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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by rigel4
 


1. imho, anyone who thinks that GOD ALMIGHTY is going to tolerate Israel being in any other land than the land HE DECREED LONG AGO TO BE THEIR'S FROM HIM . . . is grossly uninformed.

2. He has yet to deliver all the land He promised them--BUT HE WILL.

3. The prophetic events surrounding Israel are progressing apace as the Biblical outline makes sufficiently clear.

4. As predicted, Jerusalem is a burden for the whole world.

5. It appears that Ezek 38 and similar prophecies in Psalms etc. are on tap for the not distant future . . . wherein Israel will be disciplined within an inch of her life yet protected ultimately by God and at least a portion of her current enemies obliterated--likely Damascus early on. Then, if not sooner . . . in the not distant future, all her Muslim enemies will be trashed to obliterated--including Saudia Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Iran etc.

6. It's never a wise move to bet against ALMIGHTY GOD. However, I realize there's a ton of folks hereon who are deeply entrenched in doing so. We'll see how that works out for them.


This is the Inherent problem in the ME. RELIGION
Men are in Charge and the One's at the top cynically pretend to be believers to keep the
the ones at the bottom believing in this fairytale .. Nay...Nightmare.

Sigh




posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Think out of the box. The Palestinian people love the land as well. Build on that mutual love of the land and form a new nation which incorporates both people into it equally. It is the only way.



Well put, really well put. Those Palestinians lived there and worked the land for hundreds of years. Many, who aren't completed jaded and indoctrinated against Israel, are more than willing to live peacefully side by side.

But...

Much like no one would expect the Jews living in Europe to just "deal with" the racist policies and pogroms being enacted against them in the run up to WWII, how can anyone expect the Palestinians to agree to living as second class citizens?

As well, many, millions, of Israelis, support a two state peaceful solution.

And really, we were fairly close, mutually agreed landswaps for border security, problem solved. But alas, much like every other step forwards on this issue, we managed to hop skip and jump several yards back.

That said, I don't think removing Israel's army and taxing the Palestinians with protecting them would work. Israel is a bully, that is clear, but they do indeed have enemies that would love a chance to strike, and having the "fox guard the hen house" wouldn't make anyone sleep any easier.

I really don't think we'll ever see a workable solution in our life times, but if we make steps to remove the reasons people turn to violence against Israel, there will be hope.

I sincerely hope it doesn't come to war, and destruction, and more needless death. But it always has, and probably always will.

Does anyone else get sad when reading threads like this, seeing that average people on an anonymous forum are coming up with potentially better peace deals than the government taxed with actually doing it?



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Whats amusing is all three cultures crying out saying that the scripture is being fulfilled are all part of the same Abrahamic death cult. All three beliefs and cultures share the same burden of this death obsessed dirge of the desert.

They all speak of the same god, their prophecies are so similar because they are all merely plagiarism of the earlier Egyptian and Sumerian faiths that came before them. The Jewish faith calls for the death and exploitation of the goyim and decrees that the people shall not return to Israel until their messiah comes and annihilates all who oppose.

The Islamic faith calls for the death and exploitation of the Infidels and decrees their messiah shall return and destroy all who oppose. The Sumer-Pagan hybrid Christianity has only stopped murdering openly in the name of their god in recent history and decrees that their messiah shall come and annihilate this world while bringing hell on earth for a few days before everyone gets a free trip to Jesus land.

Noticing a pattern yet? I think it is obvious that the solar cults have gotten far, far out of hand and I truly wish they could murder each other without murdering the world with them.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by LaughingatHumanity
Sorry to bomb on the idea but it's been tried for the last couple thousand years already to no positive end. No one wants to shack up with the worst neighbors on the planet. Just because they did a tour of Europe and have Caucasian traits at this point in history doesn't make them any less vile or psychotic as a people.

They are still ultimately a heavily inbred tribe of Arab's whose beliefs are on par with fundamentalist Islam, they are an inherently divisive and violent culture that does not tolerate others. If you put them in Utah they would just wage war with the Mormons.

That might actually be somewhat amusing and beneficial though. Magic underwear people vs racist psychotics that have only gained tenure by exploiting the tragedy of WWII


I felt ashamed of myself for adding a star to this post; but I did it anywayz.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by LaughingatHumanity
reply to post by rigel4
 


Whats amusing is all three cultures crying out saying that the scripture is being fulfilled are all part of the same Abrahamic death cult. All three beliefs and cultures share the same burden of this death obsessed dirge of the desert.


Initially I paused at your use of the term, "death cult." Then, however, I thought about it for a few moments; and realised that that is exactly what we're talking about, here. Carry on.



The Islamic faith calls for the death and exploitation of the Infidels and decrees their messiah shall return and destroy all who oppose. The Sumer-Pagan hybrid Christianity has only stopped murdering openly in the name of their god in recent history and decrees that their messiah shall come and annihilate this world while bringing hell on earth for a few days before everyone gets a free trip to Jesus land.


