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Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by milominderbinder
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Israel declares that
Heaven and earth will pass away but my Word will never pass away.
Folks have been ridiculing the Bible for centuries.
They have been trying to wipe it off the planet for centuries.
The globalists plan a grand new effort of the same thing.
Ultimately, they will fail though they will destroy tons of Bibles.
Folks will either be broken in humility on it . . . or crushed under the weight of its truths and principles.
Israel will learn anew in the very near future that there's a high price for deserting the God of Jacob and The Book in behalf of materialism and the arm of flesh.
And every prophecy about Israel in The Book will CONTINUE TO COME LITERALLY TRUE as dozens already have.
Ignorance of those facts does not change those facts.
Originally posted by ScarletWitch
Of course logic would make one think it is a good idea. Taking Israel out of the middle east would be fantastic....
I'm sure the waring and violence would cease, on the same day the last plane left Israel.
Then maybe we could separate the Muslim countries into religious divides...
You should do some actual testing of this theory...
Go into any mobile home community in America(or any country for that matter)..... Find the one person that is despised by all his neighbors, you tell that person "everyone wants you gone" .... Good luck getting him to move...
Ever hear of a self-fulfilling prophecy? They are a whole lot more common that actual "prophecies".
Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by milominderbinder
You appear to be very poorly informed of those issues and facts.
There's no way most of the prophecies could be self-fulfilling. Absolutely no way.
And the Palestinian issues are most accurately articulated by this Egyptian born Palestinian:
JD FARAQ PRE-TRIB LINKS
www.youtube.com...
Nevertheless, I have little doubt that you will remain unconvinced by anything I could write or post.
Events alone will have to inform you of the facts and realities you seem currently unwilling to accept as true and valid.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by milominderbinder
Ever hear of a self-fulfilling prophecy? They are a whole lot more common that actual "prophecies".
Why would the Jews and Islamic/Muslim nations be doing fulfilling Christian end times prophecies??
Because it's politically advantageous to do so.
Ok...but WHY is there "absolutely no way they could be self-fulfilling"?
We "support Israel" because we have enough lunatics in this country who think that's what Jesus would have wanted.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by milominderbinder
Because it's politically advantageous to do so.
Absurd. Please explain how the Jews, the secular world, and the Muslims are all joined in conspiring to "self-fulfill" Christian prophecies. Just because someone writes a book doesn't mean something is a fact.
*CoughMeinKampfCough*
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by milominderbinder
Because Jews, the secular world, and Muslim nations are not Christians. When they fulfill Christian prophecy it's by default no longer "self-fulfilling". So instead of shifting the burden of proof, why don't you prove how the secular, Jewish, and Muslim world is helping to purposely-fulfill Christian prophecy. After all, that was your claim.
That is NOT what I said...but see the post previous post re: your anti-semite remark. That should clear some it up for you.
Oh wow! I'm a lunatic? Interesting. Jesus also said to love and serve one's enemies. That's what Christ would do, He'd love them and serve them. And Paul hammers away for 3 chapters in Romans (9, 10, and 11)that God is not yet finished with the Jews and they have a prophetic destiny yet to be realized when the church is removed from the Earth.
At no point did I say you are a lunatic. However, if you happen to feel that way...hey...who am I to argue with you.
Based upon your assertion above, legend has it that "Jesus also said to love and serve one's enemies". Soooo...wouldn't that seem to indicate that Jesus would us to stop threatening Iran immediately and even HELP them build a nuclear reactor? I mean...that's "love and service" of one's enemies, right? Likewise, Jesus presumably would have wanted us to give Bin Laden a hug and a hallmark card, right? Maybe some free medical care since I hear that J.C. was big on helping out the poor and the sick and I know Bin Laden had some bad kidneys. I mean...according to YOUR OWN LOGIC...that would be "love and service of one's enemies", right?
I guess I'm assuming you don't consider ISRAEL to be an "enemy" given all the "prophecy" talk. Plus...it probably doesn't make sense to really have to instruct people to "love and serve their buddies"...because one would imagine that they are already doing this, correct? I mean...if God's own ambassador to mankind was saying "love and serve one's enemies...and bomb the piss out of friends and family" it would seem a bit schizophrenic for an omniscient, omnipotent, and purportedly benevolent being that exists outside the realm of linear time.
