I'm just curious as to what our female members on ATS think or feel on the subject of this war in Iraq.
1) Do you agree with it and why or why not ?
2) Do you think the war is being handled right and why or why not ?

Any view you have or opionion about this war , is fine. Throw off your Democrat/Republican/Independ/Green/Bi-pa/ shell and be your self, let loose on how you really feel about this war.


I myself am totally against it. Being in Iraq was a mistake IMO. As a mother I would do everything I could to talk my children into NEVER joining the United States Services. That kind of life seem's to be very unpredictable as in not knowing what a President may choose to do,.... ie, start a war and such, it's too dangerous and I'm not willing to give any of my family members to a president to do as he wants.
I know there's all sorts of dangers in this world BUT, I for one would not go a long with my child being sent to fight a war, specially this one,...... knowing full well that it may be the last time I'll ever see them again.
In trust my children to a man that thinks he's one of the "chosed" by GOD, not in this life-time.

I'm wondering what being female has to do with my oppinions on this war? Would a male perspective be drastically different?

I don't agree with the reasons given for why we went - they were false and misleading. I don't agree that it will accomplish one single thing to thwart terrorism, may cause more, and for us to attack a soverign nation unprovoked is sickening. As for it being handled the right way - what IS the right way? We're stuck. We can't leave, and staying isn't accomplishing much and ticking off everyone, it seems.

. Well like I said on another post I am the mother of two draft age children yes even when they are 18 and 20 they are still my babies.

I don't agree with the war in Iraq, who can, I am proud of the service my family members had given to our nation and my husband is a retired marine.

Do I want my son to serve? No, I don't, no for the wrong reason. Iraq was a war in wish many of our young had die, yes they are serving voluntarily, but they are dying because a lie.

They were taken to Iraq for what they believe to be a noble cause but now it's been a lie our love ones are target practice for the terrorist that US administration had allowed to came into Iraq.

i'm just curious why they should NEVER join the service? do you think because there's always going to be somebody else to join in their place? it use to be seen as one's duty to join the service for a bit of time, to serve your country.

Originally posted by RedBalloon
I'm wondering what being female has to do with my oppinions on this war? Would a male perspective be drastically different?

In my case I am happy to have a thread in wish I can talk as women.

Originally posted by RedBalloon
I'm wondering what being female has to do with my oppinions on this war? Would a male perspective be drastically different?

Your right, please feel free to speak, anyone can speak what they feel I know men have feelings too.

[edit on 20-9-2004 by nanna_of_6]

Good question nanna.
I think that ALL war in general is barbaric and stupid. I wish we did'nt have to resort to war at all ever. But I'm resigned to the fact that humans are going to resort to it for a very long time until everyone is more spiritually evolved or have learned a valuable lesson about how stupid it is.
I sort've understood Bush going into Afghanistan. He was looking for Osama right? Where he totally lost me was when he went on into Iraq.
Even then I kind've went along with it. In my head I said "well, okay so Sadam is evil, I guess I can understand that, as long as he is still looking for WMD." Well no WMD have been found! Osama has'nt been found! He went haywire. Now I think Bush is just a warmonger and I'm really suspicious now that he has ulterior motives that have nothing to do with his great "War on Terror".
And they say Kerry is wishywashy?
Anyway the answer to your question is: No, Bush is not doing a good job with Iraq. I think he lacks the foresight to help poor Iraqi citizens anyway. How can he when he does'nt even help the poor U.S. citizens HERE. He can only relate to the rich.
I would not want my only son involved in this administration's war. They would'nt care whether he lived or died. He'd just be another warm body to them. There's no honor or glory in that.

Originally posted by astroblade
i'm just curious why they should NEVER join the service? do you think because there's always going to be somebody else to join in their place? it use to be seen as one's duty to join the service for a bit of time, to serve your country.

It's women in the military, I don't understan what you mean by this post, we have women dying in Iraq too.

