Gay marriage is now the issue through which the elite advertises its superiority over redneck masses

reply to post by Annee


You liberals are destroying this country , I bet you are all for beastiality thinking that's normal . You know what I hope sharia law comes to America for a short time and cleans house.

Originally posted by Azadok

They were offered equality thru civil union but that was not good enough

This is exactly the same thing as telling blacks, you can ride the bus, but you have to sit in the back. It's NOT equality.

now they got some bullsh * t law passed where home schoolers can not teach that homo sexual behavior is a sin if the homeschoolers religion believes so .

First of all, that is in Canada, not the U.S. Second, they weren't saying you couldn't pass on your personal beliefs to your child - just that you couldn't include your personal beliefs in the school curriculum. Canadians get paid by the government when they homeschool, so the govt feels they have the right to dictate what is in the curriculum.

In this republic the majority is suppose to be able to have the last word in a legal sense.

In this Republic NO ONE has the right to discriminate against someone by not giving them equal rights.

Originally posted by Azadok
reply to post by Annee

 

You liberals are destroying this country , I bet you are all for beastiality thinking that's normal . You know what I hope sharia law comes to America for a short time and cleans house.

Typical conservative reaction. When you start losing the argument, you start making nasty personal comments. Sounds like you have anger management issues.

Originally posted by Azadok

They were offered equality thru civil union but that was not good enough , now they got some bullsh * t law passed where home schoolers can not teach that homo sexual behavior is a sin if the homeschoolers religion believes so . That's Bullard another example of reverse discrimination by a minority against a majority . In this republic the majority is suppose to be able to have the last word in a legal sense.

Seriously, how does it matter what the relationship is called? It seems to me that you're using a single word to justify wanton discrimination. Are gay people not good enough to even be referred to using the same terms? Do you not believe that they're entitled to he same rights that everyone else enjoys? Afford them dignity, respect and kindness, and we'll all live a happier and more harmonious life.

Originally posted by Azadok

You liberals are destroying this country , I bet you are all for beastiality thinking that's normal . You know what I hope sharia law comes to America for a short time and cleans house.

Since when is the belief in equality a liberal only moniker? "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Take a moment and ponder those particular words. Everyone has the inalienable right to pursue happiness. Why, then, should others be allowed to usurp that right simply because they don't understand or agree with the gay community socially, religiously or politically? You're free to disagree, but not to deprive them of happiness or equality regardless of of whether you feel you represent the majority or not. If you have 100 people in a room, and 90 of them vote to strip the other 10 of their God given rights, is that ok, or should the rights of the minority be protected? (A belief in equality doesn't make me a radical liberal. It makes me a devout libertarian.)

As far as your desire for sharia law, I can only surmise that you would want that to impose further unrelenting hatred and pain upon others. That really is a sad way to live life, an existence based on hatred and revenge. As far as the bestiality comment, that's so wrong and disrespectful I'm not even going to go there.

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Edited to add: Your referral to bestiality reminded me of a BBC article I read a long time ago regarding marriage. Notice that even in that "relationship" the term marriage was used.
Man forced to marry goat

Originally posted by ~Vixen~
Seriously, how does it matter what the relationship is called? It seems to me that you're using a single word to justify wanton discrimination.

If it doesn't matter then why is the gay movement pushing to call gay civil unions, 'marriages'?

Why don't they just keep on calling them 'civil unions'.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by ~Vixen~
Seriously, how does it matter what the relationship is called? It seems to me that you're using a single word to justify wanton discrimination.

If it doesn't matter then why is the gay movement pushing to call gay civil unions, 'marriages'?

Why don't they just keep on calling them 'civil unions'.

Because its like riding in the back of the bus.

reply to post by Annee

You can define your marriage any way you want.

You can not define someone elses.

So you would redefine marriage for the majority of people to appease the minority of people. Destroying their beliefs because your self absorbed concept of right and wrong trumps those beliefs?

Gotcha.

Please explain how the rights of the "majority" are being destroyed.

If the majority of people believe that the word marriage has a religious connotation then by forcing those people to redefine their own belief to accommodate the alternative views of a slim minority of people then you effectively destroy their own religious beliefs.

It's not denying them the benefits of marriage, the actual legal contract.. but the simple word for it. Call it a civil union..

Why does the majority feel the need to deny a minority equality?

Maybe I should decide to redefine Jesus and tell religious people to get over it.. since they need to bow to the wills of the select minority.

People like you honestly disgust me..

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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You can define your marriage any way you want.

You can not define someone elses.

So you would redefine marriage for the majority of people to appease the minority of people. Destroying their beliefs because your self absorbed concept of right and wrong trumps those beliefs?

Gotcha.

Please explain how the rights of the "majority" are being destroyed.

If the majority of people believe that the word marriage has a religious connotation then by forcing those people to redefine their own belief to accommodate the alternative views of a slim minority of people then you effectively destroy their own religious beliefs.

It's not denying them the benefits of marriage, the actual legal contract.. but the simple word for it. Call it a civil union..

Why does the majority feel the need to deny a minority equality?

Maybe I should decide to redefine Jesus and tell religious people to get over it.. since they need to bow to the wills of the select minority.

People like you honestly disgust me..

