reply to post by jrmcleod
It does but what i don't get is why the Templars and London? Although the last to do so, even the English turned against the Templars (although that
was to do with raising cash for more wars against France rather than the threat of excommunication - we always seem to have been rather aloof about
those threats!).
Actually, that raises another interesting question when you consider Templar history / mythology. Why were the English the only nation in Europe at
the time that never really bothered with threats of excommunication? At the time, that was about the worst thing that could happen to someone but
wherever there are accounts of the English being threatened with it, they basically stuck two fingers up to Rome.
Secrets Revealed !, page 9
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 09:54 AM by Flavian
Originally posted by HowardCrane
reply to post by Flavian
Yes, I understand that part of it. I'm not implying there is a conspiracy here. I just find it interesting that many of his most famous buildings never would have even come to fruition if the fire hadn't happened. Including the church that HAL has indicated holds importance.
Sorry, i wasn't very clear was i?
Didn't mean conspiracy implied by you on that part, rather what i was getting at is there is much mystery with
all of this thread (and therefore potential for conspiracy, especially amongst us lot!) but that specific part was the one that actually made sense
and was therefore not conspiracy. Reading through that, it possibly doesn't make much sense again. Oh well, friday afternoon brain has settled in so hopefully you get what i mean!
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 09:57 AM by jrmcleod
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by jrmcleod
It does but what i don't get is why the Templars and London? Although the last to do so, even the English turned against the Templars (although that was to do with raising cash for more wars against France rather than the threat of excommunication - we always seem to have been rather aloof about those threats!).
Actually, that raises another interesting question when you consider Templar history / mythology. Why were the English the only nation in Europe at the time that never really bothered with threats of excommunication? At the time, that was about the worst thing that could happen to someone but wherever there are accounts of the English being threatened with it, they basically stuck two fingers up to Rome.
Its parts like this that stump me as well. It makes me wonder just how deep the rabbit hole actually goes and what truths are hidden. For every 1 thing we find out there are probably 1000 more...
The Bible for instance speaks about "The Deception", but to be quite frank, the deception is absolutely everywhere...
I hope this thread brings to light a lot of things that would otherwise have gone unnoticed by us all. I'd like to say that our discoveries may change things but they wont because we constantly seem to be on the back peddle with things like this as a civilisation...one day though there may be an opportunity for the truth to actually be told and heard.
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:04 AM by Flavian
reply to post by jrmcleod
I often wonder about Pelagius when i consider Christianity in Britain. Perhaps our forebears were wrong and should have stuck to their guns?
Pelagius, for those that do not know, basically taught that God is everywhere and that churches / temples / priests, etc are not needed. The contention being that if god is everywhere, why do we need to go to priests for gods' favour / blessing? Why does the church asume power of something that is omnipresent?
This is something the Church has never actually answered to any degree.
Maybe the English rulers during the Middle Ages had access to something that showed Pelagius was right? I can't really think of too many other reasons for this lack of fear of excommunication.
By the way, i will qualify that. For the average man on the street, excommunication was still something to fear. It was the elite in England that were unconcerned with it.
I often wonder about Pelagius when i consider Christianity in Britain. Perhaps our forebears were wrong and should have stuck to their guns?
Pelagius, for those that do not know, basically taught that God is everywhere and that churches / temples / priests, etc are not needed. The contention being that if god is everywhere, why do we need to go to priests for gods' favour / blessing? Why does the church asume power of something that is omnipresent?
This is something the Church has never actually answered to any degree.
Maybe the English rulers during the Middle Ages had access to something that showed Pelagius was right? I can't really think of too many other reasons for this lack of fear of excommunication.
By the way, i will qualify that. For the average man on the street, excommunication was still something to fear. It was the elite in England that were unconcerned with it.
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:12 AM by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Manhater
dragons particularly in the far east
are reputed to posses the power of
shapeshifting
no bestiality required
dragons particularly in the far east
are reputed to posses the power of
shapeshifting
no bestiality required
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:16 AM by michaelbrux
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Manhater
dragons particularly in the far east
are reputed to posses the power of
shapeshifting
no bestiality required
Dragons have a much better situation in the Far East than in the West.
