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Where does Consciousness come from, Time-wise?

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posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by voicefromtheages

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by voicefromtheages
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Does it take 3 to create?

1. neutral
2. passive
3. active

1. darkness
2. light
3. spark

1. neutron
2. proton
3. electron

1. space
2. molecular clouds
3. gravitational force

1. rock
2. water
3. erosion

1. female
2. male
3. spark



I don't understand the question, since sum of the tri-topics are incorrectly aligned.

Ribbit




That's your problem.

Good luck.



Your confusion is kNot my problem, it's yours.


The only tri-topic that was correct was the third set with the trons, which is almost impossible to get wrong, but you sure got the rest wrong.


Rock-Paper-Scissors beats out the rest.


Ribbit


No doubt, my confusion is my problem.

But your inability to understand is your problem.




posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by quedup
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I hate to be the one to explain this to you


You should not have a condescending manner on such a topic - even Einstein had problems with this topic so if you think you know better then that's fine. I'm not here to argue but to debate and discuss without being patronized.

I'm sure someone else will be along to agree with you however I will defer and agree to differ at this point.



You can sugar coat chit and call it a hot dog or you can serve it cold, either way it's still chit, sew labels are labels but math is forever.

Get over it!


Ribbit


Ps: In order to get over it, you must first get over yourself but as long as you think you're the chit, you will see bad everywhere you turn. There is no bad, only peeps that think there is but they also believe in Bigfoot, the Easter Bunny, the Toothfairy, and a few even think God is a boy.


Get Real by getting Unreal!



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posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by voicefromtheages

No doubt, my confusion is my problem.

But your inability to understand is your problem.



Once again, incorrect!


Your inability to tell the difference between a Boojum and a Snark, that's the problem and it's your problem.


I understand the truth but trying to make sense of a bunch of scrambled up werds, with very little in common with one another, doesn't make sense but they dew prove that your comprehension skills are short circuited.


Ribbit



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Time wise? Consciousness comes from a higher dimension than the 4th. Consciousness exists at the top. It doesn't come from anywhere that I would be able to understand. It just is. But the first is also the last so it keeps going. It is infinity.
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posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
Time wise? Consciousness comes from a higher dimension than the 4th. Consciousness exists at the top. It doesn't come from anywhere that I would be able to understand. It just is. But the first is also the last so it keeps going. It is infinity.



If I read you correctly, you are saying that before anything was, there was Consciousness?

I toadily agree with that but look at the contradictory nature of that?


Sumthing that was before anything was . . .

What's the only mathematical answer that qualitifes for that statement?



Ribbit



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Time wise? Consciousness comes from a higher dimension than the 4th. Consciousness exists at the top. It doesn't come from anywhere that I would be able to understand. It just is. But the first is also the last so it keeps going. It is infinity.



If I read you correctly, you are saying that before anything was, there was Consciousness?

I toadily agree with that but look at the contradictory nature of that?


Sumthing that was before anything was . . .


You are incorrect in assuming that consciousness is not a thing. There never was nothing. Consciousness is all there is, ever was, and ever will be, and there has never been and never will be an absence of it.



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by drgood
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Not true - if humans ceased to exist do you think the Earth would stop spinning and the stars would stop burning? Action can't happen without time.


Actually I think it can. Time is indeed an artifact , in my not so HO, a variant of momentum within a defined space. Biological organisms must exist with in an artificial construct they create to understand things as they can only be in a linear process. Your born, you live, you die. Sorry but no matter what you are and if you have any rational connection to the biological, it has a linear structure.

Actually what amazes me is how nothing in the non-biological has anything to do with what we call time. The best example is what happens in quantum dynamics, at the quantum level things that happen for so long could not be connected to the world of " classical physics" or the world who;s reality you and me experience. In fact it was Einstein himself who could not coordinate the non-locality and timelessness of the quantum world who after many years of trying to make sense of it said "God does not play dice with the universe" Oh no? Perhaps God enjoys a game just as anyone else does would you deny the almighty that pleasure of chance?

