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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
I'll wait for Phage or Chadwickus to clarify what we're seeing in these.
Originally posted by robhines
Originally posted by JibbyJedi
I'll wait for Phage or Chadwickus to clarify what we're seeing in these.
Was going to say JimOberg and thought it was strange if he hadn't posted yet as I was scrolling down. Made me laugh when I saw he was already here at the bottom of the page.
Originally posted by ArMaP
That's my favourite video of bright objects filmed from the Space Shuttle.
Not because of "UFOs coming from a different dimension" or "energy level", but because of the bright object that is moving from the lower right corner to the middle of the screen and that appears to get "stuck" to the high atmosphere.
For some reason, David Sereda finds the other object (probably a small piece of ice) more interesting, as do most of the people that say that this video shows alien crafts.
Interesting, but Sereda's explanation doesn't explain a thing.
Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose
Also i find the legitimacy of videos explaining the nature of ufos hard to grasp when they use overly dramatic music
Originally posted by JimOberg
I'm putting the finishing touches on my expanded 'UFO' section of my
home page, largely in response to the misconceptions and misunderstandings
that I've encountered on these threads from intelligent, sincere people who really DO
want to understand this stuff but haven't been shown crucial information --
and I'll have a lot of source material re Sereda's claims there.
Here it is as of now:
www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
Originally posted by The Shrike
I find that using terms such as "ice (crystals)", shuttle debris, water dumps, etc., to be explanations that insult intelligence.
Why would astronauts manning cameras find it necessary to use ultra-zooms to close in on ice crystals if they're in the vicinity of the shuttle where there is no need to videograph ice particles and if there is a need, an ultra-zoom is unnecessary since an ultra-zoom is employed for a far away object.
And to top it all, when the zoom is brought back to normal and one sees the side of the shuttle and the camera has to refocus 'cause now it is filming a real nearby surface, this whole ice thing gets silly.
I say the above not necessarily because of your comments but because you used "ice" as an explanation and "ice" is the bane of out space UFOs enthusiasts. Oberg's favorite term, BTW.
Tere have been shuttle documentaries shown on TV that include scenes of water dumps, ice crystals, shuttle debris, etc., and none of them look or behave like the white, round objects seen in various NASA videos and shown at distance, and at speed.
No, that's what makes it more interesting.
Originally posted by The Shrike
So if you think that the "other object" could be a small piece of ice, how about the object that "appears to get 'stuck' to the high atmosphere" do you also think it is ice?
To me, there aren't any attempts at explaining any thing that insult intelligence, just explanations that are more or less likely to really explain some event.
I find that using terms such as "ice (crystals)", shuttle debris, water dumps, etc., to be explanations that insult intelligence.
I think that, most of the times, the cameras are operated from the ground and not by the astronauts, so they can have their own schedule without being interrupted by things like looking around with the cameras.
Why would astronauts manning cameras find it necessary to use ultra-zooms to close in on ice crystals if they're in the vicinity of the shuttle where there is no need to videograph ice particles and if there is a need, an ultra-zoom is unnecessary since an ultra-zoom is employed for a far away object.
The ice/debris explanation is based on the fact that a bright, out of focus object, will appear as a disc, so for some piece of ice/debris to appear as a disc it just has to be out of focus, something that can happen when zooming all the way in or out.
And to top it all, when the zoom is brought back to normal and one sees the side of the shuttle and the camera has to refocus 'cause now it is filming a real nearby surface, this whole ice thing gets silly.
They were probably not out of focus.
There have been shuttle documentaries shown on TV that include scenes of water dumps, ice crystals, shuttle debris, etc., and none of them look or behave like the white, round objects seen in various NASA videos and shown at distance, and at speed.
Originally posted by buzzEmiller
This crazy ice explanation by skeptics ....
It is a UFO & it is something other than ice! The movement of the objects is not like ice...
Just like the NASA tapes so called 'tether incident'.
On that one too there is also no chance of an ice swarm..
( just ask yourself why the shuttle camera is only swarmed by ice, when the tether is at 90 miles & farther from the shuttle, yet no ice crystals appear to be swarming the camera in all the "tether is breaking" videos, when the tether is 1 ft. to even 1 mile.??) After all, there were no water dumps released before the tether breaks... .
This NASA tape is showing an enigma...a UFO... It can not be explained away as ice by Oberg or be used as a smoking gun for dimension jumping by Sereda! It is unknown...& a killer space video. Great topic..
Originally posted by buzzEmiller
This crazy ice explanation by skeptics & David Sereda's weird dimension stuff
... re: what the NASA tape Sereda is explaining shows,
are both more than can be determined by this, or any of the NASA tapes.
It is a UFO & it is something other than ice! The movement of the objects is not like ice
& the object that is coming from nowhere is also not dimension jumping...in my opinion.
Just like the NASA tapes so called 'tether incident'.
On that one too there is also no chance of an ice swarm..
( just ask yourself why the shuttle camera is only swarmed by ice, when the tether is at 90 miles & farther from the shuttle, yet no ice crystals appear to be swarming the camera in all the "tether is breaking" videos, when the tether is 1 ft. to even 1 mile.??) After all, there were no water dumps released before the tether breaks... and re: Sereda..
...leaping to a dimensional explanation of the NASA clip is also a stretch, although I do believe that some UFOs have a dimensional source... (but) This NASA tape is showing an enigma...a UFO... It can not be explained away as ice by Oberg or be used as a smoking gun for dimension jumping by Sereda! It is unknown...& a killer space video. Great topic..
Originally posted by The Shrike
And then we have these objects that do not behave as ice crystals nor look like them.
Originally posted by ArMaP
A small bright object out of focus will always look round, regardless of it's real shape.