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:17 AM by Flavian
reply to post by HowardCrane
I am honest enough to say i am following the thread rather than the clues as frankly i am something of a Homer Simpson when it comes to cracking codes! That leaves me waiting for the next bit, so sorry for going off topic ish - i say ish as i think there may be a link between Templars and Pelagius in terms of secret knowledge.
Come on code crackers, what is the next bit?
I am honest enough to say i am following the thread rather than the clues as frankly i am something of a Homer Simpson when it comes to cracking codes! That leaves me waiting for the next bit, so sorry for going off topic ish - i say ish as i think there may be a link between Templars and Pelagius in terms of secret knowledge.
Come on code crackers, what is the next bit?
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:27 AM by HowardCrane
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
Yes the holy hand grenade looks exactly like the Sovereign Orb. That's the joke.
Yes the holy hand grenade looks exactly like the Sovereign Orb. That's the joke.
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:28 AM by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by II HAL II
hello there
does the secret [and the 3 golden items] involve the other 2 cities within cities linked to the city of London?
1-the Vatican
2-a yet undisclosed location in NYC [the capitol of the world]
hello there
does the secret [and the 3 golden items] involve the other 2 cities within cities linked to the city of London?
1-the Vatican
2-a yet undisclosed location in NYC [the capitol of the world]
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:32 AM by HowardCrane
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
Well that's a very interesting thought. The Vatican is a sovereign state that is the seat of religion in the world. London is a sovereign state that is the financial seat of the world. I'm not exactly sure what you mean in NYC. But Washington, D.C. is technically a sovereign state, and it could be seen as the political seat of the world.
Well that's a very interesting thought. The Vatican is a sovereign state that is the seat of religion in the world. London is a sovereign state that is the financial seat of the world. I'm not exactly sure what you mean in NYC. But Washington, D.C. is technically a sovereign state, and it could be seen as the political seat of the world.
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:35 AM by DerepentLEstranger
Originally posted by michaelbrux
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Manhater
dragons particularly in the far east
are reputed to posses the power of
shapeshifting
no bestiality required
Dragons have a much better situation in the Far East than in the West.
indeed the different viewpoints represent a schism probably going back to the children of Aryas
via zarathustra
Cauc-Asian
also remember that Europe is merely a peninsula of Asia
Mercator projection makes look a loooot bigger than it really is
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:35 AM by II HAL II
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
I like your thinking and wish it were the case, maybe it is but I've not connected that before.
Think about my previous post, the builder of the church (C Wren) and connection to what we have already looked at, is there one?
Have to say I'm enjoying the various theories people are throwing out there and who knows maybe some are true.
I like your thinking and wish it were the case, maybe it is but I've not connected that before.
Think about my previous post, the builder of the church (C Wren) and connection to what we have already looked at, is there one?
Have to say I'm enjoying the various theories people are throwing out there and who knows maybe some are true.
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 10:50 AM by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by HowardCrane
scepter= club
which would indicate D.C.'s role
my own research seems to indicate that dc is a blind and that NYC [capitol of the empire state]
has a hidden city within a city
don't forget that NY used to be the capitol of the US as well
en.wikipedia.org...
The Statue of Liberty holds a torch
in tarot staffs are often represented as torches as well
however as op has indicated the secret is in london and has to do with wren so i guess we're were going OT here
scepter= club
which would indicate D.C.'s role
my own research seems to indicate that dc is a blind and that NYC [capitol of the empire state]
has a hidden city within a city
don't forget that NY used to be the capitol of the US as well
en.wikipedia.org...
