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The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Originally posted by dannotz
reply to post by pasiphae
I agree with you, the attitudes people log onto ATS with are UGLY. That's Datroof.
It's like, everyone is just waiting for a reply so they can try to one-up the other person.
Nobody can conjecture anymore, or use their imagination.
And if you go a bit "out to space" you get some old crusty mean member that comes in with pie charts and 20 links telling you whatever you think you wanted to talk about isn't going to be talked about because they said so and they have charts and numbers.
The new members just try to argue or get their post count up most of the time, and the old members are so distraught that their good ole ATS just aint the same anymore that they come into every thread just itching to leave a reply that says;
"you stink, your ideas stink, i'm awesome, look at my 5,000 post count, [insert sarcastic witty remark], oh and here's a pie chart that says your wrong"
I totally get you OP, it's hard to scroll down past the OP sometimes, and other times it's hard to even read a threads OP because it was written so arrogantly with little to no factual information to back up their thoughts. And yes people, opinions and facts aren't the same thing.
I've really been trying to be a good member lately, and encourage good conversation and debate, i just wish others would adopt this philosophy.
Let me know when you wanna talk about climate change, we can have a nice long conversation about it all night if you'd like!
Thanks for posting thisedit on 6-3-2012 by dannotz because: spelling
is this no longer a forum we can discuss climate change without the battle?
Originally posted by Imtor
I absolutely dont care about the is it global warming and caused by humans yay vs nay debate. I'm glad that people here are realizing there is an abornal change in weather.
For me global warming especially caused by humans is rather too exaggerated. I think it is part of the Earth's natural process the weather to change, that DOES NOT make it normal, at least for our standards and idea of winter, this is not normal. Maybe because there isn't a getting colder, obviously, it is warming,.
So I think it is reasonable to claim there is warming, as for caused by humans? - it hardly has much effect what humans do, The Earth is active, see the earthquakes, volcanoes, climate, it is all part of it.
Some complain smth doesnt freeze? This was the best winter for years, we had more snow than any other of the last maybe 15 years but while it snowed a lot, it was not that typical years ago to suddenly become spring-to-almost-summer in February and March, The weather didn't just become warmer than winter, it became almost like as if it is May not March. I am for having some more snow.
Originally posted by usmc0311
reply to post by pasiphae
Anyone who doesn't believe the climate is changing. Come to Michigan and talk to the people and you will find your answer. This is the first year that anyone can remember that the lakes have not frozen over. (in southern MI)
We also have not had a snowstorm produce more than 3-5 inches of snow at a time. We have had record highs and sustained periods of warmth. Enough to cause trees to bud in January and my garlic to sprout as well. I laugh at people who don't believe our climate is changing. The reasons can be debated till everyone is blue in the face, but the simple fact is that it is changing. Also look what is happening in europe this winter.