Oliver Stone: Allen Dulles engineered JFK assassination

reply to post by Nicolas Flamel


Thanks OP, very interesting info, leading to even more fascinating theories.

I'm reading 11/22/63 by Stephen King now, and I'm very into the subject (again, having studied it a few times before) so thank you once more for reminding the Stone's angle.

reply to post by 8311-XHT

One thing I find very strange is that you have people scattered around who seem to be believe all these things are going on yet nothing ever comes of it. There is no movement to stop it.

Oh well there is still Research Groups and thing's like that out there - I'm in the UK and one of the biggest here that I know of is called 'DealeyPlazaUK' for example, a research organisation that still meet up from time to time:

Dealey Plaza UK is a UK research organisation that is dedicated to researching the assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963. It has taken its name from the enclosed area of downtown Dallas where President Kennedy was killed.

Dealey Plaza UK originated in the 1990s and began by holding regular monthly meetings around the country, which attracted members of the public who were interested in and concerned about latest developments surrounding the assassination.

A conference is held yearly at Canterbury Christ Church University, Kent that attracts members of the public from as far as Denmark and North America. Regular meetings are also held in the London area and have attracted many well-known faces in the assassination community such as George Michael Evica, Dr James H. Fetzer and Harrison Edward Livingstone.

Dealey Plaza UK publishes the Dealey Plaza Echo three times a year. Many of its researchers have contributed research papers on the subject that have been reprinted in a number of magazines and in book form

(Source)

I know there's quite a few similar thing's in America as well. So we may almost be 50 years on now.. but thing's are still being done. Websites are still being built. Books are still being wrote. Documentaries are still being made etc. all in an effort to find truths in this case. And until it's found I can't imagine people will stop looking for it. I should hope not anyway. We forget our own history at a risk in my opinion.

Conferences are held in the U.S. also. The biggest ones are usually around the anniversary date of Nov. 22, and are held in Dallas, Texas.

The last one in Dallas, 2011 went on from Nov. 18 - Nov 22, with many speakers.

goochinfo.homestead.com...

reply to post by Rising Against


Just another hunch... but I suspect by the time they are done and have "found the truth"... the New World Order will be in place. For good or bad..

reply to post by gigaherc


Yes, I've read 11/22/63 by Stephen King also. He's a very good writer. The attention to detail of late 1950s America is amazing. I get the impression he doesn't like Lee Harvey Oswald on a personal level, but will the protagonist be allowed by time to get to Dealey Plaza and if so what does he find?

By the way, the full interview with Oliver Stone and Tariq Ali is quite interesting, if you have 90 minutes to spare.

Sounds like Oliver Stone is a Ron Paul supporter.

www.c-spanvideo.org...

The short clip I linked before didn't mention the part where Stone describes how those black ops successful in other parts of the world eventually made their way back to the U.S.

What about Forestall.
Dulles repeatedly rejected his defense budget estimates.
That was in the middle of US saucer craft development and now we have to say
ETs didn't like him writing any books about man made saucers.
So with JFK who knows what ticked Dulles off or the controlling .01% in charge
of the FED and Teslaship saucers and the NASA space flights JFK wanted.

For those who are interested in this topic and have lots of time, I want to give you links to two resources which Oliver Stone has mentioned in his CSPAN interview with Tariq Ali. Stone had praised both sources before. One source is a military man with insider-knowledge about the secret workings of the CIA and the other source is a book about the JFK-assassination, written by a theologian. I share Stone's sentiment and want to recommend both sources.

The man is Stone's advisor for his movie about the JFK-assassination, Colonel Fletcher Prouty. Prouty gave Stone lots of insider-information and served as model for “X” in the movie JFK.

Prouty served as Chief of Special Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President John F. Kennedy. When JFK was murdered, Prouty was away. He served as a Military Escort officer for a group of VIPs who were being flown to the South Pole. After his retirement, Prouty has written a book called the Secret Team in which he outlines how The CIA and its allies are controlling the United States and the world.

For a long time this book was privished and very difficult to get. Today it is easy to get and even available as E-book online.

The Secret Team (E-book)
www.ratical.org...

