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Gay marriage is now the issue through which the elite advertises its superiority over redneck masses

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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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Gay marriage is now the issue through which the elite advertises its superiority over the redneck masses




For all the self-flattering comparisons made by gay activists between their demand for gay marriage and black Americans’ demand for civil rights in the 1950s and 60s, it is the differences between these two things that are most striking.

Gay-marriage activists have not had to march for years on end, carry out mass boycotts, face water cannons, get attacked by dogs or run the risk of being thrown in jail for their campaign to achieve almost saintly status, winning the backing of leading politicians and commentators.

The speed and ease with which gay marriage has gone from being a tiny minority concern to become the No 1 battle in the modern culture wars has been truly remarkable – and revealing.

What it suggests is that gay marriage is more a tool of the elite than it is a demand of the demos.

The Telegraph

I have to agree with the writer of this article when he points out that 'gays marriage' is being used by the left to advertise their own perceived mental, cultural and moral superiority.

It is also true that people who oppose gay marriage are often branded as "morally circumspect, possibly even evil".

Which is somewhat bizarre unless one subscribes to the viewpoint that 'gay marriage', "unlike every other issue in the world, is a straightforward black-and-white matter on which there is only one right answer – “yes”."

Gay marriage isn't a black and white issue, as much as campaigners for gay marriage would like to frame the issue as such.



edit on 7-3-2012 by ollncasino because: fix title

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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
I have to agree with the writer of this article when he points out that 'gays marriage' is being used by the left to advertise their own perceived mental, cultural and moral superiority.


Hah! Allowing two people to marry is the default position. It is the people against gay marriage who are using it to project a perceived notion of "divine" or "wholesome" values.


Originally posted by ollncasino
It is also true that people who oppose gay marriage are often branded as "morally circumspect, possibly even evil".


Anybody who wants to restrict rights to specific groups of people are possibly evil. They certainly aren't pro-liberty.


Originally posted by ollncasino
Which is somewhat bizarre unless one subscribes to the viewpoint that 'gay marriage', "unlike every other issue in the world, is a straightforward black-and-white matter on which there is only one right answer – “yes”."


Well... it's a matter of prejudice vs liberty. So, yeah... it is, in fact, black and white. The same people who are against equal marriage rights are the same people who are completely paranoid of "Sharia" law. Ironic.


Originally posted by ollncasino
Gay marriage isn't a black and white issue, as much as campaigners for gay marriage would like to frame the issue as such.


Tell me where the gray area is then, if it is not black and white. How can you justify discrimination?
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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Not just that but all these stances and points and "facts" about SOCIAL ISSUES are being crammed down our throats 24/7.

"I'm pro-life"
"I'm pro-choice"

Yeah well I'm pro-STFU and stop caring about overly opinionated "Social Issues".

Who cares if a woman wants an abortion, her choice.
Who cares if gays want to be recognized as married? Let them see how horrible it is.

All these stupid petty, bias grievances with "Social Issues" are taking our eyes and minds away from the REAL ISSUES.
Sorry for the rant, I just hate this country. (USA)



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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This isn't a left-right issue.

This is an issue that concerns life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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If the government would get out of social problems, this wouldn't be an issue. Actually govt MADE this a problem by giving tax breaks to married hetero couples. If there were no tax break, this wouldn't be an issue.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by cuervo
Well... it's a matter of prejudice vs liberty. So, yeah... it is, in fact, black and white.


So just as the article pointed out, unlike every other issue in the world, there are no shades of gray with 'gay marriage'. Its all black and white according to you?


Originally posted by ollncasino
Anybody who wants to restrict rights to specific groups of people are possibly evil.


So again, just as the article points out, you are calling people who disagree with 'gay marriage' evil.

Wow.


Originally posted by cuervo
Tell me where the gray area is then, if it is not black and white. How can you justify discrimination?


The rights of the vast heterosexual majority on whom the demand to give legal and moral support to 'gay marriage' has been made.

Do parents really want gay sex education in schools?

As a parent I can say that I don't.




Children as young as five should learn about gay relationships in schools and boys should be allowed to express their feminine sides by dressing in frocks or becoming cheerleaders, according to a UK Government-funded initiative.

In a training pack sent to staff in primary schools, teachers are urged to ‘celebrate difference’ by using books such as King And King, a story about a fairytale prince who kisses and marries another prince.