There are churches, including Christian churches, who are happy to recognize gay marriage as a marriage in the eyes of God. There are other religious institutions besides Christianity that are ok with gay marriage as a marriage in the eyes of God. Catholics and Baptists aren't the only religion in town (although they'd like to think so). If there are churches who are willing to marry gays in a religious ceremony, why can't they call it a marriage?

How does atheists getting a marriage license and saying they are "married" affect your precious religious beliefs? How come I never hear that atheist marriages are destroying the beliefs of religious people? You know why? Because an atheist getting married has no affect on YOUR religious belief. You can still believe whatever you want, despite an atheist getting a marriage license. The same is true with gays.

Here's what it boils down to. People who say they are fine with gays, just don't call it marriage - are homophobes and bigots - pure and simple. They are using religion to cover up their bigotry.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
So you would redefine marriage for the majority of people to appease the minority of people. Destroying their beliefs because your self absorbed concept of right and wrong trumps those beliefs?

We are a secular government. Legal Marriage is a secular government contract.

Equal Rights in a government applies to all. ALL are of the secular government.

Majority is not relevant.

Your belief is not my problem.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Maybe I should decide to redefine Jesus and tell religious people to get over it.. since they need to bow to the wills of the select minority.

All the gays I've know are Christian. They will be married in their Christian church in the eyes of their Savior Jesus Christ - - as well as making it legal with the government contract Marriage License.

There are plenty of Christian churches who truly understand the teachings of Jesus.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Rockpuck
So you would redefine marriage for the majority of people to appease the minority of people. Destroying their beliefs because your self absorbed concept of right and wrong trumps those beliefs?

We are a secular government. Legal Marriage is a secular government contract.

Equal Rights in a government applies to all. ALL are of the secular government.

Majority is not relevant.

Your belief is not my problem.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Maybe I should decide to redefine Jesus and tell religious people to get over it.. since they need to bow to the wills of the select minority.

All the gays I've know are Christian. They will be married in their Christian church in the eyes of their Savior Jesus Christ - - as well as making it legal with the government contract Marriage License.

There are plenty of Christian churches who truly understand the teachings of Jesus.

edit on 8-3-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)

(Crickets.......) Annee, I think we stumped them (for now).

Originally posted by kaylaluv
Here's what it boils down to. People who say they are fine with gays, just don't call it marriage - are homophobes and bigots - pure and simple. They are using religion to cover up their bigotry.

Gays are fine - but . . . .

No - there is no "but".

Originally posted by ollncasino

Do parents really want gay sex education in schools?

As a parent I can say that I don't.

About the time you have a gay son or daughter, niece or nephew, young friend or neighbor catch AIDS because they didn't get that sex education, you will.

I still maintain that this wouldn't be on the table if the govt. hadn't created the problem in the first place by giving tax breaks to hetero married couples. Seems to me the rest of the arguments here are philosophical masturbation. It also seems to me that both sides want attention by screaming at one another, and to force their respective belief systems on each other. That is not a way to reach a successful conclusion. Notice I didn't say 'compromise'.

Originally posted by dagon
I still maintain that this wouldn't be on the table if the govt. hadn't created the problem in the first place by giving tax breaks to hetero married couples. Seems to me the rest of the arguments here are philosophical masturbation. It also seems to me that both sides want attention by screaming at one another, and to force their respective belief systems on each other. That is not a way to reach a successful conclusion. Notice I didn't say 'compromise'.

Equal Rights is a belief system?

Tax breaks are one of the very minor rights of Legal Marriage.

Originally posted by Azadok
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You liberals are destroying this country , I bet you are all for beastiality thinking that's normal . You know what I hope sharia law comes to America for a short time and cleans house.

So you think two human beings having sex is the same as a person having sex with an animal? That provides an interesting look into to how you see the world. Since you can not see the difference between the two let me explain. One is between two consenting adults. In the other case the animal can not consent. Thats why beastiality is wrong. Two consenting adults having sex does not give you the right to have sex with animals.

Originally posted by cuervo

Well... it's a matter of prejudice vs liberty. So, yeah... it is, in fact, black and white. The same people who are against equal marriage rights are the same people who are completely paranoid of "Sharia" law. Ironic.

erm, I don't think that is ironic, unless Sharia Law was a law specifically forbidding gay couples being allowed to marry.

Also, the "same people", so what, every person who oppose it is afraid of Sharia- seriously, everyone of them, how do you know so many people

Originally posted by blueorder

erm, I don't think that is ironic, unless Sharia Law was a law specifically forbidding gay couples being allowed to marry.

Sharia Law and Bible Belt Law both aim to keep other citizens in line with their own dogma. In both cases, it is borderline theocracy and should not be allowed to dictate our social and civil liberties. Ever. So, yeah, it is ironic.

Originally posted by blueorder
Also, the "same people", so what, every person who oppose it is afraid of Sharia- seriously, everyone of them, how do you know so many people

Such a stickler for generalizations. Fair enough. What I should have said is "every one I have met". This is because the people who want their brand of god-endorsed discrimination wants only their brand of god-endorsed discrimination.

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Hahhaaaaa!! Right on.

Too much that actually matters and idiots get hung up on this. Stupid.