If Jesus was Infact the son of "God" Arn't we all?

reply to post by TedHodgson

But aren't we technically all Children of God, His sons and daughters "in his own image" , or the "Flock" of god, why was Jesus any more of Child of the Almighty than any man or woman on Earth?

Because he is the son of Elohim who was concieved by the Holy Spirit, his Father is the Holy Spirit and is Divine. We are not divine. We became the children of Satan when the progenitors chose his way over Elohim's way.

John 8: 37-47

“I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[l] your father.”

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”'

John 8:44 Jesus pretty much throws it down. Until you accept him as your Savior and King your Father is Lucifer not Yah. A Son of God would understand and believe in Jesus because his spirit has been remade by him. Those who cannot understand him are not of him, because darkness cannot comprehend light.

John 1: 1-5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

A child of darkness cannot bear witness of the light, nor can it understand the light. Otherwise there would be no unbelievers.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

A child of darkness cannot bear witness of the light, nor can it understand the light. Otherwise there would be no unbelievers.

This is contrived.
There are no children of darkness.
This is just your hate coming out in your desire to kill people you consider inferior to you.

The problem with religion today is that we do not accept all forms of truth. Even if we say we are about the truth we still only contain ourselves within certain books. In order to get the whole picture you must first understand somethings.

The god and his angels:

Got mad and confused our languages.
Tested mankind to brink of almost extinction.
Confused religions leaving mankind warring with one another.

After you accept this seeing as how there are so mant cultures and languages out there what has to be done?

Well you cannot simply expect the Holy Bible to give you the whole answer. Nor one religion for that matter. Your going to have to do the unthinkable in terms of religions and combine them and when you do don't be afraid to look into science.

Science and Religion are pretty much the samething. One is based on experience such as seeing with eyes. The other is based on something we like to call faith.

Truth is in both. And once you combine both you will find harmony.

So what is the point here? Well no one is chosen in the kingdom of god. Sure we have a thing called a savior but is he truly chosen after all he is just a man. What is this saviors mission?

Lets look at somethings here. Well if the Jews were truly chosen people. They wouldn't have wandered in the desert for aslong as they did. They wouldn't of had a holocaust put down on them. If there truly is a god he was teaching the jews to be humble.

But ofcourse they got spoiled when America handed them Israel.

God is telling you Jews are not chosen. In the kingdom of god no one is.

...to be continued tomorrow.

reply to post by 1Sun3Mud6

The problem with religion today is that we do not accept all forms of truth.

Well, personally I can only speak for the Christian faith, but its^ not that way for us, we just don't accept all claims to be truth as "forms" of truth unless the Word of God also agrees.

Like the Bereans.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I would say you are an anti-christian in that you believe the church has to be done away with, along with all Christians and that the earth will be restored to as it was before Christ ever came.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

I would say you are an anti-christian in that you believe the church has to be done away with,

I've never in my life said the Christian church needs to be done away with. What the heck are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with what I said.

along with all Christians and that the earth will be restored to as it was before Christ ever came.

Along with Christians? Christians are never done away with, I believe in eternal security. And Christ is coming to rule and reign in truth and righteousness, that's a good thing, not a bad one jm.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

A child of darkness cannot bear witness of the light, nor can it understand the light. Otherwise there would be no unbelievers.

This is contrived.
There are no children of darkness.
This is just your hate coming out in your desire to kill people you consider inferior to you.

Wrong. You obviously cannot read. There is no hate in me. You accuse someone of hate because they disagree with what others do and because i do not condone their sin and love it and revel in it with them i hate them? Well then by all means, i will continue to hate them then, because i refuse to condone murdering unborn babies, homosexuality, adultery, pornography, prostitution, war, greed and selfishness.

So yes, call me a hater then because i have no problems coming out away from babylon and being seperate. You however will be found inside Babylon when the King returns.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Actually, I don't even believe that Jesus died on the cross.