...and this is, of course, coming from a compilation of religious texts which did not exist until AFTER 325 A.D. when the First Council of Nicea got together to edit, delete, and rearrange the disparate and conflicting Christian texts at the bequest of the Roman Emperor Constantine in order to have a more coherent MANDATORY STATE-RUN RELIGION.
Subsequently, this MAN-MADE & HIGHLY EDITED religious text was then subjected to another 1700-ish years of translations, re-writes by monarchs, a heavy-editing party known as The Second Council of Nicea, fragmentation into innumerable competing sects, and even a convicted felon's insertion of a new gospel as purportedly dictated from an angel named MORONI. Yes...that's the word "moron" + the letter "i".
...yes...truly the "Word of God". It MUST be true, because those who "believe" this nonsense which runs contradictory to any and all observable evidence and deductive principles get the magical Golden Ticket to go to Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory or whatever, right?
It's a matter of "faith".
LOL.
That is NOT what I said....
Ever hear of a self-fulfilling prophecy? They are a whole lot more common that actual "prophecies".
Again...how do you not see this???
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by milominderbinder
That is NOT what I said....
yes it is:
Ever hear of a self-fulfilling prophecy? They are a whole lot more common that actual "prophecies".
You claimed fulfilled Christian prophecies are only "self-fulfilled". Did I misunderstand? Were you talking about Muslim prophecies were the one's being "self-fulfilled"?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by milominderbinder
I never alluded to YOU being an anti-Semite. I alluded to "Mein Kampf" as an example that just because someone writes a book doesn't make the contents of said book fact.
Well...we agree on one thing. Being printed in a book certainly doesn't mean it's a fact. We should note that the Bible is also a book.
Because Israel was returned to the land and regathered the "second time" the exact day the OT prophet said it would happen. What else more do I need from the Lord, as far as confirmation goes, than that?
I have no idea what "you need from the Lord". Apparently, it's a hell of a lot less than I do. Secondly...do tell how the Old Testament Prophet was able to specifically cite an exact date when the Gregorian calendrical system was not put into place until 1582 AD much less the fact that the Catholic Church cannot even agree upon what year it is today given that estimates for Christ's birth range a span of at least five years with the year "0" being nonexistent in all of them.
Something tells me that "prophetic" math might be a bit off.
LOL.
edit on 14-3-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by milominderbinder
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by milominderbinder
That is NOT what I said....
yes it is:
Ever hear of a self-fulfilling prophecy? They are a whole lot more common that actual "prophecies".
You claimed fulfilled Christian prophecies are only "self-fulfilled". Did I misunderstand? Were you talking about Muslim prophecies were the one's being "self-fulfilled"?
No. You were right in the idea that I think Christian "prophecies" are self-fulfilled at best...horoscope parlor tricks at worst. However this idea that there is some sort of three-way religious conspiracy to fulfill them emanated only from your head.
Israel's seizure of Palestinian lands against the rule of international treaty and law in no way benefits Muslims (as a group) that I can discern.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
You claimed fulfilled Christian prophecies are only "self-fulfilled". Did I misunderstand? Were you talking about Muslim prophecies were the one's being "self-fulfilled"?
Israel's seizure of Palestinian lands against the rule of international treaty and law in no way benefits Muslims (as a group) that I can discern.
Secondly...do tell how the Old Testament Prophet was able to specifically cite an exact date when the Gregorian calendrical system was not put into place until 1582 AD much less the fact that the Catholic Church cannot even agree upon what year it is today given that estimates for Christ's birth range a span of at least five years with the year "0" being nonexistent in all of them.
"And this whole land shall be a desolation and astonishment. And these nations shall serve the
king of Babylon seventy years." ~ Jeremiah 25:11
"Lie also on your left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it. According to the
number of days that you lie on it, you shall bear their iniquity. For I have laid on you the years of their iniquity,
according to the number of the days, 390 days so you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when
you have completed them, lie again on your right site. Then you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Judah for
40 days. I have laid on you a day for each year." ~ Ezekiel 4:4-6
“And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.” ~ Leviticus 26:18