Who is trying to shut down Los Angeles porn?

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by XXX777

 

Because it is a destructive business that breeds disease, pain and death?

You could just as easily be describing war, or life itself, or even the creation of a universe.

reply to post by The Sword


Not even.

Like anything, those who want to do, and those who don't, wont. Many in the industry won't do certain things, or may require protection. Others don't care. None of the performers are being forced to do porn.

If you want to require documentation of partners in scenes, or use of protection, that is one thing. This is something that they should not be regulating if they won't do it in every movie industry.

They're performers and this isn't lust. It's a job. They can deal with a new workplace rule. Try 'sweet talking' the idea of no raincoat in Nevada at one of their establishments and it'll get a person thrown out. Call it one of those things truckers hear about. The point is, if they want the work, they'll do it. If they don't?

Well gee.... How long do you think it will take in this economy to get applicants on "Porn Actor / Actress" wanted in the real paying industry? I'd say the industry isn't going anywhere, whatever they say. Just some talent coming and going with changing times.

Workplace rules suck. Ask a trucker about that. They can just live with it.

Don't miss the point here.

This is about a segment of business being driven away from Los Angeles. Who is doing it?

Don't think for a second that porn films need to be made in Los Angeles to be successful. Porn can be filmed just about anywhere. The absurdity of the law is what makes the news stand out to me. Is somebody going to control Hollywood film? Is somebody going to control Hong Kong film? Is somebody going to sneak into your house and control what you watch? Or are they just going to muscle smalltime porn out of LA?

Originally posted by XXX777

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by XXX777

 

Because it is a destructive business that breeds disease, pain and death?

You could just as easily be describing war, or life itself, or even the creation of a universe.

You lost all credibility with me when you compared porn to war

reply to post by Wolf321


I think someone mentioned that actors DO get tested regularly.

Would you rather porn stars go and infect everyone just because it protects their "freedoms"?

reply to post by XXX777


True.

But porn can be very addictive at times.

I'm not saying it should be banned at all.

Tighter regulations may PROTECT porn stars from life and career-destroying infections.

reply to post by XXX777


L.A isn't even the porn capital of California.

That honor goes to Van Nuys or at least it did at one point.

L.A has enough regular film studios to where they can afford to lose some porn studios, etc.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Wolf321

 

I think someone mentioned that actors DO get tested regularly.

Would you rather porn stars go and infect everyone just because it protects their "freedoms"?

Testing isn't the issue at hand. Its the use of condoms. The reason condoms aren't popular, are because the consumers of the movies, prefer things to look more natural. For many, seeing a condom in a performance, would be like seeing the strings in movie where the characters are flying.

The industry can be and is basically self regulating in that aspect. All the performers are glad to be tested and know their partners are being tested. They are also willing to take the risks associated with non-condom sex.

Just to keep it all in the realm of porn, should they now require gloves for other forms of penetration? Should they require dental dams for other forms of gratification? You want to drive the industry into another area or underground all together, do that.

This silly over-reaching power move is only going to move the industry to the next county or another state. It only hurts them financially.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by XXX777

 

L.A isn't even the porn capital of California.

That honor goes to Van Nuys or at least it did at one point.

L.A has enough regular film studios to where they can afford to lose some porn studios, etc.

The point is that there is no capital of porn. It is free to roam.

Why not take the Van Nuys starlets to Miami, Florida for the weekend and make digital videos there? Why would Los Angeles even be posturing like a safe sex zone?

Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
Using a condom is much safer than "raw dogging" it, and if people watch porn where they are not using a condom they could take the impression that it is perfectly okay to go out and have sexual intercourse with anybody they please without protection.

Porn creates these types of fantasies in people's minds. They watch group sex porn with no protection and it seems appealing to them. Then they have the urge to do the same thing, which can be dangerous.

Using this kind of argument, you can say we shouldn't show kids going out in fantasy adventures, or movies where some guys becomes a hero and saves the day by grabbing a gun and challenging the bad guy, or any number of things.

People know that movies and reality are two different things. This includes porn.

Those who don't should be dying off anyway, so there is no need to regulate that aspect of it in this hypocritical way.