Wow, that's BOLD!!!! Not even Atheist and Agnostic scholars and historians deny Christ died on a Roman cross. Guy Ludemann and Bart Ehrman both say it's an "indisputable fact" of antiquity. When even hostile sources don't deny the claim that's very strong evidence for truth.

I believe his death was faked.


How do you fake not being able to rise up on the nail in one's feet to be able to take another breath? The Roman soldiers knew Christ was dead because He stopped lifting Himself up to catch a breath. Humans die without breathing bro.

Then to make sure, a Roman soldier thrust a spear into Christ's heart and water and blood flowed from the wound. The American Medical Association did a study years ago and determined the accounts from the Bible, I.E. blood and water flowing from His chest wound, would be expected from a scourging and final death by asphyxiation.

And lets say He didn't die on the cross. Josephus records the tale of 3 men taken down from the cross and given the best medical care Rome could muster and two of the three still died as a result. Jesus would never have been afforded the best medical care of the Empire, He wasn't a Roman citizen.

So basically Christ was beaten, scourged, beard plucked out, nailed to a Roman cross, and had a spear thrust into His side and He walked away from that after 3 days without intensive care?

Now THAT Sir, truly boggles the rational mind.

I believe that he went on, to France, or some say to India or even the Americas, and continued his ministry.


Then the apostles were idiots. Not only did they ALL refuse to recant in the face of martyrdom, but they didn't even realize they were lying about Christ dying and raising from the dead?? AMAZING!!! That's an even bigger miracle than the ones recorded in the book of ACTS!!!

I am surprised that you are unfamiliar with this argument and are therefore unprepared to answer it.

Are you unaware of Dan Brown's book, and the movie made from it "The DaVince Code?" Or what about the book, "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln, who claim Dan Brown plagiarized their research. Or "The Sign of the Dove" written by Elizabeth Van Buren.

There are many books, from many sources, published over many years that make the claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross. It is not new at all!

The body of Jesus was NOT in the grave. People saw him, talked to him and felt his wounds with their own hands. DUH! He was alive! Not resurrected. Occam's Razor my friend!

reply to post by markosity1973


Thanks for that considerate and very well thought out post.

Sorry, but you haven't made you argument as to the Garden of Eden, and the "offsprings" question, IMO.

There is another world religion out there that agrees with you on that one. But consider this; the Catholic Church knows where the remains of almost all of the main characters are with two notable exceptions; Jesus and his mother Mary. I know there are all sorts of conspiracy theories out there about this including among other things that the church conveniently forgot about or disposed of his remains in order to keep the story believable. But think of this; If Jesus remains were found, don't you think it would be 'good for business' i.e there would be a massive influx of pilgrims wanting to visit them.

LOL! I'm sure that the Vatican knows where ALL the bodies are buried.

The Catholic church isn't in the business of telling the truth. They are in the power and control through fear and the suppression of dissent business. They probably have all kinds of text hidden in their secret corridors that reveal truths that would truly help mankind, but they will never share them. Consider Galileo.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Your post has nothing to do with what I said.

What you said was essentially presenting yourself as the representative of Christians.
I was just warning that you do not represent Christianity but an anti-christian off-shoot religion which believes all christians will be removed from the earth and the church will no longer exist, replaced by animal sacrificing Jews in a temple on a mountain in Palestine.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

. . . i will continue to hate them then . . .

You have taken your seat on the throne of Satan, the accuser of the people.

reply to post by windword


Umm, Da Vinci Code is found in the fiction section of the bookstore. Have you ever seen "Da Vinci Deception"? Not only does Dan Brown get history wrong, he deliberately deceives about historical facts.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Your post has nothing to do with what I said.

What you said was essentially presenting yourself as the representative of Christians.

No, I said I can only speak on behalf of the Christian faith is because I myself, trust Jesus. I never said I speak for all Christians. Read next time plz.

I was just warning that you do not represent Christianity but an anti-christian off-shoot religion which believes all christians will be removed from the earth and the church will no longer exist, replaced by animal sacrificing Jews in a temple on a mountain in Palestine.