I say let my children live and I will serve. They come for them, over this crazy Bush war and they wont get them. I"LL GO.
I am totally against this war because its a war that is senseless, its a war to find WMD which didnt exist, its a war to make Bush & co. richer and richer and 9/11, the cause of this war (supposedly) is suspect to begin with. This Bush war will go down in history as a criminal vendetta against humanity, will have lost so many innocent lives, women, children in Iraq, who only try to live the best they can. Those people are humans. We've blown up thousands upon thousands of theirs and ours and for what?
Just to give Bush and Daddy Bush a rush in the cowboy jeans.
This is criminal. Vote for Bush and things will get much worse. Vote for Bush and get ready for the draft and get ready for WWIII.
Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Where is Osama?
WHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADEN, THE SUPPOSED PERPETRATOR OF 9/11???
Something tells me he's going to come out when the time is right.
AND HOW COME THERE HASNT BEEN ANY TERROR THREATS SINCE BUSH IS AHEAD IN THE POLLS? COINCIDENCE?????
I'm sick of lies upon lies.

Originally posted by astroblade
i'm just curious why they should NEVER join the service? do you think because there's always going to be somebody else to join in their place? it use to be seen as one's duty to join the service for a bit of time, to serve your country.

I suppose I should have used a different word other than "never", I could have said I'd do everything I could to talk them into NOT joining. My not wanting any of my children to join has nothing to do with the ( there will always be someone else to join in their place),....... not by a long shot. I cherish all lives,...... I do not have to know them, to worry about them and I'm not only talking about OUR people, I'm also talking about the innocents in Iraq, and the coalation-forces.

This war is so wrong, so very wrong,...... the Iraqis had done nothing to bring this on to start with. This president is a lunatic in his thinking, God told him to attack Iraq,...... , to use GOD in this form just to get the Christians to back him,....... is just one step closer to hell. for the President, IMO.
I do not see any good coming from this war, and as anyone that watchs TV can see,...... the terrorist and other Middle Eastern people are not going to give up without a fight.
I would not want anyone to fight this war,..... not my kids,...... not yours,.... not anyones,..... because it will be a waste of young lives for a war that was started on lies.
This President was wrong,...... dead wrong, and there is no way I'm going to indorse this war by keeping quiet and allowing one of my kid's or any other kid I know , join without protesting my concerns and reasons why they should not join, specially this war , with the President that we have.

I am hesitant to respond to this thread, but here goes.

Of course, I wouldn't want my child to go (for my own selfish reasons!) but I would never interfere with their decision to join the military.

I hope and pray that we will always continue to have brave citizens who want to serve their country by enlisting in the military. Otherwise, we may not continue to have a country that is like no other in the world.

Now be gentle, lol.

Rokgodes

Originally posted by Rokgodes
I am hesitant to respond to this thread, but here goes.

Of course, I wouldn't want my child to go (for my own selfish reasons!) but I would never interfere with their decision to join the military.

Now be gentle, lol.

Rokgodes

Don't worry I agree with you I am very selfish mother too, I wounder if any mother would not be selfish when it comes to their own, but like you I will not interfere with their decisions, but I would hope that if they have to die for this country would be for a good reason.

If our country came into attack and we get invaded you bet I will be in there fighting with my man and my fellow americans for our country.

[edit on 21-9-2004 by marg6043]

Whats the difference from a male oppinion and a femaile oppinion? Nanna_of_6 I don't know how to put this in other words but is this a slezzy way to get girls?

Originally posted by Rokgodes
Of course, I wouldn't want my child to go (for my own selfish reasons!) but I would never interfere with their decision to join the military.


Well the Draft takes away their decision, they are "volunteered", not volunterring. Big difference.

Originally posted by nanna_of_6
I would do everything I could to talk my children into NEVER joining the United States Services. That kind of life seem's to be very unpredictable ... it's too dangerous and I'm not willing to give any of my family members

Of course being in the military is unpredictable and dangerous.

