In the future, I’m right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984

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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Other than the internet and the atomic bomb, Huxley was right on the money. He came close to the genetic engineering, but what Brave New World portrays is environmental manipulation by giving most of the population differing degrees of fetal alcoholism. It's not true genetics, but it is eugenics.




posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by LanceonW
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After reading both i got the feeling the PTB are using both, Huxley's method snags most of the population and are happy about it, but the measures are in place so that if you do see too far beyond the veil and starting acting apon it, then 1984 is ready and waiting.



As far as the internet goes, it is another great way to distribute entertainment but also for any information at all and for the time being (until TPB gain control over it) that means once people start to see things are amiss the internet is there to help find out what is really happening in the world...well as long as they have a working BS filter


Things seemed amiss for me in my teens but the net wasn't as developed as it is now and it resulted in me going back to sleep and learning how to drink everyone under the table as an attempt to just enjoy life and ignore what was blatantly wrong.


I agree with you 100%! Especially after looking at the image Metacomet attached in his/her post on page 1. Looking at that comic strip, I see our US Gov't using both simultaneously. "Big Brother" censorship is obvious in our society. Everyone is glued to a TV watching the latest episode of [insert mindless show here]. Our gov't doesn't tell us ANYTHING about what is REALLY going on, prime example is our MSM. The masses swallow these stories whole because they have been made so passive due to them being more worried about being on facebook, playing a game, watching that inserted mindless show, etc..

To summarize, I believe that TPTB, our US Gov't, or whomever is really running the show, is using Huxley's prediction/philosophy to make the masses passive by whatever vice is theirs, in order to implement Orwell's prediction/philosophy. If you have not looked at the image Metacomet included in page 1, go check it out. You can see how one (Brave New World) helps make the other possible (Nineteen Eighty-Four)



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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It would appear they were both right. A combined approach is the best way to control us and placate us.

It will in the future however I think prove them both wrong. I think they ignore the drive inside us to be free, the fact we fight back against the powers they point out and the fact that no power can stand up to or control a united populace.

I think it's more of loop always taking us around the same bend and back to the start, to play the track yet again.


So true.. I am truly awake to the world we live in, as I believe many of us here on ATS are. However, it's getting the masses to wake up. I do believe that our CONgress as someone put it earlier, will push too far in terms of controlling us. This is a natural human trait in those that are in power. They are there because they like the feeling and will always try to push the envelope to more power. Eventually people will wake up to the tyranny, and once the collective beast is awakened, both authors will be proven wrong.

I understand the loop you're talking about as well. It all starts at the top, and until there is a gov't that is essentially brought back to the constitutional standard, this cycle will not end. Once the dust settles from the uprising, there needs to be a true small governing body that will not abuse its people, placed into not power, but... Oh I can't find the word... maybe someone can help me out. I am not the greatest with words. They just need a body that will ensure no one will be taken advantage of. A body that can put themselves in the common peoples shoes and understand when they pass obscene laws, the damage that they are doing. I could go on, but I need to stop myself here. Hopefully everyone knows what I mean.
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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by 4REVOLUTION
Fantastic Thread OP! S&F.



I'm 27 now, and even though my Father had me read 1984 when I was 16, and consistently tried to open my eyes to what was going on 10-11yrs ago, it hadn't fully sank in until these last few years. Now, I'm just awestruck by all the blatant control of the American public, and just can't fully grasp how everyone can have the wool pulled over their eyes so easily.

I have not read Brave New World, as this is the first time I've ever heard of it. I for sure will be purchasing that as soon as I get home tonight and read it ASAP.


As of late, I've had the desire to just start protesting or attempting to organize protests to call out all the BS the Government is pulling on the American people, but I don't really know where to start, and when I express my views, my fellow Americans just brush me off saying "you're crazy."

Obviously the Fluoride affects some more than others.


Wow, it's funny how our experiences are mirrored. I am turning 27 this year, and had the exact same experiences as yourself minus the father piece. It was one of our books in school to read, and I as many teenagers in the 2000's, was more worried about everything in my social world. It never really sunk in with me.. I did question some obvious-to-me things the gov't was doing back then, but everyone around me tended to go with it. I had that herd mentality, so I followed suit.

I started waking up in 2008, little by little. It's funny because it was after I was out of school now that I think about it. I too have never heard of Brave New World until now. I've been wanting to protest, and attempt to awaken people as well, but so many are still responding with the "you're crazy" attitude to others I see no point. As I stated in my earlier post, I do have a tremendous amount of faith that the masses WILL wake up once "Big Brother" pushes too far and that will be the mark of a new age. We just have to ensure that the same types of people are not placed into those governing roles (not saying power) because it will not break the cycle. We need to ensure this cycle is broken after the revolution.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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I know majority of Ats is spiritual sleeping and un-aware of alot of things happening in todays world, you might think you do because your a member of a conspiracy website.. (lol) but Conspiracy and Spirituality are not in the same books.
The is one of David Ickes latest books, I have 5 more chapters left.. and its complete GENIUS. For those in denial.. that is your mentality and way of being (spiritually asleep) and Im sure the majority of Ats doesnt give a rats azz about David.. but this book is amazing and he has inside reliablilty (unlike any of you on ATs). This novel explains ALOT of what is going on, 20 years of research and spiritual development is MUCH more then 99% of Atser have done in their lives..

www.the-savoisien.com.../2010/12/20/David-Icke-Human-Race-Get-Off-Your-Knees-%3A-The-Lion-Sleeps-No-More

^ 650+ pgs; but worth the entire read. He connects the dots to everything going on today perfectly! I dont know why he is so dis-credited... I think its because hes spiritual and most people are not.

