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Where does Consciousness come from, Time-wise?

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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 09:58 PM
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Howdy peeps,


I've recently been discussing the Time of Thinking and Thought, and the result is interesting. Here are a few things I've said:

To think is to have thunk, because when you think of sumthing, that thought is now in the past, thus, since Time has to elapse for anything to happen, when you think, you can only realize it when that thought is now in the past. Actions then manifest themselves in the present from past actions, which includes thought.

Sew it can be said that the Present is for understanding the past and to rationalize the future.


Then sumone said:

Thinking and thought are the same thing . . .


I replied:

No they are kNot!

Thinking occurs in the now and Thought is the END result of Thinking, which means Thought can only exist in the past, whereas Thinking can only happen Now.


I have also said:

The illusion of Time is kNot delusional, it's illusionary, thus, Time is Real, it's our perception of it that's off.


With all of that, Thinking/Thought comes from Consciousness and since the process of Thinking comes from the Consciousness and occurs Now, with that Thinking now Thought in the past, then where does Consciousness come from, Time-wise? That covers Past & Present, sew where does the future come into play to complete the Trinality?

The Consciousness has to pre-exist for the Thinking to go down, sew does the Consciousness come from the Now (present) or the Then (future)?

Would kNot Consciousness have to be one step ahead of Thinking for Thinking/Thought to be possible?


Ribbit



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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Yes this is surely a fascinating subject but there is only ever 'The NOW' and every moment is in The Now.....

We are lead to believe - if you listen to the words of the Bible that - 'In the beginning was the Word' however this is not true.

Creation is one mass of Conscience and we spurn from that and are part of that whole.

So therefore, in the beginning was 'THOUGHT' and thought was able to think and became CREATOR as we all are but this is kept hidden from us.

We are distracted by the problems of life and this stops us from THINKING of HIGHER THINGS.

From Thought came the Word and from The Word and Thought Together came Actions.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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Would kNot Consciousness have to be one step ahead of Thinking for Thinking/Thought to be possible?


I think kNot. Time is a perception, it does kNot exist.
Clocks exist.



Think of it as everything is happening all at once, but we are perceiving it at this particular magnetic frequency.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Your experiences in life are from the past. By the time your senses pick up information, send them to your brain and you acknowledge something, it's already in the past.

I think of life the same way a video game works. Time works in frames, commands are given to a character who runs around in an environment defined by laws, where, if you know these laws, anything is potential. Think of yourself as an amateur moderator in the game of life. If you had the scripts to fly around or create something out of thin air, you could do it. We just lack the knowledge.

We, the player, send commands to the character in the game. The character in the game has no knowledge of some kind of external controller and will NEVER be able to see or know of them.

Some people like to refer to this as your higher self.

Personally we are a representation of our self in some kind of other dimension or parallel universe. I mean, even if you are in a cave, below ground, on an island out in the middle of nowhere, thousands of kilometers from any other person, you don't really feel alone do you? I've always felt that no matter what, what i am experiencing down here on a personal level, is somehow being experienced somewhere, or somehow in another form, and that i am never truly alone.

We still don't know what time is, or if it even exists, making it very hard to decipher in a metaphysically, theoretical, philosophical manner.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Time is a human construct. Consciousness lies outside of our illusory perception of time and so is not bound by it. If anything I would turn things around and say it is us that exists within consciousness. That is to say consciousness is not the by-product of our mental processes but rather we are a result of consciousness.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:16 PM
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Time is Man Made - there is no such thing in the Universe - it simply serves our purpose and helps life to be orderly as we perceive it passing like the flow of a river forever going forward.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by quedup
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Yes this is surely a fascinating subject but there is only ever 'The NOW' and every moment is in The Now.....

We are lead to believe - if you listen to the words of the Bible that - 'In the beginning was the Word' however this is not true.

Creation is one mass of Conscience and we spurn from that and are part of that whole.

So therefore, in the beginning was 'THOUGHT' and thought was able to think and became CREATOR as we all are but this is kept hidden from us.

We are distracted by the problems of life and this stops us from THINKING of HIGHER THINGS.

From Thought came the Word and from The Word and Thought Together came Actions.



Thought comes from Consciousness, sew in the beginning that never began, there was Consciousness, then Thought automatically came from that Consciousness, and from that Thought a werd emerged and that werd was . . . ONE.


Ribbit



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by quedup
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Yes this is surely a fascinating subject but there is only ever 'The NOW' and every moment is in The Now.....

We are lead to believe - if you listen to the words of the Bible that - 'In the beginning was the Word' however this is not true.

Creation is one mass of Conscience and we spurn from that and are part of that whole.

So therefore, in the beginning was 'THOUGHT' and thought was able to think and became CREATOR as we all are but this is kept hidden from us.

We are distracted by the problems of life and this stops us from THINKING of HIGHER THINGS.

From Thought came the Word and from The Word and Thought Together came Actions.



Thought comes from Consciousness, sew in the beginning that never began, there was Consciousness, then Thought automatically came from that Consciousness, and from that Thought a werd emerged and that werd was . . . ONE.


Ribbit


Thought, is consciousness - Self Awareness!

Everything - from the beginning is in a state of expansion - an expansions of experiential awareness and creation.
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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Not true - if humans ceased to exist do you think the Earth would stop spinning and the stars would stop burning? Action can't happen without time.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Namaste1001
Time is a human construct. Consciousness lies outside of our illusory perception of time and so is not bound by it. If anything I would turn things around and say it is us that exists within consciousness. That is to say consciousness is not the by-product of our mental processes but rather we are a result of consciousness.



You crossed/mixed wires sumwhere because what you said in the end, is right inline with what I said.


Consciousness is kNot a byproduct of our Mental Process, because Thinking is the by-product of our Mental Process and Thinking COMES FROM Consciousness. Here's the flow:

Consciousness > Mental Process/Thinking > Thought (rinse and repeat)

Ribbit





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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by drgood
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Not true - if humans ceased to exist do you think the Earth would stop spinning and the stars would stop burning? Action can't happen without time.


There is no action to begin with. It's an illusion created our slow sense of perception. If you think of the universe as a three-dimensional animation running at trillions of frames per second. To see past the illusion and start seeing individual frames for what they truly are you would need to be able to perceive faster than those trillions of frames per second. Our perception at best lies around 30 frames per second.

We perceive matter as being solid but again this is an illusion as all matter is made of atoms. Atoms are not things they are quantum potentialities.
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by drgood
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Not true - if humans ceased to exist do you think the Earth would stop spinning and the stars would stop burning? Action can't happen without time.


Of course it would not stop spinning but I disagree with "Action can't happen without Time"

Einstein was obsessed with the concept of 'Time' as we all are.

It is all - as is being recognised by the Scientists of today who study with the Atomic Clock a series of micro moments in THE NOW. Slices of 'NOW'



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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Thinking has got to come from Thought:




TextConsciousness > Mental Process/Thinking > Thought (rinse and repeat)


Hence Thought produces Thinking. You could say that 'Thinking is the action produced by Thought'
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by quedup

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by quedup
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Yes this is surely a fascinating subject but there is only ever 'The NOW' and every moment is in The Now.....

We are lead to believe - if you listen to the words of the Bible that - 'In the beginning was the Word' however this is not true.

Creation is one mass of Conscience and we spurn from that and are part of that whole.

So therefore, in the beginning was 'THOUGHT' and thought was able to think and became CREATOR as we all are but this is kept hidden from us.

We are distracted by the problems of life and this stops us from THINKING of HIGHER THINGS.

From Thought came the Word and from The Word and Thought Together came Actions.



Thought comes from Consciousness, sew in the beginning that never began, there was Consciousness, then Thought automatically came from that Consciousness, and from that Thought a werd emerged and that werd was . . . ONE.


Ribbit


Thought, is consciousness - Self Awareness!

Everything - from the beginning is in a state of expansion - an expansions of experiential awareness and creation.



Incorrect! Thought COMES FROM Thinking and Thinking COMES FROM Consciousness and Consciousness is also the Source of Self Awareness, for Self Awareness requires Thinking.


Consciousness is SourCe and SourCe is Consciousness.


Ribbit



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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How could you think about something without first having a thought to think about it?



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by quedup
Thinking has got to come from Thought:




TextConsciousness > Mental Process/Thinking > Thought (rinse and repeat)


Hence Thought produces Thinking. You could say that 'Thinking is the action produced by Thought'



But Thought and Thinking dew kNot produce Consciousness, Consciousness produces Thinking, which then creates Thought, which then can be a SourCe of what you are now Thinking, but never the SourCe of Consciousness.


Ribbit



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by quedup
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How could you think about something without first having a thought to think about it?



I hate to be the one to explain this to you but you automatically Think without Thinking about it.
That's what's known as your Consciousness.


As to Thinking OF a Thought, the Thought happened in a past Thinking episode, sew to Think of a Thought, is to Think of a previous Thought once again, so it still has correct Time to it but your comment is a Time-Warp of Thought.


Ribbit



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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Up until a child is approx., 2 years old he/she lives in 'The Now' because he/she is not self aware. Once the child has an independent 'thought' he/she becomes aware and begins thinking for him/herself and starts experiencing the world.

Thought and Consciousness have got to be one and the same ie., Thought/Consciousness/Awareness are ONE. and results in 'Thinking' thereby Creating.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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I hate to be the one to explain this to you


You should not have a condescending manner on such a topic - even Einstein had problems with this topic so if you think you know better then that's fine. I'm not here to argue but to debate and discuss without being patronized.

I'm sure someone else will be along to agree with you however I will defer and agree to differ at this point.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 11:01 PM
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My mind went to a totally different direction when reading the OP. What I interpreted is that it was about the beginning of time and consciousness.

I do have a thought on consciousness (what we are, but not out physical selves).

I do believe in Einstein, energy cannot be created or destroyed. Our consciousness is a form of energy, as for what happens when our bodies cease to function is anyones guess.



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