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Originally posted by daaskapital
Israel slaughters Palestinians - This much is true.
The would like to recieve aid, but everything has to go through Israel first.
Hamas has called for peace, but Israel doesn;t want anything to do with it, they enjoy slaughtering innocents.
Do you not remember the commando raid, where citizens of my country, Britain and many others were shot by Israeli Commandos to stop aid from reaching Palestine.
Originally posted by daaskapital
as you are clearly feeling pressure now.
Yes, Hamas did call for peace and you are in denial if you believe otherwise.
Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Originally posted by daaskapital
Israel slaughters Palestinians - This much is true.
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The would like to recieve aid, but everything has to go through Israel first.
What comes to Israel first is the delivery of physical aid such as medicine and food. This is being transferred into the strip daily, weekly and monthly. Don't believe it?
Hamas has called for peace, but Israel doesn;t want anything to do with it, they enjoy slaughtering innocents.
Hamas did not call for peace as their goal is the destruction of Israel. Israel does not negotiate with a terror organization whos goal is to destroy them. Common sense.
We don't enjoy slaughtering innocents, but can't help the fact that Hamas drags them along with them. Tough luck baby.
Do you not remember the commando raid, where citizens of my country, Britain and many others were shot by Israeli Commandos to stop aid from reaching Palestine.
Yeah I remember the flotilla that was ridiculed by the entire world. What did they achieve besides many people thinking how dumb they are? Nothing at all. The bad PR only lived for more than one week on ATS, and that's not much lol.
If these morons actually intended to bring aid through they'd use the proper channels. They didn't as they saw the whole event as a chance to perform a PR stunt, and as such they were treated.
I'd like to see you try sailing an unauthorized ship to China for example. Chances are you'll be sleeping with the fishes.
Originally posted by daaskapital
as you are clearly feeling pressure now.
Lmfao, pressure, by you? You wish honeybuns.edit on 7-3-2012 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by rigel4
I don't want this thread hijacked by trolls , so give the mods an easy time and post
with manners and decorum.
Thank you .
Originally posted by daaskapital
Yes, Hamas did call for peace and you are in denial if you believe otherwise.
Nice way to kill Hamas operatives, bombing the # out of a fenced in area without any concern as to who may perish. They know they are slaughtering Palestinians and they do not care.
Sending Commandos to take over an unarmed ship is no way to stop it from reaching Palestine. There was no reason to lill the innocent people either. All they were trying to do was help the Palestinians, but no, Israel has to murder them too.
Originally posted by daaskapital
It is a bit hard when they won't accept the facts.
Israeli occupation forces boarded the Mavi Marmara, one of six ships on the Freedom Flotilla at 5 a.m. this morning, opening fire on the hundreds of unarmed civilians aboard. No-one aboard the ships were carrying weapons of any kind, including for defense against a feared Israeli attack in international waters. At least 9 aid workers aboard the ship have been confirmed dead, with dozens more injured. The assault took place 70 miles off the Gaza coast in international waters, after the flotilla was surrounded by three Israeli warships. The Freedom Flotilla, carrying 700 human rights activists from over 40 countries and 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid, was headed for the besieged and impoverished Gaza Strip. The Israeli blockade on Gaza, combined with the illegal buffer zone, has put a stranglehold on the territory. 42% of Gazans are unemployed, and food insecurity hovers around 60% according to figures from the Palestine Centre for Human Rights.
Originally posted by rigel4
Points can be made and debated whether others accept them
is another matter.
Originally posted by rigel4
There is levles and there are levels, what need did the IDF have for boarding
the flotilla with such force,, they were unarmed and everyone knew it.
Originally posted by Azadok
You know what's compelling is this , we have all these viscous ignorant people that blame Israel for all the crap occurring in that area and how the Muslims are just the victims , those poor poor Palestinianss. The Muslims are a bunch of lying hypocrites that use their own people like pawns because of their HATE.
Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Originally posted by daaskapital
Yes, Hamas did call for peace and you are in denial if you believe otherwise.
