This is just not the truth.


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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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The slave traders were, in order of scale: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, and Americans. This relates to 45 european nations never involved in african slavery. 5:45, you might want to keep that number in mind, when you get all worked up over those evil europeans, or as you put it: "the source of the worlds destruction".
You say you travel a lot. May I recommend visiting Russia - walk a mile in white americans' shoes.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:13 AM
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What does it matter what they sold people in exchange for. You tell us they they didn't need gold. You tell us in your post that they lacked for nothing. So they sold others into slavery for what.... FUN?



African people never starved or wanted for anything until the europeans came. That is an actual fact.

How about a source for your fact, there^. And make it a source that actually predates European arrival in Africa, please. If you are planning to use Egyptian sources, keep in mind that they kept subSaharan Africans as slaves.

Since you are well traveled and well read, I'm sure that you are aware that Africans were tribalists.... Even worse than racists. They looked upon other tribes as subhuman, treated them as livestock, and even used them as a food source.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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The notion is as ridiculous as members of the Christian majority in America who complain that they're being oppressed whenever someone stops them from stomping on a minority.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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It appears, according to a report by U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, that the US Justice Department is openly hostile to investigating race crimes against whites.



Panel finds Justice Department reluctant to take cases of white victims

In a 144-page report completed in November and released over the weekend, the commission said its lengthy investigation had uncovered “numerous specific examples of open hostility and opposition” within the department’s Civil Rights Division to pursuing cases in which whites were the victims.

The report, posted on the commission’s web site, said testimony obtained by the panel during its investigation included allegations that some Justice Department lawyers refused to work on cases involving white victims; that lawyers who worked on such cases were harassed and ostracized; and that some employees, including supervisory attorneys and political appointees, openly opposed race-neutral enforcement of voting rights laws.

The Washington Times


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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:02 AM
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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this research tells me that "human" nature would rather throw a bone at a problem and hope a dog is happy and doesn't bite but blindly thinks its ok to feed the dog blood, and complain when someone gets maimed.


MBF

posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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My situation is similar. He sued the USDA and won and I have been carried around the corner several times and told that they were not going to do anything to him because they needed so many black people in that position. I have filed every dang thing that I can all the way to Washington. That *^$#^(()&^$#^**( has cost me about $1.5m and there ain't a damn thing I can do about it!!! I've even been told that I am the problem!



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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The whole problem we have here, is that we see each other as a color instead of as people.

Because of of slavery and discrimination in a near past, we are now over compensating with a form of reverse discrimination against whites. Not as much as what the blacks originally had to experience, but the second you create something exclusive, you are discriminating against anyone who doesn't fit your "mold".

The blacks were always told they couldn't use the white restroom, they couldn't sit with whites on the bus, there was always a line, you stay on your side and we'll stay on ours. Then we abolished that line. The point of it was to mix, to be equal. But that didn't happen. For whatever reason, the blacks began to draw smaller lines that the whites couldn't cross. Maybe it was because they felt more comfortable banning together, maybe they didn't trust the whites after what we had done to them. I don't know. But after all effort of civil rights movement, something went wrong. The blacks were finally allowed to drink off the same water fountain, it was a victory for equal rights, but instead of blending with whites and coming together as a culture of americans, the blacks needed to continue to segregate themselves, but this time on their terms.

Fast forward a few more years and things are still very black and white. We are still a class that is separated. By both culture and laws. And while the laws were meant to be equal to all man, there are special circumstances for minorities. Now minorities have gone from below equal rights, to above equal rights. When one class is held above the other, just for the color of their skin, then that can only mean the other class in being held down, just because the color of their skin. So we are back to discrimination again, only this time against whites.

Just because you are white doesn't mean you are born with a trust fund and an education. We have to work as hard as everyone, but when you come from nothing and work hard all your life to make sure your kids can have a better life than you did, and you are getting told you can't get the scholarship or the job because we have to give it to the minority, well then it will anger you. You are not being treated equally as an american citizen.

As long as a line is drawn, regardless of who drew it..... as long as discrimination exists, racism will still exist. It is a deliberate separation of race, and it needs to stop. Starting today, we should make it illegal for any forms at school, or on the job, or from the government to ask what our race is. People should stop filling in the blank. Any clubs or programs that target any specific race and exclude others should be illegal. In a truly equal society, it won't matter what race we are. We can be judged by our character, our talents and our skills. Maybe then we will finally grow in the right direction as a society.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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Women suffragists supported black men to get the right to vote, to only have all men turn and try to refuse it.

Sexism is still a much bigger problem then racism. And if the recent contoversies such as birth control, forced ultrasounds that would be considered rape under their own law, changing the definition of life so that many birth control options are removed for women in virginia to only have oklahoma take it one step further and create no exceptions to abortions such as rape or incest.

Next thing you know, women won't be able to attend college if they have children or are married.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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then obviously you have never lived on a reservation.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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nothing you say is based off of extensive facts and research, you have cited no sources where you have obtained information and all you have shown are youtube video which in a court of law would hold no merit.


One of the most famous slave traders on the East African coast was Tippu Tip, who was himself the grandson of an enslaved African


one of the most famous slave traders was infact colored, he sold his own people into slavery


some African kings sold their captives locally and later to European slave traders for goods such as metal cookware, rum, livestock, and seed grain.


even though Africa is so full of resources they clearly traded slaves for resources.


The kings of Dahomey sold their war captives into transatlantic slavery, who otherwise would have been killed in a ceremony known as the Annual Customs. As one of West Africa's principal slave states, Dahomey became extremely unpopular with neighbouring peoples.[56][57][58] Like the Bambara Empire to the east, the Khasso kingdoms depended heavily on the slave trade for their economy.


so after a war these captives would either have been killed or sacraficed or sold into slavery for goods, clearly stating that many kingdoms depended heaviley on the slave trade. you loose life or keep it by being a slave.


Before the arrival of the Portuguese, slavery had already existed in Kingdom of Kongo.


en.wikipedia.org...


In the 19th century, this was particularly true of anti-Irish prejudice, which was partly anti-Catholic sentiment, partly anti-Irish as an ethnicity. This was especially true for Irish Catholics who immigrated to the U.S. in the mid-19th century; the large number of Irish (both Catholic and Protestant) who settled in America in the 18th century had largely (but not entirely) escaped such discimination and eventually blended into the American white population.


irish immigrints im pretty sure were primarily white when they left ireland and came to the US and there was a lot of racism pointed there way in the 19th century.


One series of unprovoked crimes that specifically targeted White Americans is the Zebra murders that occurred in San Francisco between 1973 and 1974. The Zebra murders were carried out by a group known as Death Angels (a radical splinter group of the Nation of Islam) that intended to kill whites to spread terror and earn favor and status within their sect


i bet you have never heard of the Zebra Murders, because it wasnt a hate crime against black people.

en.wikipedia.org...-European_immigrant_racism

There are all Black schools, Fraternities, Colleges, NAACP, Black History Month, lawyers like Jesse Jackson who will only represent black people.

www.boston.com...

check that out its a story of a Professor who was arrested at his house, he was trying to break in and didn't have ID on him so the cops did there job it wasnt because he was black and the cop white, it wasnt racially profiling, when they figured out who he was he was let go, then the professor tried to have the cops fired for racial profiling. if this was a white man and black cop you wouldn't have heard anything like that.






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