McCain calls for US-led strikes on Syria without UN mandate

reply to post by jhn7537


Yeah I feel the same way but I think we should be one of the last ones to intervene, if the situation warranted it. The thing is, if they do intervene more innocent civilians are going to die in Syria. The Syrian army will fight us back, and their allies are backing the regime: Russia, China, and Iran

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This entire thing can spiral out of control over one bad decision, next thing you know my well-being and my neighbors well-being becomes compromised.

Thank goodness he didn't make office; we'd be in a street fight with everyone in the world by now if that were the case. He spent way too much time in a POW cage; and I fear he left something called sanity there.

reply to post by Brandon88


So lucky we didn't get that crackpot as President AND this should remind people how much the right in the US loves war...

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Originally posted by DaTroof
I can't believe I wanted him to be elected President. Yeesh, talk about hindsight being 20/20.

Can you imagine how thin our military would be spread? We'd still have a huge force in Iraq, a "surge" force in Afghanistan, ground troops in Libya, Syria...

I would suggest to you to go back to the Presidential and Primary debates of 2008. Go back and listen again, with hindsight, to exactly what McCain is saying there.

He is no different today, than he was in 2008. This is why you can find, all over these boards on ATS, people like myself and many others pointing out that McCain is a Warmonger. History is proving us "crazy conspiracy theorist" to be correct. Again.

Go back and read the comments from 2008, many people on these same boards warned what would happen in regards to War and the economy if Obama was elected. Guess what? History is proving us right. Again.

Many people on these boards were tared and feathered with the label of "racist" for saying Obama was a Socialist. Guess what? The mainstream now say the same thing, with no label, and those "crazy conspiracy theorist" are being proven to be correct. Again.

Everywhere you turn, you can find the evidence of things us "crazy conspiracy theorist" warned about being proven to be right. Even FOX news had to admit it on the topic of World Government.


When will people wake up and actually listen to what us "Crazy Conspiracy Theorist" are saying?
Mark my words! Every Republican Presidential Candidate wants more War for the exception of Ron Paul. Obama is not a leader. He has involved us, not in war per say, but in plenty of "Military Actions" which include Libya, Sudan, Somalia, and everyone has an eye on Iran.

Many people say Ron Paul can not do everything he wants. They are correct, he can't do everything he would want, but on these BIG issues that effect us all, he can. As Commander in Chief, he can end this nonstop cycle of violence and death. Stop being distracted by the little issues that divide us, and let us come together on the big issues that we all agree on.

Vote Ron Paul 2012!!!

reply to post by MrWendal


No reasonable person is calling Obama a socialist, for very obvious reasons. If you're actually claiming he IS, then no one SHOULD listen to you.

Well, although I fully accept that the media has been and probably always will be, an extention of SOMEONES propeganda arm, no matter wether it be the BBC, Fox News, or Al Jazeera, there are certain things about the Syrian situation that reek of government oppression of the people. For a start, there is not, and can never be, a justification for refusing humanitarian aid to areas which contain injured non combatants, WETHER OR NOT the aid organisations would treat combatants also. Wounded persons are not targets once incapacitated, except when someone has issued orders of termination, directly against the rules laid down in the international law courts.

Also, if the war in Afghanistan has taught the world anything, it is that massed land war against entrenched cells of terrorists does one thing, and one thing only. It makes everyone caught in the cross fire angry as hellfire, and for good reason. It turns people away from the government that launches the shell, that hits the school, that kills the kids. It poisons people against the regieme that fired the bullet, that passed through the wall, hit the mother of five teenage boys, and demolished her skull and painted the wall with the last remains of her thoughts, right in front of them, just at the age where thier bodies and minds are turning to seriousness and angst. We all know where that leads, and that is to a deepening of troubles, not a pacification of the situation. One cannot rule through fear, that which has been born in terror.

If there really was a terrorist organisation running this show, then anyone who has seen the terrible effect of full scale military action on such groups and communities, will agree and understand when I say, that the issue should have been dealt with by secret service personel, armed with nothing larger than a silenced pistol. Its not pretty, it is not honourable, but it is a hell of a lot less likely to compound the issue doing it like that, than the meat grinder that is occuring now. Plus, dedicated hunting of these so called terrorists by seasoned professionals, used to operating with perfect stealth and accuracy, are less likely to miss thier targets, and more likely to actually totally remove a threat with thier actions, rather than a full military pounding, which kills an awful lot of people, and more often than not, the wrong ones.