In 1989 David T. Ratcliffe visited Prouty with a long list of questions about The Secret Team and interviewed him about it. I found the interview very fascinating and have listened to it more than once. The transcript of the interview can be found here:
UNDERSTANDING SPECIAL OPERATIONS And Their Impact on The Vietnam War Era

Here is the audio recording of this interview in Youtube-format.




The book by the theologian is written by James W. Douglass. Stone gave this book Tariq Ali to read and he tried to plug it also on Bill Maher's show. The book is called JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.
amazon link
www.amazon.com...

The website of CTKA (Citizens for Truth about the Kennedy Assassination) contains lots of reviews about JFK-books. Here is a link to the review of Jim DiEugenio about JFK and the Unspeakable. This long review might give you and impression about the focus of Douglass' book.

And here is a 1 hour long book presentation by the author James W. Douglass.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


Here is a picture of currency issued during the Kennedy administration under Executive Order 11110. It was backed by silver, so it was not a fiat currency whose value is based on "perception". $4.3 billion dollars worth of the notes were issued, with no interest needing to be payed to the Federal Reserve (a private organization). These were withdrawn after Kennedy's death.

The silver backed note is the top one:

reply to post by Drunkenshrew


Thanks for the links. I have another one for those interested. The book "The Killing of A President" by Robert Groden is now out of print and is available as a free download in pdf format.

Robert Groden was a consultant for the JFK movie and also testified at the HSCA. It is painfully detailed and describes at least six shots being fired at the motorcade with 2 more probable.

You can download it here, scroll down until you see Killing_Of_A_President.pdf, right click then select download. Warning, it's 412mb in size.

www.box.com...

reply to post by Nicolas Flamel

forced to resign by JFK in 1961 after the Bay of Pigs fiasco
- appointed to the Warren Commission to investigate the JFK assassination, even though JFK had fired him

Thanks for that tidbit Nicolas. Didn't know that one. Coincidental, huh? Like Ford being on the Warren Commission and then later, as president, pardoning the unmentionable Tricky Dick. They are so politically sowing circled aren't they?

reply to post by Nicolas Flamel


Uhhmmm... I could be wrong on this but I think silver certificates are denoted with blue ink.

Link

And red is used for gold certificates. They are still just paper "certificates". The real intrinsic value is in the metal they are supposed to represent. By the way, try redeeming one for it's value in gold or silver. Banks will look at you confused. Collectors might give you some "green" for notes depending on condition and scarcity.

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
If we live in a world where JFK could be assassinated and the people involved got away with it scott free then how is it possible someone like Oliver Stone is still alive and could make a movie like JFK.

My instincts tell me that this is orchestrated,,, that he is part of the cover up and used as a mouth piece. Because I think the "conspiracy" is much bigger than a couple people. So someone like Stone is used to propagate that myth. Either that or Stone is so far away from the reality that he isn't viewed as a threat.

edit on 7-3-2012 by 8311-XHT because: (no reason given)

The "JFK-MURDER" was a STAGED EVENT / JFK wasn't "KILLED" on 11/22/63!

Stone is employed to keep us looking 'over there', and away from the Big Lie; that
JFK didn't die at all, and was a part of the deception.

reply to post by pshea38


There are much better versions of the Zapruder film available. The ones in your link seem to have some noise, especially the cheek photo.

By the way, many JFK researchers believe that the Zapruder film itself has been altered. For example, frames removed to prevent showing how the presidential car came to an almost complete stop, even though you can see the brake lights come on. Other changes to keep the story of the lone nut intact include enlargements of the background, people suddenly moving several feet in a millisecond, shadows suddenly changing angles, paint added on to the film to hide or exaggerate wounds etc.

Some attribute these modifications to the Z film to James Angleton as part of the general cover up.

You can google "alterations made to the Zapruder film" or check out this ATS thread that discusses this very thing: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
If we live in a world where JFK could be assassinated and the people involved got away with it scott free then how is it possible someone like Oliver Stone is still alive and could make a movie like JFK.