I've mostly got rid of both the Sumerian and sacrificial elements, and just gone with straight Paganism, I admit. Some of us still find theism enjoyable, but it's a lot more fun for all concerned, once you get the guilt, fear, and insistence on murdering anyone with a different opinion, out of the way.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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What a silly and useless topic!
The isralis would never move from their piece of dirt and I would not accept them here nor would I dirty any other place with them out of respect for the rest of the world.
There is only one way to rid the mid east of this blight.
This would not be the end of the jews as there are jews everywhere.
And I see no need for a jewish state as there is no Baptististan republic, although there is a vatican city but they might not be nuclear armed, plus it would fall if it did not function on the worlds tithes.
Let's stop discussing where to move israel as it's not gonna happen.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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That would fix nothing. It ignores the fact that most of the killing in the Middle East is Muslims killing other Muslims. It's been that way for a very long time now.

How do you stop the Muslim on Muslim insanity?

Then, if Israel moves, that just means those who want the Jews dead would change their tactics and find a way to kill them wherever they are.

Wanting to treat the Jews like a herd of cattle and simply relocate them to a convenient location out of sight is pretty offensive to the Jewish People I would think.

Lets not forget here the Dome of the Rock is built on top of two prior Jewish Temples, not the other way around.

Hamas also wants to go after Western Democracies all over the world. How would this solve that issue?



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by adarmis
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My grandad served in Pallastine just after WW2. He was shot in the leg by a religious fundementalist. Only it wasnt an islamic fundementalist it was a jew. Britain should never have agreed to hand over what was a brittish protectarate to people who emigrated to Jerusalem from Europe and Russia. BUT lets get this into perspective, the original terrorists in Pallastine were the Zionists. The Arabs were and still are defending their homeland


Again for those who missed it , Islam is sworn to iphold their Koran and their Koran is very clear that GOD gave the land to the Hebrews . According to their own holy book they have ZERO rights to this land and are squatters . Islam will never discuss these parts of the Koran verses 5;20-21 because it proves what Israel and the non hypocritical world has known all along .

Now if you say well Israel left this land and the Arabs moved in their fore it is theirs the. You have to go along with the UN resolutions that gave some of the land back to Israel and since the Arabs have attacked Israel on several occasions and lost land thru these unprovoked attacks these lands should be ceded . Islam knows the land belongs to Israel they just hate Jews and want them all dead . This is the only logical conclusion due to the fact they ignore their own commandments from God to their prophet Mohammed .



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
You look to the UN only when it benefits you.

Otherwise.... Israel really doesn't care about the UN
Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions


Mhm, just like you look to the Koran only when it suits you.

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This can easily work both ways honey.


But yeah the UN scolds Israel at times. Does it disprove the fact that the UN declared Israel an official state? Nope.


You did read the bold type at the top of your third link?


THE QUR'AN SAYS THAT ALLAH GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS AND WILL RESTORE THEM TO IT AT THE END OF DAYS


Did the end of days happen in 48? Where's the messiah locked up in area 51?



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Azadok

Originally posted by adarmis
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My grandad served in Pallastine just after WW2. He was shot in the leg by a religious fundementalist. Only it wasnt an islamic fundementalist it was a jew. Britain should never have agreed to hand over what was a brittish protectarate to people who emigrated to Jerusalem from Europe and Russia. BUT lets get this into perspective, the original terrorists in Pallastine were the Zionists. The Arabs were and still are defending their homeland


Again for those who missed it , Islam is sworn to iphold their Koran and their Koran is very clear that GOD gave the land to the Hebrews . According to their own holy book they have ZERO rights to this land and are squatters . Islam will never discuss these parts of the Koran verses 5;20-21 because it proves what Israel and the non hypocritical world has known all along .

Now if you say well Israel left this land and the Arabs moved in their fore it is theirs the. You have to go along with the UN resolutions that gave some of the land back to Israel and since the Arabs have attacked Israel on several occasions and lost land thru these unprovoked attacks these lands should be ceded . Islam knows the land belongs to Israel they just hate Jews and want them all dead . This is the only logical conclusion due to the fact they ignore their own commandments from God to their prophet Mohammed .


The end of days haven't happened yet so the land doesn't belong to the Jews now.

Also it is against international law to acquire land by force. So Israel should relinquish all land they have stolen since 48 and also be forced to pay reparation to both Muslims and Christians they have persecuted.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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I was speaking to a 98 year old ex British Army guy who was telling me that he was stationed in Palestine during the war. He said he was shot at numerous times by the Jews. Has zero time for them. I have no idea why Britain supports Israel.

