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More NDAA Madness?

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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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On March 1, 2012 the NDAA went into legal effect. As the hours ticked closer to legal, our President claims to have nullified the indefinite detention by setting the parameters for implementing Section 1022. Sigh of relief, right? I'm not too sure about that.


D. Application to Individuals Captured or Detained by, or in the Custody of, the Department of Defense. Any time an individual is captured or detained by, or otherwise taken into the custody of, the Department of Defense,the requirement under section 1022(a)(1) of the NDAA will have been satisfied, regardless of whether there has been a final determination as to whether the individual is a Covered Person, and regardless of the authorities under which the individual is captured, detained, or otherwise taken into custody. Therefore, individuals captured or detained by, or otherwise taken into the custody of, the Department of Defense shall not be subject to the procedures outlined in sections II through IV of this Directive. Any subsequent law of war disposition of the individual effectuated by the Department of Defense consistent with section 1021(c) and 1022(a)(3) of the NDAA satisfies all requirements of section 1022 of the NDAA, subject to the conditions on transfer in section 1028 for any individual detained at Guantanamo.


[url=http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/02/28/presidential-policy-directive-requirements-national-defense-authorizatio]whitehouse.gov[/ur l]

I recommend reading the whole directive but, this one paragraph I have quoted makes it perfectly clear, nothing...not one thing has changed except maybe for the worse. I hope somehow that I'm wrong and am misinterpreting this directive, but I don't think so. It seems pretty clear. I honestly hope someone can show me that I'm wrong.

Factor in HR347 aka the Anti-Occupy Bill, passed in the House and Senate and sitting on Obama's desk waiting to be signed into law, by the way not one democrat voted against this Bill (I guess they finally got that Occupy can't be co-opted). Before you get all happy and need a change of pants, understand that this bill affects all protest.

I've had a few running themes in posts lately, the first is to stop buying into the rhetoric our politicians and our political media (both sides with few exceptions are guilty) keep throwing at us, we are addicted to hate and drama and they know it. They are also terrified of Americans uniting, the more afraid they get the worse the propaganda gets. Second stop with all the "stories" that will never lead anywhere, true or not they will remain unresolved. There's a genuine threat to America happening right now, do something about it, please.




posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 05:58 AM
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I just noticed the link is broken.
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hmm for some reason it won't link right...

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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Hiya, Kali. Always good to see you.


Look for more of the same when (not if) he becomes our next president, because he won't have to worry about his reelection and can focus all of his resources on crapping on us.

/TOA



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 06:58 AM
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Thanks and same to you


It's pretty clear that is true, however I don't see a better alternative coming from the other side. I'd love to hear your opinions on what we should do as Americans to stop this encroaching tyranny. My opinions are obvious but I value your perspective even if we rarely agree.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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The only person I can support looks to be about done with his overall third place finish last night. For the first time since my first vote almost 30 years ago, I may not vote in this election. Romney will be the Recrapican candidate, and Obama will represent the Taxocrats. I can't, in good conscience, support either candidate.

But what can we do? I know what we should do, but our police and military will turn on us in a millisecond if we even attempt to do what must be done:


What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen-yard in order.


Excerpt from The "Tree of Liberty" letter

/TOA



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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I know exactly what you mean! In my almost 20 years since my first vote, I think I'm going to throw it away to write in something not so nice. I never though I wouldn't vote. It makes me sad.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 09:07 AM
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posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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Well, I was in the same frame of mind... what as individuals can we do? This has been one of a couple of hot button topics with me and one I've followed closely, as you apparently are doing as well. It's nice to see others trying to get the word out. If this bill does not (or apparently more to the point HAS not) pushed people over the edge in all honesty I don't know what will.

I know there are several states that have introduced bills in their state legislature to nullify the NDAA outright (as in Washington State) or have introduced house bills to nullify portions of the NDAA. Some have passed, as in the case of Virginia, that passed their bill on Valentine's Day which stated that no state or local law enforcement agency may aid the federal government with arrests in connection with the NDAA.

When I hear of a state that has introduced such a bill, I write to the state representative that introduced the bill, thanking them for introducing this and asking them who else I should write to show support for it and then pass on the contact information to friends and family so they can also write if they feel compelled to. That, as an individual, is what I am doing to try to get this monsterous bill knocked out of exsistance.

Will it do any good? I don't know, all I know is that I just cannot sit in silence any longer. I have to do something. The country I once knew has lost it's way it seems and as an individual, along with being a custodian of the principals this country was founded on, I have a vested interest in seeing the US restore itself to what it once was. If that makes any sense.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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You bring up great points. I was encouraged by individual states refusing to go along with indefinite detention, but reading that paragraph Obama put in his directive...new alarms are going off as to why he worded it the way he did. In my interpretation he is basically saying on one hand that he has put our fears to rest, then the other he is saying regardless of who arrested you and regardless of whether you're a covered person or not the DoD can come in and enforce Section 1022. Ugh. Still waiting for someone with some law interpretation skills to come along and tell me I'm reading it wrong.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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This issue is not exclusive to occupy it affects everyone.

The so called leaders of this country have methodically removed this nation from it's Constitution. Nothing short of a civil war will change things for the better. Civil war is where we are headed.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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It can be argued that we've had a 'cold' civil war brewing since the end of the last one. The American Civil War was the first major assault on the Constitution.

There are a lot of people who think we need to elect better leaders but more often than not we are given the choice of two with the same agenda. The majority of voters has been conditioned to believing that voting third party is a waste of a vote. Even if a third party had the votes, I fear that the results will be rigged.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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When did I say it only affects Occupy? In fact I made a point to mention it affects everyone. People (such as occupy detractors) shouldn't let the association the MSM and whor...er politicians with Occupy lull them into silence.

I find it funny though that some people have such a disdain for civil disobedience yet are itchy for a civil war. There's a lot that can be done before that point.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Im okay with civil disobedience as long as it is lawful and does not trample on other people who have are 'playing the game' because they too have families to support.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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Well despite our disagreeing on methods of solving the problem, at least we both see the problem. What, besides civil war, are your solutions?



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Well if both sides or how ever many sides there are can agree with the values represented in the Constitution I think thats a start.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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I despise the right left paradigm now that I can see it for what it is. I have hope that more people are starting to see it as well, only time will tell. There is a lot of bitterness between the two as well as propaganda and rhetoric to overcome though. Even though I see it for the crap that is, I still have auto-response. I have to think and re-think all the time.




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