Perhaps its the idea that God is all seeing and all knowing and the worse thing for those of us who believe in monotheism, or one God are because they can't know any better believe God has an " Identity, a one person like Ego" I know this is not a typical post on religion frankly most of them bore me. But what if when information began to coalesce into awareness it needed to have limited beings with finite life spans to experience what we call time through us? I am not a religious man in the conventional sense but I do accept the logic of powers far greater then my self.

I do remember one (out of a total of two) documented "near death" experiences I had were I somehow KNEW, don't ask me how but I swear what I say is true that in that time I was documented as being clinically "dead" I felt something I can only call having no reference to what we call "time " Everything was in the NOW. I am sorry I can't define it better, it will take our species a very, very long time to be able express such ideas. Sorry buddy. I'm just not qualified, at least today.



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Time wise? Consciousness comes from a higher dimension than the 4th. Consciousness exists at the top. It doesn't come from anywhere that I would be able to understand. It just is. But the first is also the last so it keeps going. It is infinity.



If I read you correctly, you are saying that before anything was, there was Consciousness?

I toadily agree with that but look at the contradictory nature of that?


Sumthing that was before anything was . . .


You are incorrect in assuming that consciousness is not a thing. There never was nothing. Consciousness is all there is, ever was, and ever will be, and there has never been and never will be an absence of it.



First, I dew kNot assume anything and Second, I dew kNot assume Consciousness is not a thing, it is Everything yet n0thing, all in ONE!

Let's see if you can read lips, since you toadily misread my werds?


THE UNIVERSE IS SOURCE!

THE UNIVERSE IS CONSCIOUSNESS!

THE UNIVERSE IS GOD!

THE UNIVERSE IS ALL AND n0thing, BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, because you cannot be Everything without also being n0thing at the same time, for n0thing is sumthing!

What dew you kNot understand about that?

Ribbit



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Time wise? Consciousness comes from a higher dimension than the 4th. Consciousness exists at the top. It doesn't come from anywhere that I would be able to understand. It just is. But the first is also the last so it keeps going. It is infinity.



If I read you correctly, you are saying that before anything was, there was Consciousness?

I toadily agree with that but look at the contradictory nature of that?


Sumthing that was before anything was . . .


You are incorrect in assuming that consciousness is not a thing. There never was nothing. Consciousness is all there is, ever was, and ever will be, and there has never been and never will be an absence of it.



First, I dew kNot assume anything and Second, I dew kNot assume Consciousness is not a thing, it is Everything yet n0thing, all in ONE!

Let's see if you can read lips, since you toadily misread my werds?


THE UNIVERSE IS SOURCE!

THE UNIVERSE IS CONSCIOUSNESS!

THE UNIVERSE IS GOD!

THE UNIVERSE IS ALL AND n0thing, BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, because you cannot be Everything without also being n0thing at the same time, for n0thing is sumthing!

What dew you kNot understand about that?

Ribbit


The universe isn't anything except consciousness. The universe exists subjectively except for the light of the universe, which cannot be defined by subjective interpretation. Light is not bound by subjective terms yet is consciousness too. So really, if you want to be more accurate than saying, "the universe is something and nothing at the same time" say instead, "all is light". The light is the truth.



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Time wise? Consciousness comes from a higher dimension than the 4th. Consciousness exists at the top. It doesn't come from anywhere that I would be able to understand. It just is. But the first is also the last so it keeps going. It is infinity.



If I read you correctly, you are saying that before anything was, there was Consciousness?

I toadily agree with that but look at the contradictory nature of that?


Sumthing that was before anything was . . .


You are incorrect in assuming that consciousness is not a thing. There never was nothing. Consciousness is all there is, ever was, and ever will be, and there has never been and never will be an absence of it.



First, I dew kNot assume anything and Second, I dew kNot assume Consciousness is not a thing, it is Everything yet n0thing, all in ONE!

Let's see if you can read lips, since you toadily misread my werds?


