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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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historian and expert in ancient mysteries, Jonathan Cahn ( additional site), talked about how omens from the Bible's oracle of Isaiah are reappearing in the U.S. with startling similarities to the events which foretold the destruction and fall of ancient Israel. These prophetic signs are warnings that America is in danger, he said. The first omen has to do with a breach in a nation's protection that allows an enemy to make a strike on that land. Such an event occurred in Israel in 732 BC, and we saw it again with the 9-11 attacks on American soil, he explained. In another parallel between ancient Israel and the U.S., both vowed to rebuild after their attacks with the construction of a tower, he continued. Cahn also spoke about omens having to do with Sycamore and Erez Trees, proclamations of judgment by people in power, and the "second shaking" of America-- its economic collapse.








posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Hey Mojo,
Thank you for posting this I've only listened to enough to find it totally interesting. Damned if I don't have another book to buy now.

I'll listen and then comment. Thanks again.
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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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Well i dont have much to say but i can guarantee the same thing happens next year.

This stuff happens every year, do you wanna know why?

Well the world is a big place and alot of 'stuff' happens, so its always easy to see similarites no matter where you look.

People find these similarties and make a big deal about it, thats life and it will never change.

There is alot of things to worry about, but idiots making conculsions over silly things is nothing to worry about.
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Just my opinion btw and im always open to new theorys and opinions.

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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Feel free to post any proof of anywhere these exact type of events have happened.

You pretty much just attacked the authors character by calling him an idiot and downplayed the whole thing.

::sarcasm:: thanks for your input.


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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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As i said its just MY opinion ya know.

I call people an idiot alot when i disagree.

But one thing ive learnt today is to stop calling people idiots because i disagree with them.

I do apologise.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by CharterZZ
Well i dont have much to say but i can guarantee the same thing happens next year.

This stuff happens every year, do you wanna know why?

Well the world is a big place and alot of 'stuff' happens, so its always easy to see similarites no matter where you look.

People find these similarties and make a big deal about it, thats life and it will never change.

There is alot of things to worry about, but idiots making conculsions over silly things is nothing to worry about.
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Just my opinion btw and im always open to new theorys and opinions.

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"Now, I don't know about you, but I don't think the primary purpose of
your life, of my life and the entirety of the human race's is just to
blindingly consume to support a failing economy and a faulty system.
Forever and ever until we run out of every resource and fall to the result
to blowing each other up to ensure our own survival. I don't think we're
supposed to sit by either while we continue to use a long outdated
system that produces war, poverty, collusion , corruption , ruins our
environment and threatens every aspect of our health and does nothing
but divide and segregate us. I don't think how much military equipment
we are selling to other countries, how many hydrocarbons we're burning ,
how much money is being printed and exchanged, is a good measure of
how healthy our society is but I do think I can speak for everyone when I
say, we're sick of this #."


compliments of Enter Shikari.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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"Now, I don't know about you, but I don't think the primary purpose of your life, of my life and the entirety of the human race's is just to blindingly consume to support a failing economy and a faulty system. Forever and ever until we run out of every resource and fall to the result to blowing each other up to ensure our own survival. I don't think we're supposed to sit by either while we continue to use a long outdated system that produces war, poverty, collusion , corruption , ruins our environment and threatens every aspect of our health and does nothing but divide and segregate us. I don't think how much military equipment we are selling to other countries, how many hydrocarbons we're burning , how much money is being printed and exchanged, is a good measure of how healthy our society is but I do think I can speak for everyone when I say, we're sick of this #."



Strange thats exactally what think.

The only differance is i dont think people sitting on there ass praying will help the situation.

No offense at all.

Just my opinion.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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nothing wrong with praying, but just sitting on their ass could be a problem.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I always hear Christians ask why the US is not mentioned in Revelation. The truth is that it's mentioned, but its not the “good guy” that most Christians are looking for it to be. Because the US is mainly a Christian country, most assume that we will be on the good side of the “end times”, but that is not the case.