EDIT: I would like to see every genre of media that show people being punked, or being stupid, I.e. Jackass, prohibited, before seeing them require actors to wear a condom.

edit on 6-3-2012 by Wolf321 because: (no reason given)

Sorry, but that is also incorrect. All forms of media program the subconscious mind, especially children with their inexperienced minds.

The subconscious mind attributes for about 87% of mental function. It's only downside? It does not know the difference between fact and fiction. So, yes, even a movie about grabbing a gun and killing someone would be considered "bad" because it would brainwash the subconscious into thinking that is a possible outcome in life. However, there is nothing wrong with teaching children to be heroes. We need more heroes today, just not ones that condone to murder.

The other problem with media is that you barely use any form of consciousness when engaged in watching it. Most people do not watch entertainment and sit there thinking to themselves "Did I leave the iron on?". They sit there completely numb to thought and let their subconscious soak up all the information.

So, while your 13% conscious may be able to assess the difference between "reality and movies", your subconscious can not. This includes porn.

Originally posted by DaTroof

Originally posted by ErroneousDylan

Originally posted by XXX777
I read some news today about a new law that requires condom use in porn films.

What sense does that make?

Uhh.... it's safer?

Actors are required to test regularly, but you're right.

This is probably to avoid lawsuits concerning STDs and pregnancies contracted while working. It's a strange industry, that's for sure.

Besides, who looks at the guys in porn anyway?

the things you named are what I'd expect to happen if I worked in porn.Common sense would tell you working in the porn industry would lead to either STDs or getting pregnant

Of course,wouldn't be my fault.No sir.It'd be those evil women and producers who forced me to do porn!

Who cares if porn stars die? There are 3000 of them around the corner. Next.

Showing pictures is fundamental. I mean seriously. Do you want to enforce ''no graven image'' laws? Well uh if they show the picture of a sliced open frog in the biology book then the kids are going to want to slice things open. Better remove children's fingers at birth so they can't hold a knife.

reply to post by Wolf321


You're forgetting one critical thing: teenagers like to look at porn.

Don't you think that there are some out there that are gullible enough to have sex without a condom because they saw porn stars have sex without condoms?

I think there are.

And for you baseball fans....

The first condom porn filmed in California should be titled Angels & Poo Holes.

reply to post by The Sword


And pre-teens watch violent action films. We don't say you can't have guns or real looking blood or real looking drugs because Johnny 8 year old might watch an PG-13 film.

That is an issue of parenting, not of film regulation.

reply to post by XXX777


I would assume that the actors have a sex life outside of films and although they have medical checks some have caught STD's including aids.

If you dont like it buy your porn from another place

Originally posted by Wolf321
reply to post by The Sword

 

And pre-teens watch violent action films. We don't say you can't have guns or real looking blood or real looking drugs because Johnny 8 year old might watch an PG-13 film.

That is an issue of parenting, not of film regulation.

First of all, a parent can not watch a child 24/7 and succeed in this world today.

Secondly, it is a baby-step towards healthier media.

Thirdly, violence and porn CAN have the same effect on the mind of an 18 year old just as it can on an 8 year old. The mind knows no age, only the body.

reply to post by ErroneousDylan


A parent is still responsible for their kid 24/7. That is an issue for another thread.

I don't want, nor should the government be regulating art, be it porn, action movies, comedies, paintings, or music. If they want to rate it, fine. If they want to set workplace conditions that don't affect the art, fine. Testing the performers is one thing, requiring condoms, gloves or dental dams is a destructive of the art itself.

Originally posted by Wolf321
reply to post by ErroneousDylan

 

A parent is still responsible for their kid 24/7. That is an issue for another thread.

I don't want, nor should the government be regulating art, be it porn, action movies, comedies, paintings, or music. If they want to rate it, fine. If they want to set workplace conditions that don't affect the art, fine. Testing the performers is one thing, requiring condoms, gloves or dental dams is a destructive of the art itself.

That is well stated. Give the world purity of porn or death. Only the most clean amongst ye can partake in the orgies of Baal. If only one unclean heathen partake, let there be death to all!