THE UNIVERSE IS SOURCE!

THE UNIVERSE IS CONSCIOUSNESS!

THE UNIVERSE IS GOD!

THE UNIVERSE IS ALL AND n0thing, BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, because you cannot be Everything without also being n0thing at the same time, for n0thing is sumthing!

What dew you kNot understand about that?

Ribbit


The universe isn't anything except consciousness. The universe exists subjectively except for the light of the universe, which cannot be defined by subjective interpretation. Light is not bound by subjective terms yet is consciousness too. So really, if you want to be more accurate than saying, "the universe is something and nothing at the same time" say instead, "all is light". The light is the truth.



ATS is clearly the greatest dysfunctional family possible.


We have Absolutely, who's absolutely lost.

We have Now, who's lost in the Now.

We have NorEaster, who's lost in himself.

Then We have you, who's now lost in Light.

Then We have eYe, who's lost in his puddle.

The problem We all face is We all get lost in our own minds, instead of getting lost outside of IT.


Is it possible to get lost outside of all of this, in the n0thingness of Once Self?

Ribbit



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

ATS is clearly the greatest dysfunctional family possible.


We have Absolutely, who's absolutely lost.

We have Now, who's lost in the Now.

We have NorEaster, who's lost in himself.

Then We have you, who's now lost in Light.

Then We have eYe, who's lost in his puddle.

The problem We all face is We all get lost in our own minds, instead of getting lost outside of IT.


Is it possible to get lost outside of all of this, in the n0thingness of Once Self?

Ribbit


LMAO!


Outside of this (individualized form of consciousness), after you have surpassed your bind to relative interpretation, there is only light, because light is the only thing that remains the same beyond relative interpretation.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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" As to God/SourCe being "outside" of "present" time, I IS warming up to that possibility but that is the Consciousness of Everything. There's a reason why many call it the Collective Consciousness and it's because its One Consciousness shared by All. It's what gives Life to Life."

You do realise this idea of ‘one consciousness’ isn’t to be confused with God or somesuch...

" As to absolute silence of the mind, there is no such critter! Everything is moving, which denotes frequency, which denotes Sound, sew everything is Sound, which is movement, sew Zero Thought would stop Time and once stopped, it cannot be restarted. Sew if you could possibly have Zero Thought in your current "form" you would completely sever the link to your Soul and you would die, johnny on the spot. Sew a Thoughtless Moment isn't what creates awareness of self-kNot-self, it's an Absolute Thought Moment where your Thought joins that of the Collective Thought, then you IS self-kNot-self.

What you said does tie into that but it doesn't cover it, sew I don't know your Thoughts are on this addition."

I am therefore I think!

And I wasn’t talking about an absolute silence of the mind...
Or indeed movement, frequency, sound and time...
I was just keeping it simple...being a simple kind of fellow!
There’s an old saying...The fool and the child are closer to God.
Does that help?
But remember they are only closer to and not with!

But you won’t get that...you are too busy building a mathematical tower of Babel.
With the help of the odd equational straw man!
And I take exception sir...to not being included in the dysfunctional list!
And you could at least have thrown poor Justin a clue...
He is an honest enquirer and assumes no less than you.
I would have told him that he just has to turn it around...
Or even stand it on it's head!

And deary me, should I really comment on this?

“ Sew if you could possibly have Zero Thought in your current "form" you would completely sever the link to your Soul and you would die, johnny on the spot. Sew a Thoughtless Moment isn't what creates awareness of self-kNot-self, it's an Absolute Thought Moment where your Thought joins that of the Collective Thought, then you IS self-kNot-self. ”

Who is it that would die?
What is a soul?
Who said a thoughtless moment creates awareness?

Perhaps that’s enough as the rest is just madness.
Be careful toad you’re tying yourself up in knots.

What is consciousness?

From where does it originate?



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

The universe isn't anything except consciousness. The universe exists subjectively except for the light of the universe, which cannot be defined by subjective interpretation. Light is not bound by subjective terms yet is consciousness too. So really, if you want to be more accurate than saying, "the universe is something and nothing at the same time" say instead, "all is light". The light is the truth.