Collateral damage has long been whined about by bleeding hearts and so on, as a humanitarian issue, especially around the War on Terror discussion. I appreciate the view point that this whining comes from, although pascifism has probably killed as many as it has saved, but we know that doing nothing can sometimes be a terrible mistake (anyone else remember that Hitler dude? Got appeased up the wahooey until it was almost too late? Killed millions?). However, collateral damage cannot be overlooked as a SOURCE of terrorist stock! It is a no brainer. Your family, your friends, die because someone was too damned lazy with the aiming reticule in a tank, and all of a sudden all those official looking fellows in thier desert camo and thier proud company colours, start looking an awful lot like they would be fun to dismember with a cleaver. Legitimately so in my opinion (eye for an eye is not barbarism, its fairness). In order to win a war with terrorists, one must remove the element of collateral as much as possible, hence no military action, instead secret service personel, taking the actual combatants, rather than the whole habitation block they happen to be sniping from.

Its really very simple, and if the Syrian government were fighting terrorists, they would know NOT to do what they are doing now. Pure and very very simple. The fact that they claim they are prosecuting a military action against a cell based organisation proves , to me at least, that thier protestations claiming terrorism are either false, or thier commanders are incapable of learning from history , past or very recent. In any event , they are doing a bang up job of increasing support for thier enemies at home, let alone anywhere else, by killing civilians in the numbers that they do, and earning no friends by preventing humanitarian access for as long as they have either.

McCain calls for US-led strikes on Syria without UN mandate

1 - NO! Let Saudi Arabia take care of it. It's in THEIR neighborhood and they have the airpower.
2 - The UN is a paper tiger and a corrupt cesspool. No one should need their 'mandate' for anything.
3 - John McCain - I appreciate your service and sacrifice for your country - but dude, it's time to retire.

The truth is that NO ONE will do anything about this. The west cannot, because it fought the wrong wars, for the wrong reasons, and gained itself a reputation for out right barbarity. The Arab nations will not move on the subject, partly because they are desperately trying to ensure thier own houses are in order, and partly because they have no wish to annoy the hardliners in thier own nations, and also because they have this misplaced sense of respect for the dignity of nations who have far bigger problems than looking bad in public.

The reality of the situation is this. People are dying, in thier thousands a week in places, while free people, like you and I, and the President of the United States, and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, and the rest of the world discuss the situation. The bloody rebels had to help evacuate the trapped journalists and photographers that were recently pinned down under heavy shelling, wounded. The rebels got them to the border with Lebanon I believe, and put them across it, at great personal risk to themselves I might add.

There is going to be no end to this, until one side kills the other completely. That means that the civil war that will be the inevitable result of the events of recent times, will last for a very long time, because for every unarmed non combatant that dies, there will be many revolutionaries born, and the cycle of death will repeat, and grow, and repeat and grow, until the rebels kill the rulers of Syria, and thier its militaries leaders.

reply to post by TrueBrit


I agree to disagree with you on some points. The trouble in Syria is exactly like Libya. Assad is not blindly killing his people. US and UK controlled Al-Qaeda terrorists are doing it. The big lie is all propaganda. What we in the west are being told is not the truth. All those lies about what is happening in Syria is to dupe the public into condoning the soon to happen invasion.

Iraq was invaded on the pretence of lies so was Libya. Syria and Iran will also be invaded on the pretence of lies.

reply to post by CaptainNemo

lol.....strap to a rocket and sent to the moon. Man....that is one hell of a good idea. What a blast of a send off. Gather all the madcaps of this Earth put them in the TR3B "Black Triangle" and send them all to the moon and the world would be peaceful for another 400 years.

reply to post by Brandon88


Why doesn't someone do a recall. He needs arrested on a mental inquest for he has totally lost his mind. Wasn't the NDAA a good enough example of his inability to think rationally. He had direct links to Soros and claims he is a Republican Conservative how twisted is that. He has been the loud mouth for war, death and destruction non stop for at least the past year. His and his side kick Graham the two sponsors for NDAA are members and Mc Cain is the leader of the International Republican institute. He was just in Egypt in order to gain a release for their co-workers for helping over throw the Egyptian government. When they are done there does anyone actually believe that the NDAA was just for the purpose of wasting paper. They have shown who they are and what they are. Its time for someone to see this and do something about it. Recall time at least.

reply to post by CaptainNemo

Russia and China are not warning the US not to get involved BUT advising the US not to get involved. They know for a fact that at this rate the US would be drained financially and weakened. They want a strong US to police the world. Can't you see neither of these two countries are interested to be involved in these Mideast countries bull#. The US can be the top dog of the world for all they care as long as you don't f***k with them. They'd just get popcorns and fries and watch the telly.