The reason why most don't realize this is because most Christians are taught Futurism, and don't even realize that its counter-reformation propaganda that was put out by the Roman Catholic Church to hide itself in prophecy, and by doing so also hid the meaning relating to the US.

Francisco Ribera

Apocalypse commentary
In order to remove the papacy of the Catholic Church from consideration as the Antichrist (as an act of countering the Protestant Reformation), Ribera began writing a lengthy (500 page) commentary in 1585 on the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) titled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij, proposing that the first few chapters of the Apocalypse apply to ancient pagan Rome, and the rest he limited to a yet future period of 3½ literal years, immediately prior to the second coming. During that time, the Roman Catholic Church would have fallen away from the pope into apostasy because of the Reformation cry stating that "the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." (Martin Luther, Aug. 18, 1520). Then, he proposed, the Antichrist, a single individual, would:

Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God.
Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
Abolish the Christian religion.
Deny Jesus Christ.
Be received by the Jews.
Pretend to be God.
Kill the two witnesses of God.
Conquer the world.

To accomplish this, Ribera proposed that the 1260 days and 42 months and 3½ times of prophecy were not 1260 years as based on the year-day principle (Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6), but a literal 3½ years, hence preventing the arrival of the deduction of (i) the 1260 years to be related to the Dark Ages (according to the Historicism (Christianity) interpretation of eschatology from 538 A.D. when the papal power was fully established in Rome until its political blow in 1798 A.D., when Louis-Alexandre Berthier the general of Napoleon captured pope Pius VI as prisoner to Valence, France) and (ii) the Antichrist to be related to papacy.

So its now assumed by most Christians that the “beasts” in Revelation are people (antichrist/false prophet) instead of following the actual prophetic language that John wrote in. John wrote in accordance with the prophetic language of Daniel, which equates “Beasts” with world powers, not with people.

So when following the proper interpretation of revelation, we are left with the First Beast being the Roman Empire/Church which had ingested all the pagan beliefs of the previous “kingdoms”, followed by the US, which is the last “Beast”.

This last Beast (The US) would have the appearance of being Christian (of a lamb), but would act as a dragon. It would be based on the Roman system which came before. It would enforce the “mark” throughout the world, (which we have been working on since 911 with the “your with us or against us” policy on our allies), by making a worldwide national ID system under various names. Part of which is that you give up your freedom for safety provided by your government, rather then placing faith in your God. It would call down fire from the heaven (first nuclear bombs), and the whole world would wonder after us (which has happened up until recently, with people trying to get into the US because of our standard of living).

After all the US represents everything that God is against. The most prolific bastion of worldliness on the planet in history. A place where man looks to have his worldly needs fulfilled by man, media, technology, science, and government, rather then looking to God.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5

prophetic language of Daniel, which equates “Beasts” with world powers, not with people.

So when following the proper interpretation of revelation, we are left with the First Beast being the Roman Empire/Church which had ingested all the pagan beliefs of the previous “kingdoms”, followed by the US, which is the last “Beast”.

This last Beast (The US) would have the appearance of being Christian (of a lamb), but would act as a dragon. It would be based on the Roman system which came before. It would enforce the “mark” throughout the world, (which we have been working on since 911 with the “your with us or against us” policy on our allies), by making a worldwide national ID system under various names. Part of which is that you give up your freedom for safety provided by your government, rather then placing faith in your God. It would call down fire from the heaven (first nuclear bombs), and the whole world would wonder after us (which has happened up until recently, with people trying to get into the US because of our standard of living).

After all the US represents everything that God is against. The most prolific bastion of worldliness on the planet in history. A place where man looks to have his worldly needs fulfilled by man, media, technology, science, and government, rather then looking to God.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




Isn't that crazy, this is almost what Shia believe!
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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by Jameela
Isn't that crazy, this is almost what Shia believe!