~ Love is an art



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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I think they were both wrong.

It is greed and arrogance that is our current downfall.

They are enslaving us by building this elaborate maze, we all scramble through to get the cheddar.

The answer is more devious than either had considered.

Or maybe the big reason they were promoted is because they helped add to the illusion that allowed the people controlling the money to trap us in this more devious device.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Interesting.

S+F.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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RUSSO,
This is an absolutely amazing find! Thank you for sharing this with us! Star & Flag! I have to admit I do love hearing and reading actually history and opinions shared between two very bright men. I am fans of both men, but always have been of Mr. Orwell. I will no doubt, be passing this along!
Thank you again RUSSO for sharing this great find!!



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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i read somewhere that both these guys attended the builderbergs of that era. they went to the meetings, then wrote the books, to prepare the public for what 'was to come.'

see i am amazed, when i was growing up, i would see these sci fi shows where big internaitionalists were ruling the world via corps and lobbiests. and everyone else would say, 'well that is where it is going.' and i would say, bull#, that looks like hell.

so if these guys did attend the meetings, and then got 'famous' for writing their books, then it was all a scam, to condition the public into accepting the 'inevitable.'

i am sick of internationalists. i am sick of their loyalty to 'profit' and some ancient zummerian concept of a chozen race.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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As Alex Huxley stated: "The boot in the face" method is inefficient. Kind of like communism and institutionalized slavery.

That is why I don't believe the sensationalist reports of mass FEMA camps. It's just too much work for them. If there Is going to be a FEMA camp.... of sorts, it will be the whole country, not just large segments of the population. They are so out of control that they can't even reign in Illegal immigrants yet in a significant way... to deport them.... So I'm not worrying about the rest of us.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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I dont know why he is so dis-credited


Maybe because some things he said in the past?



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by Atzil321
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The internet is a tool limited only by the users imagination. If someone wants to use it for entertainment only, then that is a bad reflection of that person as an individual. It does not diminish it's capacity for spreading ideas and knowledge at a speed undreamed of by our parents generation. As an example consider the arab spring. Twitter, Facebook and youtube were all used to coordinate the uprisings by the people themselves, and the same sites have provided the best window into what's happening on the Arab street 'not the msm'.

Another example at how fast the internet can spread information and generate interest is this video here. 34 million hits in 4 days. The start of the vid actually talks about what i am trying to say here 'but finding hard to express'. I realy believe the internet is a tool that can bring all of humanity together and set us free. We must never let them take it away from us.




Quite right. And sadly the Kony 2012 video is our "2 minutes hate" (technically 29 minutes hate).
The hypnotic suggestion seems to be working very well.
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Atzil321
I am sure huxley would change his mind if he was around nowadays, and saw the power the internet has on all our lives.


No, that would justify his assertions. To paraphrase, he claimed we would be lulled into submission and thusly controlled through a combination of pharmaceuticals, sex and various entertaining distractions.

Bingo.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by kosmicjack

Originally posted by Atzil321
I am sure huxley would change his mind if he was around nowadays, and saw the power the internet has on all our lives.


No, that would justify his assertions. To paraphrase, he claimed we would be lulled into submission and thusly controlled through a combination of pharmaceuticals, sex and various entertaining distractions.

Bingo.


True.

The consumerism and over-technology describe our society pretty well. But now we can see the begining of censorship and socialism from the 1984. 1984 does describe the average citizen today pretty well too, so it's very close. Both books are amazing. They should be teach in every school in the world.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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I agree with the many posters on this thread, it is a blend of both.

If we cannot be lulled into sleep, we will be beat into submission.

The Occupy Movement is proof we will be beat into submission. While some of Occupy has "entitled types", the message is still 100% Clear. We are not in control of our country or western society, and if we persist in rebelling it will become law to put down any dissenting voice with jail, or worse. The best power the Government has is to marginalize us, and label us like popular kids label the outcasts. Implied wrongness and separation by labels backed by peer pressure and used car salesman tactics.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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I've read both books. IMHO,...

Huxley's view = democratic distopia
Orwell's view = republican distopia

Not only do they co-exist, there are some nations expressing one and others the other. The USA leans toward huxley these dayz while N Korea, China, etc lean orwellian.

Its all about the sex.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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WOW!!!
I've saved this ENTIRE thread so I can print it and give to those who call me crazy.

S&F



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posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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If you have not read ISLAND, Huxley's last novel - it is intriguing - I will not give away the plot
but the message is the mynah birds saying ATTENTION ATTENTION HERE AND NOW BOYS, here and now, as the motorcycle becomes the snake in paradise.

Reaching up to find a limb at the beginning of the book - but it is a snake as the character climbs a hill is an analogy to the motorcycle.

When Huxley's house burned down - he left all behind and ran out the door with the Island manuscript.

Huxley's last words - ONWARDS AND UPWARDS! If I recall correctly, he was on '___' when he died.

ATTENTION ATTENTION - could be an admonition to those of us stuck in our cell phones and texting world ignoring the eyes of those around us - and the decimation of pollinators by wireless tech. I have turned OFF my cell phone using it just in emergencies. There are 7 billion people - and 6 billion cell phones.

AND NEW IPAD goes into the 4G - can be 10 times faster - how many more times as fast killing the bees... and US??

Attention - here and now boys, here and now....





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