Island of 26,000 missing for 2 days now - (La Tortue, Haiti), page 3
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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 11:09 AM by Hellmutt
Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
This says it all!
Rebels!


Good point.
There was an earthquake as we know,
causing a tsunami which drowned the island.
And if rebels were controlling the island...
However, it seems like the island had a population over 50.000.


reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 12:00 PM by Mr No One
Originally posted by Amelia
Listen...I'm a bit worried here...The hurricane in Haïti is a VERY big DISASTER o.k! This is something that every country should show on the news...there are like more than 2000 persons who are dead and everything is completely ruined. Haïti is the poorest country in America and now they are in deep problems. Who helps them?!! Where I come from QUÉBEC, they made a big fund raising to help them, special reports on t.v, it's something everybody talks about here! Americans don't give a crap about poor little ''nobodys'' who live in Haïti. Why?! In America there was a hurrican and it was like a major catastrophy but in Haïti, it's 10X worst! I'm so glad I live in a country that CARES for poor countries!!!!

Send love to haïtians
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Amelia,

Not living in the US, how can you say that we don't give a crap about this situation. Consider the fact that parts of our own population have been devastated by this disaster. Isn't it logical that the US news coverage would focus on the US tragedies? I'm sure the Haitian news isn't talking about how bad things are in Florida.

I'll even go so far as to say if a huge blizzard devastaed the North-Eastern portion of North America, the Canadian news wouldn't focus on how bad things were in America. I think you being too judgemental.

BTW - Thought you might want to do some research before continuing to judge people....
Floridians working to help Carribean hurricane victims
other organizations across the US trying to help


reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 04:27 PM by worldwatcher
Okay I finally got a reply regarding this story from Don Noe, Local10 meteorologist.
www.local10.com...

here's his reply:
From what I can gather, if there was an earthquake around the time of the
tropical storm, it was minor and would not have caused any damage, let
alonge a tsunami. Believe me, if something drastic happened, the news media
would have been all over it!

dn



reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 04:45 PM by Hellmutt
Originally posted by worldwatcher
Okay I finally got a reply regarding this story from Don Noe, Local10 meteorologist.
www.local10.com...

here's his reply:
From what I can gather, if there was an earthquake around the time of the
tropical storm, it was minor and would not have caused any damage, let
alonge a tsunami. Believe me, if something drastic happened, the news media
would have been all over it!

dn


Sorry, but I´m not buying it.

This article says : "Fears were growing for remote L'iles de la Tortue, which was was hit by a tsunami."

And what about this earthquake:

USGS: Magnitude 5.7 - NORTH ATLANTIC OCEAN
2004 September 18 07:07:48 UTC

The fact that USGS now have removed this earthquake doesn´t make me change my mind.
They´re hiding something...

EDIT: I found the quake. It has a new link instead of the old one.
They even had a better zoomed picture (below) :
neic.usgs.gov...



[edit on 2004/9/30 by Hellmutt]


reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 05:04 PM by worldwatcher
i can't believe i actually found something:


haitisupport.gn.apc.org...
21 September - The government delegate for the North-West, Henry Max Télus, has denied rumours going round Port-au-Prince that the island of La Tortue is submerged by flood-waters. He said that La Tortue was not hit by floods and that only bodies washed up on the shore from the mainland had been found. The delegate took the opportunity to deplore the fact that he had no means to help those effected by the disaster, adding that only one lorry carrying food had reached the department. (AHP)



reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 06:55 PM by radstar
You are going to have to search a little deeper to find out the magnatude of the human tragedy taking place right now in Haiti. The same must be said for finding out what is currently being done to relieve the suffering in Bangladesh, Florida, India, and all the other complicated disasters.

My first search was to the Red Cross-Red Cresent website where I found their most recent assessment of the problems in Haiti is dated Sept 24, 2004, a week ago.

Here's the link to the pdf file.
www.ifrc.org.../220401.pdf

As of the 24th the Red Cross had airlifted 32 tons of rice, beans and oil to be distributed where it is needed the most.


Since that date I have seen the rioting at distribution centers in Gonavies (spelling?) and the hasty retreat back to the armed and steel door armed fortress warehouse and the poigniant video clip of red cross rice, beans and oil for sale on the local black market for three and four times the normal price.

Hence the Chinese have been deputized by the UN to go to Haiti and manage the distribution of food stores under the almighty blue beret.

I, personally, can't bear watching much televised news these days.

No one seems to be able to act with human compassion or caring. Sad times.