No, I don't represent that nonsense. I never claimed to. The Jews will be brought to Christ through jealousy and tribulation, 2/3 will die. They'll become Christians, not replace Christ with Judaism.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Umm, Da Vinci Code is found in the fiction section of the bookstore. Have you ever seen "Da Vinci Deception"? Not only does Dan Brown get history wrong, he deliberately deceives about historical facts.

Um, yeah! The Da Vince Code is a fictional novel based the theory that Jesus didn't die on the cross but lived on and had children. It's actually a very popular theory, and the only one that makes any sense. There are tons of scholarly works on this topic.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Your post has nothing to do with what I said.

What you said was essentially presenting yourself as the representative of Christians.
I was just warning that you do not represent Christianity but an anti-christian off-shoot religion which believes all christians will be removed from the earth and the church will no longer exist, replaced by animal sacrificing Jews in a temple on a mountain in Palestine.

Isn't this describing the post "rapture" tribualtion? Don't you subscribe to "the rapture theory?" I was taught that, when Jesus comes back, any day now, he will take all the Christians away from the earth, leaving it as jm has suggested.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


And thats why your never going where you think you are going. Thats exactly why the christian religion will never again be what it was.

If there bible has a different name for the same god we worship lets kill'em eh?

reply to post by 1Sun3Mud6


...continuation

So with that being said what is the saviors mission? Well incase you didn't know mankind is so confused on which paths to follow. That the only mission he could have is help the blind to see.

Help the blind to see....what does that mean?

Do you really believe a man can actually help a blind man who will never see again see?

Let me help you out. Being dumb or misinformed is the same as being blind.

It's like notyourtypical account up there reading one sentence of a post and automatically doing the very thing the bible tells them not to do. BEING JUDGEMENTAL.

If they read that and truly got enlightened did I not just help the blind to see?

They might realise now that putting faith in one book after Towe of Babylon tells you right in the bible everything got confused. That maybe the truth is all scattered around!

That's where the savior comes in. To teach people the way! To help the blind to see.

Cause mankind still hasn't figured it out yet!

Originally posted by 1Sun3Mud6
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

And thats why your never going where you think you are going. Thats exactly why the christian religion will never again be what it was.

If there bible has a different name for the same god we worship lets kill'em eh?

No, we're not killing anyone. But Acts 17:11 is our model. We can accept everything with readiness of mind, but then check to see how it aligns with the revealed Word of scripture. Just like the Bereans who were praised for that attitude.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Did you ever check to see how christianity aligns with the rest of the worlds religions including ancient ones?

If you did you know christianity is a re telling of old mythologies. And if you knew that you would know that god and allah are the same deity. And if you knew that then you know that god and his angels are the gods in countries like egypt and greece.

And if you know all that then you know the bible isn't the only source of information here.

And if you knew that then you know that the only way to see and find the light is by combining many different religions together.

The only way your ever going to see a heaven is through meditation. Your not born to go to heaven you have to earn that right! And church isn't meditation!

Pay attention to jesus's teachings you will find a spiritual buddhist!

Originally posted by 1Sun3Mud6
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Did you ever check to see how christianity aligns with the rest of the worlds religions including ancient ones?

You mean the Zeitgeist movie? It's been thoroughly debunked on here. What you actually see is other religions copying Christianity. Do some real scholarship.

If you did you know christianity is a re telling of old mythologies. And if you knew that you would know that god and allah are the same deity. And if you knew that then you know that god and his angels are the gods in countries like egypt and greece.

I'm not even addressing that. Allah isn't the same god.

Pay attention to jesus's teachings you will find a spiritual buddhist!

Buddha was an atheist, Jesus said He was the Son of the Living God. Those are opposites in case you're confused.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Sorry but most cultures around the world regardless of religion aknowledge a flood and also aknowledge a starting spot for man.

It has nothing to do with those videos. What documentary on religion don't tell you that most cultures around the world believe in the same root stuff.

Buddhism is not atheist.

That is why are conversation is over.