Where to move Israel to ? .... well I hear that Greece is trying to sell Corfu .... ship them there. It will be a bit crowded but then they can feel what it's like in Gaza for the Arabs.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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The whole purpose of setting up Israel to begin with was to get the jews out of europe and america. Unfortunately most jews don't want to go to Israel or any other place where there are mostly jews. I won't get into the reasons why that is but I will give you a hint. Screaming anti semite any and everytime they don't get what they want doesn't work very well when it's jews doing it to each other.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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You're right, Israel does need to be relocated.

To the rest of Jordan which used to belong to it, but was usurped by the Arabs after Hadrian Caesar exterminated the Israelites, the ones he didn't enslave and the few who escaped because they were in the fields with their sheep.

Absolutely, let Israel relocate...and spread to the whole of ancient Israel and the Arabs can go back to Saudi Arabia where they came from, or Babylon.

Sounds like a great idea to me, let the mass deportations commence!

Maybe then they will be able to rebuild the temple in peace instead of having muslim riot anytime a jew dares to whisper a prayer on Mt Moriah.
edit on 7-3-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 08:34 PM
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God will not let that happen. You say WTF? I say as long as it is where it is, I'm right. If it is moved or destroyed or done away with or anything else, you're right. Good luck.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
You're right, Israel does need to be relocated.


In terms of locations, I was thinking of the Sigsbee Deep as a possible candidate.



To the rest of Jordan which used to belong to it, but was usurped by the Arabs after Hadrian Caesar exterminated the Israelites, the ones he didn't enslave and the few who escaped because they were in the fields with their sheep.


I'm sure that would end very well. Jordan polls as being probably the second most rabidly fanatical Muslim country on the planet.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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dude read a bible u dont have to belev it but u would see that u cant move the holy land cause its the damn holy land ...... JC done his thing there god gave that land to the jews after moses lead them through the desert after 40 years there not leaving read the quran with is just like the bible but with differnt outcomes and paths ull see its there holy land as well u cant move the land itself so there for u cant move the jews
so armegeddon here we go bada bing bada booooom



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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How about Oklahoma?
The Native Americans might not like them on their reservation, but we can create a new reservation. Just like the Native Americans, they can get out of paying taxes, and they can operate their casinos which are the central banks of the world.
Yes, let's put them in Oklahoma. Lots of history there.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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Let em have Florida. It's a shat hole. They'll feel right at home, that's if the Jews from New York will let em in.
After they relocate. We did a big ass canal at the state line with Georgia, cut the panhandle off and give it back to Alabama. Then with enough well placed explosives, we can set Florida adrift. With any luck, it sinks. Because if it don't sink, they'll be saying God gave them that water and they will charge accordingly.

Or Ohio. Seems as though their the ones that muck it up for the rest of us come election time. Plus no one from Ohio wants to be there.
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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by FissionSurplus
As much as this topic needs to be laid out on the table, every time it is, it becomes a sheetstorm of arguments and nastiness.

Which just goes to show, if we here on ATS descend in squabbling over a hypothetical, there is no way in hell it will be different in real life in the middle east.

As another poster pointed out, it is a lost cause. Dragging God into it and saying that he is on your side is just pathetic, as well as unprovable.


Are you familiar with any of the prophecies regarding Israel , I mean how many people's get dispersed through out the whole world being persecuted by all for over two thousand years and then get brought back into their same land as one people, speaking the same language just like God said he would do . God also promised the land would be desolate and unfruitful to all that try to settle there, while Israel was dispersed , under punishment . Yet God said when he returned the Jews to their land , He would cause the desert to flourish and it did .

God promised the Jews , they would never be plucked up again , the Arabs have attacked them with overwhelming forces numerous times outgunned and out manned, the Jews won because God said so and even had angels fight along side them . Syrian tankers talk of this and also the Egyptians and Jordanians . God promised the Jews being back on their land would be a burden on the world and it is . God talks of them dividing His land and the world tries but it will never happen.

The list goes on and on ,check it out for yourself , google these things you will be amazed and may actually come to your senses and believe in God. One last thing God promised not a generation would pass before the return of Christ, that is once the Jews were brought home , that was 1948 . The clock is just about run down, the days of mans evil rule is over Te king of kings the prince of peace Jesus Christ will return very very soon .
edit on 7-3-2012 by Azadok because: Stupidity for not proof reading



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by daaskapital
Mate, the Jews did steal Palestinian land.


Err, no we didn't. We moved to Israel under the British mandate and were living in tiny areas until the backwards Arabs waged war after war upon us. Naturally we fended them off and took over their lands one after another.

If you want to be pissed at anyone, be pissed that the Arabs were so poor at fighting they couldn't even wipe out the tiny Jewish communities that were in Israel prior to the establish of the Jewish nation. And even then, they couldn't do jack, and still can't.

If the Arabs would've let the British settle us in the tiny areas that they did, that were desolate anyway and in no use by the Arabs, perhaps Israel today was a two-state nation with an Arab majority. But no, they had to try and wipe us off, and lost.

I know I know.. it pisses you off hearing it like so. But that's that, "mate".
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What right did Britain have to give you somebody elses country?



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