Daily Mail


The prince who kissed a prince? To 5 year olds?



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:47 AM
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Both Left AND Right sides tend to display superiority over each-other.
I've witnessed more right-wing religious people use the gay marriage issue to push their moral agenda, than any left-wing activist.
Here in Australia there's not much talk about it within the political world. You get the odd protest here and there, but it's not anything used to advertise any other topic or agenda.
Ive never heard of an anti-gay supporter to be branded evil. More like "religious nutter", or "####head".
Comparing the issue to early African American problems is a bit rich.
People want equality. No need to have a competition to see what group has had it the hardest.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by cuervo
Well... it's a matter of prejudice vs liberty. So, yeah... it is, in fact, black and white.


So just as the article pointed out, unlike every other issue in the world, there are no shades of gray with 'gay marriage'. Its all black and white according to you?


Originally posted by ollncasino
Anybody who wants to restrict rights to specific groups of people are possibly evil.


So again, just as the article points out, you are calling people who disagree with 'gay marriage' evil.

Wow.


Originally posted by cuervo
Tell me where the gray area is then, if it is not black and white. How can you justify discrimination?


The rights of the vast heterosexual majority on whom the demand to give legal and moral support to 'gay marriage' has been made.

Do parents really want gay sex education in schools?

As a parent I can say that I don't.




Children as young as five should learn about gay relationships in schools and boys should be allowed to express their feminine sides by dressing in frocks or becoming cheerleaders, according to a UK Government-funded initiative.

In a training pack sent to staff in primary schools, teachers are urged to ‘celebrate difference’ by using books such as King And King, a story about a fairytale prince who kisses and marries another prince.

Daily Mail


The prince who kissed a prince? To 5 year olds?



So... allowing everybody the same rights will automatically lead to your paranoid delusional dreams of some gay agenda conspiracy? Were you also afraid of the women's agenda when they gained the right to vote? Were you afraid that maybe they would teach that women are equally valid?

Dude... I hope you can hear me from all the way back in the 50's.

Denying rights is wrong. Period. People who try to keep those rights from others are fascists. Period. Any amount of religious justification only advances my point.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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Do parents really want gay sex education in schools? As a parent I can say that I don't.


Would you agree that School is a place for children to learn about the world around them, in which they have to live?

Cows exist, Gay relationships exist, Maths exists etc etc.

If ww2 is taught in History at school, that ISN'T the school endorsing it. It's educating children on an issue.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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People need to realize that most of these domestic political "issues" that we are trained to fight over are a complete joke and nothing more than a political tool (used by BOTH sides) to keep us at odds with each other. The Federal Government really shouldn't have anything to do with marriage, gay or straight. They should be worrying about our borders and our safety HERE AT HOME. We should not be worrying about what goes on in our neighbor's bedroom (hey, that sounds familiar! I might be on to something).

The truth of the matter is, if you are gay, you are gay. I know this from experience. There's nothing anyone can do about it. It was not a choice. It just is what it is. I don't feel different. I am.

Isn't it sad that millions (if not billions) of people absolutely condemn my dream of having a family? And do you really think they're going to stop me?

edit on 7-3-2012 by Hope4TheBest because: To clarify my opinion of the OP.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
Do parents really want gay sex education in schools?

As a parent I can say that I don't.


As a sexually active adult, I can say that IF they are going to teach about safe sex, safe gay sex should be a part of the curriculum. It would literally save lives.

Even if you are against gay marriage, I strongly suggest that you include information on safe gay sex in your private talks with your children. You don't want to take the chance that one of them might be gay and won't think that he needs to use a condom because he only ever heard that they protect against pregnancy.

Knowledge is power.

Second post.
edit on 7-3-2012 by Hope4TheBest because: To fix phrasing sensitive to the topic.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Noinoi
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Would you agree that School is a place for children to learn about the world around them, in which they have to live?

Cows exist, Gay relationships exist, Maths exists etc etc.



I like the way you slipped gay relationships in as if it was the most natural thing in the world.

Why do children as young as 5 need to be taught about gays?



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by cuervo
So... allowing everybody the same rights will automatically lead to your paranoid delusional dreams of some gay agenda conspiracy?

Were you also afraid of the women's agenda when they gained the right to vote? Were you afraid that maybe they would teach that women are equally valid?