New York is the most populous city in the United States[9] and the center of the New York Metropolitan Area, one of the most populous metropolitan areas in the world.[10][11][12] New York exerts a significant impact upon global commerce, finance, media, art, fashion, research, technology, education, and entertainment. The home of the United Nations Headquarters,[13] New York is an important center for international diplomacy[14] and has been described as the cultural capital of the world.[15] The city is also referred to as New York City or the City of New York[16] to distinguish it from the state of New York, of which it is a part.[17]
***
New York served as the capital of the United States from 1785 until 1790.[34] It has been the country's largest city since 1790.[35] The Statue of Liberty greeted millions of immigrants as they came to America by ship in the late 19th and early 20th centuries[36] and is a globally recognized symbol of the United States and its democracy.[37]
The Statue of Liberty holds a torch
in tarot staffs are often represented as torches as well
however as op has indicated the secret is in london and has to do with wren so i guess we're were going OT here
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 11:10 AM by Doodle19815
Buildings in London by Wren
The Custom House, London (1669-71)*
St Christopher-le-Stocks, Threadneedle Street, London (1670-71)*
St Dunstan in the East, London (1670-71)*
St Benet Fink, Threadneedle Street, London (1670-73)*
St Vedast, Foster Lane, London (1670-73)
St Dionis Backchurch, Fenchurch Street, London(1670-74)*
St Michael, Wood Street, London (1670-75)*
St Mildred, Poultry, London(1670-76)*
St Olave, Old Jewry, London (1670-76)*
St Mary-at-Hill, Thames Street, London (1670-76)
St Mary, Aldermanbury, London (1670-76)*
St Edmund King and Martyr, Lombard Street, London (1670-79)
St Mary-le-Bow, Cheapside, London (1671-73)
St George Botolph Lane, London (1671-74)*
The Monument, Fish Street Hill, London (1671-76)
St Magnus Martyr, Lower Thames Street, London (1671-76)*
St Lawrence, Jewry, London (1671-77)
St Nicholas, Cole Abbey, London (1671-77)
St Bride, Fleet Street, London (1671-78)
St Stephen, Walbrook, London (1672-79)
St Stephen, Coleman Street, London (1674-76)*
St Bartholomew, Exchange, London (1674-79)*
St Peter, Cornhill, London (1675-81)
St Paul's Cathedral (1675-1710)
St Michael, Bassishaw, London (1676-79)*
St James, Garlick Hill, London (1676-83)
St Michael, Queenhithe, London (1676-87)*
St Anne and St Agnes, Gresham Street, London (1677-80)
St Antholin, Watling Street, London (1677-82)*
St Benet, Paul's Wharf, London (1677-83)
All Hallows the Great, Lombard Street, London (1677-83)*
St Martin, Ludgate, London (1677-84)
All Hallows, Bread Street, London (1677-84)*
St Swithin, Cannon Street, London (1677-85)*
Christ Church, Newgate Street, London (1677-87)(ruin only)
St Augustine, Watling Street, London (1680-83)*
St Matthew, Friday Street, London (1681-85)*
St Mary Abchurch, London (1681-86)
St Benet, Gracechurch Street, London (1681-86)*
St Mildred, Bread Street, London (1681-87)*
The Navy Office, Seething Lane, London (1682-83)*
St Alban, Wood Street, London (1682-85)*
St Mary Magdalene, Old Fish Street, London (1683-85)*
St Clement, Eastcheap, London (1683-87)
St Margaret Pattens, London(1684-87)
St Michael, Crooked Lane, London (1684-88)*
St Andrew, Holborn, London (1684-90)
St Andrew by the Wardrobe, London (1685-93)
St Margaret, Lothbury, London (1686-90)
St Michael, Paternoster Royal, College Hill, London (1686-94)
All Hallows, Lombard Street, London (1686-94)*
St Mary Somerset, Thames Street, london (1686-95)*
Bridgewater Square Development, London (1688)*
Writing School, Christ's Hospital, London (1692)*
Tower of St Mary Aldermary, Bow Lane, London (1702-4)
Royal Society Respository, Crane Court, Fleet Street, London (1711-12)*
St Michael, Cornhill,London, (tower and upper half of church) (1715-17)
Source
St. Bride is very close to all of our searches. It also has those weird burning urns like on top of the monument.
