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Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by HappyBunny
Okay, so you're saying that God has always existed--but you cannot, will not, admit that if that is true, then it's also possible that life itself has always existed...in which case your God is redundant. Or, that there's no need for a "designer" in order for life to spontaneously emerge. In which case, your God is redundant. Learn to think, man. You creationists and Bible thumpers don't even realize you're contradicting yourselves.
OF course - life always existed because God always existed. As the ultimate source of life - he had the capacity to share life. Thus the Creator of Life. Simple as that. Learn to think man.
As for redundancy, there's ONLY ONE Creator - Jehovah God. No one created him thus no redundancy. Why you can't figure this out I don't know.
Question is - if you can't believe that God exist, why do you believe that there's such thing as Infinity and infinite space?
tc.
And more preaching, and zero facts
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by HappyBunny
Okay, so you're saying that God has always existed--but you cannot, will not, admit that if that is true, then it's also possible that life itself has always existed...in which case your God is redundant. Or, that there's no need for a "designer" in order for life to spontaneously emerge. In which case, your God is redundant. Learn to think, man. You creationists and Bible thumpers don't even realize you're contradicting yourselves.
OF course - life always existed because God always existed. As the ultimate source of life - he had the capacity to share life. Thus the Creator of Life. Simple as that. Learn to think man.
As for redundancy, there's ONLY ONE Creator - Jehovah God. No one created him thus no redundancy. Why you can't figure this out I don't know.
Question is - if you can't believe that God exist, why do you believe that there's such thing as Infinity and infinite space?
tc.
Blah blah blah. Even Toothy is more coherent than you are. Why don't you stop ranting and show us some evidence for your position!
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by HappyBunny
Blah blah blah. Even Toothy is more coherent than you are. Why don't you stop ranting and show us some evidence for your position!
why can't you answer my simple Q?
if you can't believe that God exist, why do you believe that there's such thing as Infinity and infinite space?
tc.
Strawman. Where did I ever say that I don't believe God exists? Also, why is a god necessary for infinity?
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by HappyBunny
Strawman. Where did I ever say that I don't believe God exists? Also, why is a god necessary for infinity?
OK - so you do believe that God exist.
Infinity gives us a little bit of understanding about the existence of God in that they go hand and hand.
If infinity exist why can't God exist, if God exist what can't infinity exist.
simple as that.
Q is - you said you believe that God exist, do you believe then that he's the source of life - the source of E=mc2?
tc.
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by MrXYZ
And more preaching, and zero facts
Still no answer to my simple Q mr xyz?
what-up?
tc.
No, I don't believe God is the source of life or a creator. There's simply no reason to believe we or the universe are created--a god isn't necessary for life or the universe.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by MrXYZ
And more preaching, and zero facts
Still no answer to my simple Q mr xyz?
what-up?
tc.
No one can answer you questions because we don't have the means to do so, or objective evidence to make any claims.
You simply claim to have answers when it's clear that you're just as clueless as the rest of us. The difference is, you seemingly can't live with not knowing, so you fill a gap in knowledge with magic...aka your god. You're doing the same thing Hindus, Muslims, and the spaghetti monster guys do
You're essentially coming on here saying:"You don't have an answer, ergo magic did it!"
The problem with that is that a TON of stuff people attributed to god in the past is now demonstrably not an act of god. But who cares about facts, right?
No one can answer you questions because we don't have the means to do so, or objective evidence to make any claims.
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by HappyBunny
No, I don't believe God is the source of life or a creator. There's simply no reason to believe we or the universe are created--a god isn't necessary for life or the universe.
So you believe that God exist but he has nothing to do with the creation of life or for that matter the universe.
Are you saying then that life and the universe just came to be by unguided chance events?
If so is this based on faith or scientific facts?
That spontaneous generation is not only possible but a fact?
How incoherent is that?
How can you be so sure then that the Creator of Life - Jehovah God does not exist if you admit that...
I on other hand is 100% sure that he exist because intelligent life itself exist.
So does God exist?
Originally posted by edmc^2
How can you be so sure then that the Creator of Life - Jehovah God does not exist if you admit that...
I on other hand is 100% sure that he exist because intelligent life itself exist.
It's based on physics, although I do not discount the possibility that there is a creator god. Unlike you, on the other hand, who can't and won't admit you might be wrong.
Nobody knows the answer to that question although if we were betting, I'd take spontaneous generation over some mythical being any day. Nice try baiting me into it, though.
Faith teaches you to not think at all and to just believe.
You believe in myth.
That's blind FAITH you're referring to...
Where is this faith of yours based from? Reality or made up stories like spontaneous generation?
Not saying there is no god (Jehova, Allah, whatever...), I'm just saying there is ZERO objective evidence suggesting there is...which is why it's ridiculous to pretend god's existence is fact. In fact, it's laughable and shows a great deal of ignorance.
Not saying there is no god (Jehova, Allah, whatever...)
there is ZERO objective evidence suggesting there is
That's not objective evidence or proof! You are stating a BELIEF, not a fact...yet you pretend it's factual. That's incredibly dishonest, kinda like a snake oil salesman.
You might just as well say "I believe god exists because cucumbers are green"
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by HappyBunny
It's based on physics, although I do not discount the possibility that there is a creator god. Unlike you, on the other hand, who can't and won't admit you might be wrong.
So spontaneous generation is based on physics - sure 'bout that?
And by physics - can you cite just one example / lab experiment if you will of "LIFE" spontaneously generating?
If you can please let me know because this is the "HOLY GRAIL" that evolutionist/atheist had been looking for, for quite a while now.
Nobody knows the answer to that question although if we were betting, I'd take spontaneous generation over some mythical being any day. Nice try baiting me into it, though.
So the god that you're referring to is a mythical being? OK - now it's becoming clearer to me. You believe in myth.
That's blind FAITH you're referring to - just like the faith that unbelievers have that blind chance events created everything.
Do you believe that unguided blind chance events created everything?
But TRUE FAITH is:
“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Hebrews 11:1)
"...the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.”
Just like I have faith that the sun will shine again tomorrow.
Q is - how strong is your faith that life spontaneously generated?
Where is this faith of yours based from?
And that's a fact not just my belief.
Nobody has...which is why rational people including scientists simply admit that they "don't know (yet)". You on the other hand simply can't deal with that and therefore fill a lack of knowledge with magic (aka god). As I said, you're presenting one prime example of "god of the gaps" after the other...thanks for that