If I wait long enough no doubt you will bring Hitler into the conversation. Do you agree with the below?



Children as young as five should learn about gay relationships in schools and boys should be allowed to express their feminine sides by dressing in frocks or becoming cheerleaders, according to a UK Government-funded initiative.

In a training pack sent to staff in primary schools, teachers are urged to ‘celebrate difference’ by using books such as King And King, a story about a fairytale prince who kisses and marries another prince.

Daily Mail


5 year old boys should be allowed to exporess their feminine side by dressing in frocks, according to training pack sent to staff in primary schools?

What sort of level of support do you think that has amongst parents?

I know that those who engage in social engineering feel they have a right to manipulate society until it is in their own image, but seriously, what percentage of parents do you think agree with that?

5%? Less than 5%?

Yet, those who tout that this is all about 'rights' are happy to ride over those of parents.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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"The gay agenda," in my opinion, is about nothing more than being treated equally under law. Are they entitled to equal treatment? I answer, ABSOLUTELY.

Opponents will argue that they are after special rights, but if you're seeking to deprive them of something that you're entitled to but they are not, then it's not special rights, but rather equal rights. Opponents often seek to RESERVE the right to use the term marriage for themselves, but deny others from sharing the joy that such a union may bestow. We already have the right to commit ourselves to the person we choose as a lifelong partner... why deny that joy to those who identify themselves as being gay?

Our modern society spends too much time dividing ourselves with insignificant lines in the sand. Those lines don't benefit us, but rather only serve to polarize us against our neighbors and trivialize other more important issues.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Noinoi
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Would you agree that School is a place for children to learn about the world around them, in which they have to live?

Cows exist, Gay relationships exist, Maths exists etc etc.



I like the way you slipped gay relationships in as if it was the most natural thing in the world.

Why do children as young as 5 need to be taught about gays?



It does naturally occur. In several species and in humans since humans recorded history. If it only happened with cars or robots, I'd see your point.

Again... what does marriage equality have to do with curriculum in kindergarten?



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:18 AM
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In my opinion, it's just as natural as an abstinent uncle, a hetro family, an adopted child etc.

If they're teaching strong sexual concepts to kids as young as 5yr olds, I think that's not very responsible.
But "2 Dads", "2 Mums", "1 Dad" etc I personally think is fine.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by cuervo
Again... what does marriage equality have to do with curriculum in kindergarten?


So gay marriage and kids as young as 5 getting taught about gay realtionships in schols are entirely separate issues in your mind?

I see.

Father Arrested Opposing Gay Education For Kindergarten Son

infowars.net...



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
If I wait long enough no doubt you will bring Hitler into the conversation. Do you agree with the below?


Since you brought it up, here's Hitler's views on it: Here...


Originally posted by ollncasino
5 year old boys should be allowed to exporess their feminine side by dressing in frocks, according to training pack sent to staff in primary schools?


Um... 5-yr olds should be able to express themselves however they damn well please; they're FIVE. Ninja, pirate, girl, boy... stay out of their playground, dude.



Originally posted by ollncasino
What sort of level of support do you think that has amongst parents?

I know that those who engage in social engineering feel they have a right to manipulate society until it is in their own image, but seriously, what percentage of parents do you think agree with that?


Engage in social engineering? You mean like telling kids they can't act or dress a certain way? You have been engaging in (and obviously a victim of) "social engineering" for the past 60 years.



Originally posted by ollncasino
Yet, those who tout that this is all about 'rights' are happy to ride over those of parents.


What rights?! The rights to trample on others? To tell others how to act? Nobody is trying to "gay marry" you. Stay out of peoples love lives.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:25 AM
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It sure suite the "elite's" agenda for depopulation!

While the mad scientists can still concoct babies in test tubes with designer genes for those with the big bucks to pay for it.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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So, people don't get to have the same rights as everyone else because you want to shelter your children from reality? That makes sense.


In recent years, the term "Southern strategy" has been used in a more general sense, referring to the way in which political parties use cultural themes in election campaigns — primarily but not exclusively in the American South. In the past, politicians' highlighting of issues such as busing or states' rights appealed to white angst about integration. More recently, Republican politicians made appeals to "conservative values", and used cultural issues such as gay marriage, abortion, and religion to mobilize their base. This has also been viewed as the "Southernization" of American politics.


Source:Southern strategy



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