The Salvation Army, and the plethora of charities are in place, or moving goods to the scene, helping alleve the suffering. It will take more than plastic tarps and a few pounds of dry foods to heal these wounds.

So far I haven't found any believable reporting regarding the missing inhabitants of Tortuga. I fear for the worst and hope for the best.

And I sincerely doubt there were any last minute dramatic rescues that removed that many people from Tortuga to Haiti. The logistics of such an endeavor appears to exceed the capababilities of those in power in Haiti.

rad


reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 07:19 PM by radstar
www.networkforgood.org...


www.catholicnews.com... - 13k

Art work by Haitian Artists that have been donated to help build the relief funds for this descimated country. See this link for pages of paintings and drawings that the purchase of makes a contribution to Haitian relief.

www.medalia.net...


www.medalia.net...

Hurricane Jeanne
"Tropical storm Jeanne hit Haiti between 17 and 19 September with torrential rains causing severe flooding and landslides in the north of the country. The most affected departments include l'Artibonite, Plateau Central, Sud and the Nord-Ouest. The town of Gonaïves, with a population of around 200,000 people, and its surrounding area has been hardest hit. ...

Today, 24 September, only some 30 per cent of roads are accessible, complicating access for aid to be brought in to the town. 95 per cent of Gonaïves has been affected and only houses on the side of the hills have been spared...The death toll has risen to over 1,000 in Gonaïves alone and the number of missing and feared dead has been placed at around 1,250..."

*excerpted from recent Red Cross/Red Crescent Update

For those wishing to make a donation to help the people of Haiti we recommend the following:

American Red Cross - donate funds online for international disaster relief
International Red Cross/Red Crescent - donate online and earmark donation for Haiti
International Red Cross/Red Crescent - donate to Haiti (or general fund) via bank transfer
Haitian National Red Cross Society - contact information for Haitian branch of the Red Cross
CARE - contribute to the emergency appeal for $3 million to provide assistance flood survivors in northwestern Haiti.
UNICEF - supporting Hurricane Relief in the Caribbean
For those of you who are interested in sending tangible goods such as food and clothing to haiti we urge you to read this article from the Red Cross.


www.buzzle.com...

How You Can Help Haiti's Flood Victims
As the full extent of the devastation wreaked by tropical storm Jeanne emerges, George Wright reports on aid agencies' relief efforts and how you can contribute.
By Guardian Newspapers, 9/24/2004


Jeanne has claimed at least 700 lives in Haiti and destroyed homes and farms, but its impact has been greatly exacerbated by the underlying problems of deforestation and poverty.

The Red Cross is sending a plane carrying 5,000 blankets, 1,100 hygiene kits and 900 kitchen sets to meet the immediate needs of people on the island, many of whom have been made homeless. It has also launched a £1.8m emergency appeal to provide further support for Jeanne's victims.

"Many people have lost everything and we urgently need to provide food, shelter and clean water. Thousands of families have had their homes ruined or destroyed and the floodwaters have contaminated the water supply," said British Red Cross expert on the region Philippe Puyo-Tschanz.

"It's vital that clean water is provided to prevent this disaster becoming a public health crisis."

The British Red Cross is also running a Caribbean appeal to assist people in the Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Haiti, Grenada and Cuba who have been affected by the recent hurricanes.

People can donate by calling 0870 169 9191, or by writing to Caribbean Hurricane Appeal, British Red Cross, FREEPOST, London, SW1X 7BR.

Oxfam is concentrating efforts on setting up supplies of clean water for survivors whose homes and livelihoods have been destroyed by the storm.


Let's not just talk about this, people. Let's do something to help.

Find a charity of your choice and make a donation. Or start a rice bag collection in your office, school, or church. Make helping others a part of your life. With the way things are going right now on star ship earth, the next person in need might be you.

rad


reply posted on 2-10-2004 @ 06:49 PM by CatHerder
Originally posted by MattMarriott
Originally posted by Hellmutt
[I found the quake. It has a new link instead of the old one.
They even had a better zoomed picture (below) :
neic.usgs.gov...





Have you ever experienced a 5.7 magnitude earthquake?

I have. I lived in Vancouver BC for 8 years and then in Los Angeles for 2 years. A 5.7 earthquake is about as disasterous as a large semi truck rumbling on by beside your house. Sure, some dishes rattle, and maybe something gets broken because it falls down - but it sure as heck doesn't cause loss of life (unless a picture frame falls on your head) and it certainly doesn't cause any disaster (unless that picture was a Rembrant and it fell in your pool).
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