Its not really that supprising considering that they also accept certain parts of the bible themselves. They are, after all, considered to be people of "the book".

I'm not an expert on Muslims beliefs or eschatology, mind you, but it still doesn't shock me.

Anyone who is not a Catholic, and studies Christian Eschatology to any extent should not believe in Futuism, but rather Historicism. Unfortunatly there are certain groups who want to hide their place in prophecy, and others, such as Israel, who profit from the Futurist interpretation of it. Lets be honest, if it were not for Futurist teaching that Israel has to exist in the “end times” to provide a place for the antichrist to break his supposed “peace treaty”, Israel would not have anywhere near the US Christian support that it does.

The truth is though that the “Covenant” between God and Israel is completed with the arrival of the messiah, and Israel is no longer under a covenant with God. Just because the Jewish people reject that messiah, does not make that covenant any less fulfilled in Gods eyes. That is why the “temple curtain” was torn at Christs death, its why Christ said he “came to fulfill the laws” (the old covenant laws), its why God allowed Israel to be destroyed in 70AD...

Futurism, IMHO, is the great deception that is mentioned in the bible.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Yah but Shia also believe in law, the prohibitions on things like pork and adultery and stuff is still there. Christians have this free for all type religion, the kind they think it doesn't matter what they do, whereas shia are both spiritual and law abiding equally.

that's a big difference in us and what you just said.(or at least what i think you just said)

We do agree with you that the books were changed though to hide truths.

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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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I love to see people learn something here on ATS. Especially a valuable lesson such as the one you've learned today.
Star for you.

Defcon

I consider myself a follower of Christ. So that makes me a Christian. Not belonging to some huge organization
that follows someone else. However I believe you are most correct in what you say.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Jameela
Yah but Shia also believe in law, the prohibitions on things like pork and adultery and stuff is still there.

So here is the question.
Do Muslims believe that the covenant between God and man has been fulfilled?

In case you don't understand what covenant I am referring too. I mean the agreement between God and the Jews that he would bring about the Messiah through the bloodline of David.

You see, Muslims are an offshoot of the Jewish faith, so they have those old “covenant” laws that the Jews followed. However, those laws only applied to the Jews, and were considered a sign of that “covenant” between God and them. Sort of like a contract, and that was the “consideration” by each party.

So if you are not a party to the “contract” why would you follow the “consideration” outlined by the two parties that were involved?

Either way though, Christians are supposed to consider that “contract” as fulfilled on Gods part, through Jesus. So why would we be acting like that “contract” is not fulfilled? Just because the Jews don't accept it as fulfilled, because they didn't get the type of Messiah that they wanted (a conqueror to fight off the Romans), does not mean that God does not consider it fulfilled, nor should we.

Again recall that Christ said, “I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it”. This is what he meant by that. He was not going to destroy the “covenant law” he was fulfilling the “contract” and making those old “covenant” rules void.


Originally posted by Jameela
Christians have this free for all type religion, the kind they think it doesn't matter what they do, whereas shia are both spiritual and law abiding equally.

Christians are supposed to still live in a Christian manner, but at the same time we accept that our sins are forgiven because God sent the Messiah to conquer and pay for our sins.


Originally posted by Jameela
We do agree with you that the books were changed though to hide truths.

I do not agree that the book was changed at all. I believe that interpretations of those books have been twisted however. If you look at the Bible, the same books have been in use since at least the time of Irenaeus:

Scholars contend that Irenaeus quotes from 21 of the 27 New Testament Texts:

This is why the Roman Catholic Church could not change the Bible itself, but made it impossible for people to own one for centeries. You could only take their word, and their interpretation of that word, for what was actually written. This is also why you have to just about have a degree in law to understand the bible from the Catholic position. It was because you have to know all the “man-made” decrees and interpretations that they used to cover up their crimes throughout the centries.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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No not even close, I got wondering for a minute that maybe some Christians were similar to Shia, but I suppose not at all.