If everyone thought like that then this country wouldn't be
free, Europe would be under the Nazi's, and the terrorists would have
free reign around the world. You are free to think as you like, but your
freedom to do so came at the high cost of human life. I see you are
willing to reap the rewards of freedom, but not willing to help to keep
us free.

I'm a mom, so I understand your hesitation in having family members
fight and possibly die. I'm also an Army vet so I understand the need
to fight wars to keep America and the world safe.

Going into Iraq was the right decision. It absolutely had to be done.
Restructuring will take YEARS, not weeks. Americans here are used to
FAST things ... fast food, fast medical care, fast everything. Remember,
reconstruction took years and years for Japan and Germany after WWII.

Reconstruction isn't going as well as it could. This is not the fault of
America. It is the fault of France, Germany, and Russia. Old Europe
refuses to help because they are still upset over loosing all those
ILLEGAL deals with pre-war Iraq and Saddam Hussien.

Blame Old Europe and the UN for the problems going on in Iraq.
Not America. We are actually doing something to end slaughter and
torture. The UN stood by and did nothing. Nothing ... as usual...
except skim billions off the Oil for Food program. The UN continues
to let Iraqis die and be murdered be terrorists, and they stand by
doing nothing except brokering illegal $$$ deals and stealing from
the Iraqi people.

Originally posted by elaine
I think he lacks the foresight to help poor Iraqi citizens anyway. How can he when he does'nt even help the poor U.S. citizens HERE. He can only relate to the rich.

Last year he promised a multi-trillion $$$ package to Africa to
fight AIDS there. That isn't relating to the rich. That's helping
poor black people on the other side of the planet.

I actually disagreed with his doing this. Those multi-trillions of
$$$$ came from our tax money and I thought if he was going to
spend it on humanitarian efforts, it should have been spent here,
on our infrastructure (which would create jobs and help America),
or spend it on the needy in the Appalachians or the Native Americans
in the SouthWest, etc. etc.

But he saw fit to use it to help poor black people on the other side
of the planet who are dying of a horrid disease. (not exactly rich
people)

I am a woman and a Mom and a grandma. I was against it from the beginning and knew Bush was just too gungho to send out troops into war in Iraq. I felt we should have continued on with the WMD searches and negotiations. I also felt that the Bush administration was using our wave of patriotism and fear after 911 against us. A counselor once told me if you can keep someone fearful and confused then you have complete control. The last three years after 911 has been a confusing time full of color coded terrorist alerts, more stepped up security in airports and more homeland security, LOL yeah we got one guy who is the homeland security czar, wow do I feel safe? The thing about moving in without UN support meant that the Bush Administration would have total control over the spoils of war. If we had went in with UN support they would have decided who got those contacts, Halliburton might not have fared so well. We can still turn this mess over to the UN and work with them to stop the war and the killings in Iraq, maybe then we might be able to see a way out of this mess but I'm afraid if Bush gets re-elected then things are not going to get any better I think we will continue on invading other countries to get those terrorists and to help those poor people, (sarcasm). I also think there will be a draft started in or by 2005.

[edit on 21-9-2004 by goose]

woman here and I am against the war on Iraq.

Somehow the war on terrorism, 9/11 and Bin Laden got mixed up with Iraq and now we are in a hellhole clambering to get out. I feel that the decision to go to war in Iraq was rushed, and based on lies. I could go on and rant and rave about all the negatives, but I am trying to avoid politics and would like to live in my own little bubble for a little while more, november isn't too far away.

I've got a simple question. What would your views be if we had found already, or still eventually find WMD's, or we suddenly prove that they were in Iraq's very near future?

Originally posted by livenlearn
I've got a simple question. What would your views be if we had found already, or still eventually find WMD's, or we suddenly prove that they were in Iraq's very near future?

my opinion wouldn't change.....there wasn't and isn't any imminent threat from Saddam or Iraq. However since invading Iraq, IMO the threat from extremists all around the world has increased...and a bigger issue of North Korea who actually has WMD's isn't being handled properly by the Bush Admin.