The Custom House, London (1669-71)*
St Christopher-le-Stocks, Threadneedle Street, London (1670-71)*
St Dunstan in the East, London (1670-71)*
St Benet Fink, Threadneedle Street, London (1670-73)*
St Vedast, Foster Lane, London (1670-73)
St Dionis Backchurch, Fenchurch Street, London(1670-74)*
St Michael, Wood Street, London (1670-75)*
St Mildred, Poultry, London(1670-76)*
St Olave, Old Jewry, London (1670-76)*
St Mary-at-Hill, Thames Street, London (1670-76)
St Mary, Aldermanbury, London (1670-76)*
St Edmund King and Martyr, Lombard Street, London (1670-79)
St Mary-le-Bow, Cheapside, London (1671-73)
St George Botolph Lane, London (1671-74)*
The Monument, Fish Street Hill, London (1671-76)
St Magnus Martyr, Lower Thames Street, London (1671-76)*
St Lawrence, Jewry, London (1671-77)
St Nicholas, Cole Abbey, London (1671-77)
St Bride, Fleet Street, London (1671-78)
St Stephen, Walbrook, London (1672-79)
St Stephen, Coleman Street, London (1674-76)*
St Bartholomew, Exchange, London (1674-79)*
St Peter, Cornhill, London (1675-81)
St Paul's Cathedral (1675-1710)
St Michael, Bassishaw, London (1676-79)*
St James, Garlick Hill, London (1676-83)
St Michael, Queenhithe, London (1676-87)*
St Anne and St Agnes, Gresham Street, London (1677-80)
St Antholin, Watling Street, London (1677-82)*
St Benet, Paul's Wharf, London (1677-83)
All Hallows the Great, Lombard Street, London (1677-83)*
St Martin, Ludgate, London (1677-84)
All Hallows, Bread Street, London (1677-84)*
St Swithin, Cannon Street, London (1677-85)*
Christ Church, Newgate Street, London (1677-87)(ruin only)
St Augustine, Watling Street, London (1680-83)*
St Matthew, Friday Street, London (1681-85)*
St Mary Abchurch, London (1681-86)
St Benet, Gracechurch Street, London (1681-86)*
St Mildred, Bread Street, London (1681-87)*
The Navy Office, Seething Lane, London (1682-83)*
St Alban, Wood Street, London (1682-85)*
St Mary Magdalene, Old Fish Street, London (1683-85)*
St Clement, Eastcheap, London (1683-87)
St Margaret Pattens, London(1684-87)
St Michael, Crooked Lane, London (1684-88)*
St Andrew, Holborn, London (1684-90)
St Andrew by the Wardrobe, London (1685-93)
St Margaret, Lothbury, London (1686-90)
St Michael, Paternoster Royal, College Hill, London (1686-94)
All Hallows, Lombard Street, London (1686-94)*
St Mary Somerset, Thames Street, london (1686-95)*
Bridgewater Square Development, London (1688)*
Writing School, Christ's Hospital, London (1692)*
Tower of St Mary Aldermary, Bow Lane, London (1702-4)
Royal Society Respository, Crane Court, Fleet Street, London (1711-12)*
St Michael, Cornhill,London, (tower and upper half of church) (1715-17)
Source
St. Bride is very close to all of our searches. It also has those weird burning urns like on top of the monument.
edit on 9-3-2012 by Doodle19815 because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 9-3-2012 @ 11:14 AM by HowardCrane
reply to post by Whateva69
Yes Solomon's treasure is exactly the treasure that the Templars were said to have acquired during the Crusades and have been protecting ever since. Also, and I haven't double checked this yet but, when I was looking at the floor plan for St. Paul's my first instant thought was that it looked a lot like the layout of Solomon's Temple which is said to possibly be a magic sigil of some sort. Now if Wren built this same church in the city where the Templar's brought Solomon's very treasure. It may be possible that the treasure is located at St. Paul's. If some of you could help me check into this I would appreciate it. This is really blowing my mind now that I have thought of it.
Yes Solomon's treasure is exactly the treasure that the Templars were said to have acquired during the Crusades and have been protecting ever since. Also, and I haven't double checked this yet but, when I was looking at the floor plan for St. Paul's my first instant thought was that it looked a lot like the layout of Solomon's Temple which is said to possibly be a magic sigil of some sort. Now if Wren built this same church in the city where the Templar's brought Solomon's very treasure. It may be possible that the treasure is located at St. Paul's. If some of you could help me check into this I would appreciate it. This is really blowing my mind now that I have thought of it.
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