I am still lost much of what you said but it doesnt matter. To Shia, God made laws, because He created us, and knows us intimately, He knows what is good for us and what is bad for us, in this way its similar to an adult knowing what is best for a child, but on a much greater scale than even this. God, being our creator, knows each and every intimate detail of our being, what is healthy for us and what is not, emotionally, physically, spiritually. All our levels of being God understands, and these laws are there telling us what is good for us and what is harmful for us.

This is why we believe God made laws. Not because of any covenant with Israel. God created all the sons of Adam (as) not only Jews.

This covenant that you refer in our religion has nothing to do with the laws of right and wrong and the things that harmful or don't.

But thank you anyway, nice talking with you

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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by Jameela
No not even close, I got wondering for a minute that maybe some Christians were similar to Shia, but I suppose not at all.

Muslims, Jews, and Christians all come from common ground. Our beliefs all originate from the same original source, but then separate from there.


Originally posted by Jameela
To Shia, God made laws, because He created us, and knows us intimately, He knows what is good for us and what is bad for us, in this way its similar to an adult knowing what is best for a child, but on a much greater scale than even this.

that is true, but he didn’t make all those laws to apply to everyone. Many of them are “Covenants” (aka. contracts, or deals) made between God and various people. So the terms and conditions of those covenants do not apply to us all the same way.

There are covenants that God made with Noah.
There are covenants that God made with Moses.
There are covenants that God made with Abraham.
There are covenants that God made with David.
Etc…
Biblical Coveants
Christians, most of whom are gentiles to begin with, are not under those old covenants, rather we are under the “New Covenant”.

Galatians 2:14-19
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”


None of those old covenants or “dietary laws” apply to us anymore.
there is nothing wrong with following them, as long as we do not seek to be justified by following the “law” rather then through grace.

See Christians believe that Christ died for our sins, and we are justified through our faith in Christ. We are granted forgiveness of our sins through the grace of God, by Christ’s sacrifice, not through following the law. The no one can follow the law perfectly, so none would be saved under the law. We follow the commandments because its pleasing to God, but we are not saved or damned by anything relating to the law.

I hope that makes sense, it’s a difficult concept to convey sometimes.


Originally posted by Jameela
This is why we believe God made laws. Not because of any covenant with Israel. God created all the sons of Adam (as) not only Jews.

That’s all true enough, but many of those laws only applied to the Jews, and many only applied up until that particular covenant was fulfilled. Again, Christians do not believe in justification through the law (works of man), but rather through grace.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10


Romans 3:28–30
28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.


I hope that helps.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 7 2012 @ 02:18 AM
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post by mojo2012:
Post Response By, EstimatedProphet! . . . . . .
 

The man said this in his speech that,

"You don't see America as a world power in the Book of Revelation!"
"Again, he says that America is not a leading power in the End Time Prophecy!"

"America is mentioned in the Book of Revelation!"
As a matter of fact that America is symbolically known in the Holy Bible with the scripture names, The Daughter Of Babylon and Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, because the USA, is the most powerful and mightiest and the most apostasy nation of this world. (Revelation 17:5)

And it also states that all the surrounding neighboring nations of the world hate the USA and "within one hour she will be destroyed!"
For this is the reason and primary concern of the United States governments and why, therefore, they are so strict on regulating, controlling, disarming and of the building and stockpiling of “Nuclear Weapons from her Neighboring Nations!”

Simply for the US to preserve this nation from her neighboring nations of the world. Because of the fear and of this threat, of retaliation, from destruction, upon her own homeland, that they are careful to follow these procedures. But to no avail, because this is destined for her, “the USA as written in prophecy!”

The United States is not a nation of freedom and liberty but rather a nation of incarceration and prisons, that was successfully and secretly being built to imprison all it's population by force and totalitarianism!
(The New World Order Of The Global Union, The New, Neo-Nazi Police State!)
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