Until Hamas changes their goals and recognize Israel as a Jewish state there is no point for them to call for peace talks. If I was a known murderer, wearing a shirt saying "My goal is to kill Daaskapital" eventhough I have many others, would it be logical for me to suddenly say I desire peace, even though I wear the same shirt that calls for you to be dead? No it wouldn't be.
An organization that wants peace for itself and it's people should first of all recognize the other side's right to exist. They don't, so their peace requests equal my arse.
Nice way to kill Hamas operatives, bombing the # out of a fenced in area without any concern as to who may perish. They know they are slaughtering Palestinians and they do not care.
Why should I care who is besides a person that sends 5 rockets at my cities? I shouldn't, and I don't.
If they cared about the civilians around them, they wouldn't operate among them. Especially not firing from schools or mosques as I have shown before, or it wasn't real as well? CGI? Hollywood?
If Hamas had bases away from civilians, those bases and them alone would be the ones to be harmed. Killing innocent civilians serves no goal for the IDF, other way around, it only makes it's job harder considering global opinion against it.
If the IDF wanted it would've wiped out the entire Gaza strip in less than half a day worth of bombing. It doesn't do that, it only destroys the militants and the militants embed themselves onto the public. Their problem, not ours. They are the leaders, they were democratically elected, their problem.
Sending Commandos to take over an unarmed ship is no way to stop it from reaching Palestine. There was no reason to lill the innocent people either. All they were trying to do was help the Palestinians, but no, Israel has to murder them too.
Sending an unauthorized ship is no way to send aid. There was no reason to send these ships in to Gaza without getting authorization.
If they truly wanted to bring in the aid, they'd dock at an Israeli port and then it would've been unloaded into Gaza, just like 50k Ton of aid is unloaded there every month.
All they did was trying to earn a PR stunt for themselves by breaking a sovereign nation's naval border. They got what's coming from them and you don't see them complaining much now, do you? Most have probably realized that breaking a border is not something that you do when you're bored or when you want attention.
Originally posted by daaskapital
It is a bit hard when they won't accept the facts.
Speaking of facts, you're the one making up your own. I have provided fact for everything we discussed until the point where you started acting like an idiot and throwing personal insults for no reason.
Come to think of it, it really tells much of you if the only reason you're insulting me is that I'm on the other side of the fence. Either you're an intolerant close minded idiot or your arguments are worthless and you just have to resort to anything to make it seem like you're still in business in this worthless debate. My opinion - both are true.edit on 7-3-2012 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Originally posted by rigel4
Israel does need to ne moved, as they are not a compromising bunch are you.
I don't even think that guy is an Israeli and even if he is, is his opinion tells the majority opinion of all Israelis? Didn't think so.
Now about moving us, how about you step up and try?
Originally posted by CaptChaos
How bout this, tough guy? The US stops sending the THREE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR in money and arms to you "tough guys". We'll see how tough you are then.
Article Eleven: The Strategy of Hamas: Palestine is an Islamic Waqf. The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it. No Arab country nor the aggregate of all Arab countries, and no Arab King or President nor all of them in the aggregate, have that right, nor has that right any organization or the aggregate of all organizations, be they Palestinian or Arab, because Palestine is an Islamic Waqf throughout all generations and to the Day of Resurrection. Who can presume to speak for all Islamic Generations to the Day of Resurrection? This is the status [of the land] in Islamic Shari’a, and it is similar to all lands conquered by Islam by force, and made thereby Waqf lands upon their conquest, for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection. This [norm] has prevailed since the commanders of the Muslim armies completed the conquest of Syria and Iraq, and they asked the Caliph of Muslims, ‘Umar Ibn al-Khattab, for his view of the conquered land, whether it should be partitioned between the troops or left in the possession of its population, or otherwise. Following discussions and consultations between the Caliph of Islam, ‘Umar Ibn al-Khattab, and the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, be peace and prayer upon him, they decided that the land should remain in the hands of its owners to benefit from it and from its wealth; but the control of the land and the land itself ought to be endowed as a Waqf [in perpetuity] for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection. The ownership of the land by its owners is only one of usufruct, and this Waqf will endure as long as Heaven and earth last. Any demarche in violation of this law of Islam, with regard to Palestine, is baseless and reflects on its perpetrators.