My instincts tell me that this is orchestrated,,, that he is part of the cover up and used as a mouth piece. Because I think the "conspiracy" is much bigger than a couple people. So someone like Stone is used to propagate that myth. Either that or Stone is so far away from the reality that he isn't viewed as a threat.

edit on 7-3-2012 by 8311-XHT because: (no reason given)

Most Americans won't believe Stone.
Most of the rest don't care enough to do anything.
Those that care enough are completely inconsequential citizens working to pay their monthly bills. They have no power or bite.

Therefor it really doesn't matter what movies are made or what people say.
TPTB are in complete control. Why should they worry?

reply to post by pirhanna

TPTB are in complete control. Why should they worry?

They probably aren't worried at all. They'll just send a predator drone to buzz you.

Someone on one of the JFK forums I read made a joke (I think it was a joke) about the briefing new presidents get. The new presidents are shown a copy of the Zapruder film, and shadowy men in the back ask "Any questions?".

why could oliver stone get away with all these claims.

simple, all the principle players are either dead, old or irrelevant. the people who could get hurt aren't going to jeopardize their lives by killing someone for telling the truth.

there are rules, and telling the truth is not a capital offence.

Dulles was a business partner of the Bush family, and helped in the financing of Hitler. It is amazing that the Bush family actually had two members elected as POTUS.

Essentially, as long as this group has controlled the CIA, they have controlled the U.S.. Recent appointment of Petraeus as Director of the CIA will hopefully end the reign of this group that controls the CIA. Only then will we begin to return to a representative government.

Apparently, Petraeus isn't a big fan of the Bush family.

harpers.org...

Petraeus: Bush Administration Violated Geneva Conventions

Martha MacCallum presents him with the predictable set of Fox-Cheney talking points, and he bats them down with ease one after the other. (Note the rather pained expressions on MacCallum’s face: “it’s not supposed to go this way,” she appears to signal.) Of particular note are his statements about the Geneva Convention. “When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Conventions,” he says, “we rightly have been criticized, so as we move forward I think it’s important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena and to practice those.”

Petraeus adopts an unusual stance for generals from the Bush era: he believes that the country and the military shouldn’t be worried about speaking the truth, even when it’s painful. This is going to discombobulate some on the right, but Petraeus has already emerged as the most prominent and most influential general of his generation. And he’s a man worthy of close attention, since the media slivers of Petraeus are often a weak substitute for the original thing.

reply to post by poet1b

Dulles was a business partner of the Bush family, and helped in the financing of Hitler. It is amazing that the Bush family actually had two members elected as POTUS.

Yep. Was just going to say that. It was Prescott Bush that worked with the Dulles Brothers. Interestingly, in the very well researched and thick book by Russ Baker, "Family of Secrets" George HW Bush was in Dallas the night before the assasination and there was some real gamey stuff going on with him at that time. Plus there ws a connection between Bush, De Morenshild (sp?), and Oswald. The real clear implication is that Bush was somehow involved.. There is also a good movie called JFK 2 about the Bush connection.

It gets more interesting when the book talks about Bush's connection to the taking down of Nixon. Because who populated the White House directly after that? Nelson Rockefeller, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Poppy Bush himself who became Director of the CIA during that time. Four short years later he wanted to be president but lost the nomination to Reagan but got the #2 spot. And even more interesting when 69 days after the inauguration, Reagan was nearly assasinated by the son of one of Bush's biggest financial supporters for his bid to the presidency.

It would not surprise me at all if Dulles made the call.

reply to post by coyotepoet


Anyone smart enough to recognize that JFKs assassination clearly did not happen in the way that the Warren report claimed, and has looked into the facts, and recognized that it had to be an insider job, who voted for either Bush, should seriously question what lead them to such a foolish vote.

While the democrats are bad, these facts clearly show the republicans are worse.

George de Mohrenschildt was probably a CIA contract agent. He knew both Oswald and George H. W. Bush. On the same day the HSCA contacted him in 1977 to testify, he committed "suicide".

en.wikipedia.org...

His wasn't the only mysterious death, they started immediately after the assassination and increased in 1976 just before the HSCA started hearing testimonies:

JFK mysterious deaths

Someone should calculate the probability of such a cluster of deaths.

Here is the JFK 2: The Bush Connection, I first saw on ATS, but is now a dead link. It portrays Dulles as a puppet master: