i'm confused about this forum

Originally posted by pasiphae
once upon a time climate change could be discussed without every other post saying something like "here we go again with the global warming crap". is this no longer a forum we can discuss climate change without the battle? or am i the only one who comes here anymore that actually believes in climate change (and not the cyclical kind that happens all the time that humans have no involvement in)?. has everyone else left because it's not worth the argument?

i'm really disappointed.

and now i expect a bunch of people to comment about how stupid i am to believe climate change has been accelerated by humans.

edit on 5-3-2012 by pasiphae because: typos

I am sorry that you have to get your answer this way. Briefly, no, you cannot talk about it, because people will jump at your throat.

That aside, the issue of climate change, in terms of what can people do about it, happens to be intertwined with the use of fossil fuels, which are finite.

Whether or not you believe climate change is real, fossil fuels are going to go up in price because we don't slow down the rate at which we use them.

In short, yes, climate change is happening, but economic collapse and spikes in oil price are going to hit us sooner IMHO, and the effect will be devastating.

Whatever. It's too late.

-rrr

reply to post by pasiphae


Its because that GW supporters get tired of the same tired worn out arguements over and over and over.

While skeptics cling to Al Gore (a guy in a movie) and the IPCC emails, which were proven false, as their only reasons, and it gets quite pathetic. And there is no chance for any real debate.

The GW poster child is/was Al Gore. He was the GW champion. The science that tried to institute a global taxing scheme was bunk, false, boldfaced lies. Why would you want to perpetuate it?

It was changed from GW to CC (climate change) when the evidence showed that temperatures were decreasing rather than increasing, when the evidence that the polar caps were in fact increasing, that polar bears were in fact not on the verge of extinction.

Focus your energy and concern on the major issues of the day. The world needs to right itself (socially and economically) before society can waste the time and money worrying about how to improve the environment to prevent our minute impact on the climate.

We're on the verge of WWIII, global depression, mass unemployment, loss of freedom. People are worried how they are going to put food on the table, how to fill their tanks to get to their jobs, if they are going to be a casualty of a war they didn't ask for, etc... Much more dire items worthy of attention and campaigning.

If you ask the government to save you from climate change, they will gladly tax you while blaming it on you for breathing, and then take your money to fuel their jets, yachts, destroyers, tanks, and fill their guns with DU.

The world is not in dire need of green. It's in dire need of the white flag.

reply to post by primus2012

This post basically sums up everything that's wrong with the whole "debate".

You're just mindlessly regurgitating a bunch of unsourced, typical phony denier talking points that have no basis in actual fact.

No, temperatures are not decreasing:

Study funded by skeptics finds global warming real


No, polar ice caps are not increasing:

Polar Ice Sheets Melting Faster Than Predicted

Antarctic ice sheet losing mass, says University of Colorado study


No, polar bear populations are not improving:

Polar Bear Status: In Decline


And far and away though the best one is this -

It was changed from GW to CC (climate change) when the evidence showed that temperatures were decreasing rather than increasing

No it wasn't. It was always called climate change by the scientific community. That's what the CC in IPCC stands for. The media started using the term because the Bush administration developed it as a "language strategy" - specifically to downplay and deny the threat of global warming. Here's a video of Republican language guru Frank Luntz bragging about coming up with the idea:



And look at how well it has worked - every single time anyone starts a thread on Global Warming it's a virtual guarantee there will be about 15 responses exactly like yours.

This is the very reason why ATS is so screwed up these days. It has become a total echo chamber of ignorance. Just a bunch of sheep who come on here and mindlessly regurgitate these memes because they see all the other conspiracy sheep doing it too, so that means it must be the "top secret" truth or something.

You guys have no idea how much you're getting played by the real hoaxers here - the oil companies, the corporate lobbyists, the disinformation specialists who all have a vested interest in convincing you there is no problem. So they just exploit your cynicism and your paranoia about taxes to help convince everyone that we should just keep spending and consuming all the finite resources they control, because the more we do that the richer they become.

So try being an actual skeptic instead of another one of their unwitting denier pawns. Think for yourself. React to information with logic instead of emotion. Apply some critical thinking and GO ACTUALLY FOLLLOW THE DAMN MONEY instead of just saying "follow the money" like every other useless conspiracy sock puppet on this site.

It's about trillions of dollars in carbon credit trading. Nothing about saving the people or the planet. What can a loaded vault of cash do to stop the Sun; the grand decider of wee Earth's climate?

For every article proclaiming global warming is happening, there's at least one if not more proclaiming it's not. I won't waste the effort trying to argue your links. Pointless to argue really, the blinders are stuck on some and unable to be put on others.