To say all is Light is to then say that Space is Light and it's kNot.


Have you ever wondered what the Nucleus of an Atom is comprised of?


What if the Nucleus is Space compacted?


Ribbit



posted on Mar, 12 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by midicon
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
 


" As to God/SourCe being "outside" of "present" time, I IS warming up to that possibility but that is the Consciousness of Everything. There's a reason why many call it the Collective Consciousness and it's because its One Consciousness shared by All. It's what gives Life to Life."

You do realise this idea of ‘one consciousness’ isn’t to be confused with God or somesuch...

" As to absolute silence of the mind, there is no such critter! Everything is moving, which denotes frequency, which denotes Sound, sew everything is Sound, which is movement, sew Zero Thought would stop Time and once stopped, it cannot be restarted. Sew if you could possibly have Zero Thought in your current "form" you would completely sever the link to your Soul and you would die, johnny on the spot. Sew a Thoughtless Moment isn't what creates awareness of self-kNot-self, it's an Absolute Thought Moment where your Thought joins that of the Collective Thought, then you IS self-kNot-self.

What you said does tie into that but it doesn't cover it, sew I don't know your Thoughts are on this addition."

I am therefore I think!

And I wasn’t talking about an absolute silence of the mind...
Or indeed movement, frequency, sound and time...
I was just keeping it simple...being a simple kind of fellow!
There’s an old saying...The fool and the child are closer to God.
Does that help?
But remember they are only closer to and not with!

But you won’t get that...you are too busy building a mathematical tower of Babel.
With the help of the odd equational straw man!
And I take exception sir...to not being included in the dysfunctional list!
And you could at least have thrown poor Justin a clue...
He is an honest enquirer and assumes no less than you.
I would have told him that he just has to turn it around...
Or even stand it on it's head!

And deary me, should I really comment on this?

“ Sew if you could possibly have Zero Thought in your current "form" you would completely sever the link to your Soul and you would die, johnny on the spot. Sew a Thoughtless Moment isn't what creates awareness of self-kNot-self, it's an Absolute Thought Moment where your Thought joins that of the Collective Thought, then you IS self-kNot-self. ”

Who is it that would die?
What is a soul?
Who said a thoughtless moment creates awareness?

Perhaps that’s enough as the rest is just madness.
Be careful toad you’re tying yourself up in knots.

What is consciousness?

From where does it originate?



I didn't kNot intentionally leave you off the dysfunctional list, it included everyone on ATS.


I toadily understood your "fool & child" analogy. It's sew true!
We get sew wrapped up in ourselves, our thoughts, We miss sew much but a child hasn't been programmed yet, sew they keep it simple and simple is the way of God/Source.
As to the one consciousness kNot relating to God/Source, in the sense peeps look at God/Source, I agree but just because they don't know the truth about God/Source, doesn't mean that singularity doesn't relate to God/Source.

As to Justin, I've been trying to toss him bones when I can, he just isn't interested in playing with others yet, he's still bizy finding Nemo.


eYe IS Logic, therefore eYe Think.


As to what is a Soul, its an eternal Organic CPU, which powers the mYnd of God/Source, that WE share as One Consciousness.


Ribbit



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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I did think that you would understand the fool and child analogy.
At least to the extent that you did...
But the fault is mine...I should have been more explicit.
I have a different viewpoint although there are similarities.
The bicameral mind springs to mind...in a loose kind of way.

Consciousness operates in each hemisphere of the brain...
We are unaware of the movement of consciousness...
As it oscillates between the two hemispheres...
And there is duality within this duality...just to add to the confusion.

The origin of the consciousness that thinks and experiences...
Is two dimensional...
It rises and it and is immediately subsumed by thought or immersed in self.
The soul is the self.
And you are the thinker.

Left right...positive negative...male female...etc...
All attributes of their respective hemispheres.

Even an NDE can be seen as a shift in where consciousness is operating.
Left to right where all good shaman go!
Perhaps that’s enough for now
Maybe I should start a thread and explain all this properly.

And last but not least...

I think you are a clever fellow and good natured to boot.
Your patience is appreciated.

Midicon.


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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb

The universe isn't anything except consciousness. The universe exists subjectively except for the light of the universe, which cannot be defined by subjective interpretation. Light is not bound by subjective terms yet is consciousness too. So really, if you want to be more accurate than saying, "the universe is something and nothing at the same time" say instead, "all is light". The light is the truth.



To say all is Light is to then say that Space is Light and it's kNot.


Have you ever wondered what the Nucleus of an Atom is comprised of?


What if the Nucleus is Space compacted?


Ribbit


I'm sorry. All is consciousness. Light is the ultimate form where all is internal.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by quedup
Up until a child is approx., 2 years old he/she lives in 'The Now' because he/she is not self aware. Once the child has an independent 'thought' he/she becomes aware and begins thinking for him/herself and starts experiencing the world.


You're saying that kids are not self aware until they are 2 years old ???

Lol that statement really cracked me up



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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" As to what is a Soul, its an eternal Organic CPU, which powers the mYnd of God/Source, that WE share as One Consciousness. "


The soul is the self...the living body.
Same thing really...

Does God/Source have a mind?
Of course it does...I think.
Does God/Source feel?
Of course it does...I feel.
I have to do everything.
God/source is a little too one dimensional.
For all that stuff.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Riakennor

Originally posted by quedup
Up until a child is approx., 2 years old he/she lives in 'The Now' because he/she is not self aware. Once the child has an independent 'thought' he/she becomes aware and begins thinking for him/herself and starts experiencing the world.


You're saying that kids are not self aware until they are 2 years old ???

Lol that statement really cracked me up


Its true. Humans, elephants, some apes, some birds, and dolphins, and probably one or two other species are the only species that are self-aware. And until children are 2, they aren't.

This has been proven by what is called "the mirror test", where when shown a mirror, the subject was either able or unable to recognize its reflection as its self. Its why cats run into mirrors.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by midicon
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
 


I did think that you would understand the fool and child analogy.
At least to the extent that you did...
But the fault is mine...I should have been more explicit.
I have a different viewpoint although there are similarities.
The bicameral mind springs to mind...in a loose kind of way.

Consciousness operates in each hemisphere of the brain...
We are unaware of the movement of consciousness...
As it oscillates between the two hemispheres...
And there is duality within this duality...just to add to the confusion.

The origin of the consciousness that thinks and experiences...
Is two dimensional...
It rises and it and is immediately subsumed by thought or immersed in self.
The soul is the self.
And you are the thinker.

Left right...positive negative...male female...etc...
All attributes of their respective hemispheres.

Even an NDE can be seen as a shift in where consciousness is operating.
Left to right where all good shaman go!
Perhaps that’s enough for now
Maybe I should start a thread and explain all this properly.

And last but not least...

I think you are a clever fellow and good natured to boot.
Your patience is appreciated.

Midicon.



Have you ever heard what Jill Bolte Taylor said about what happened to her when she had a blood clot (stroke) in the left hemisphere of her mind, which shut off that side of her brain?

Jill Bolte Taylor

The spot in the video where she talks about what she saw begins at 8:08 , where she says:

"And then I lost my balance, and I'm propped up against the wall. And I look down at my arm and I realize that I can no longer define the boundaries of my body. I can't define where I begin and where I end, because the atoms and the molecules of my arm blended with the atoms and molecules of the wall. And all I could detect was this energy -- energy."

What that tells me is that our brains are designed to interpret this Energy Construct into what We are supposed to see, which, of course, isn't what it really is and the boundaries of this Construct are built into everything, us as well, and that's why We can't walk thru walls that aren't actually there.


I think Jill got a peek at the truth and she now knows We are n0thing more than Energy Beings in this Construct, a Construct of Thought.


Ribbit



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