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OBL was not buried at sea: Stratfor analysts

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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:08 AM
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Maybe he did die at sea after he was captured and taken on the departing helicopter from his hideout. He may have been wounded in the struggle, but not killed, and they couldn't save him on the ride back to possibly an aircraft carrier located on some body of water. Maybe he died over the water?
From Wikipedia...

While the official Department of Defense narrative did not mention the airbases used in the operation,[87] later accounts indicated that the helicopters returned to Bagram Airfield.[53] The body of Osama bin Laden was then flown from Bagram to the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson in a V-22 Osprey escorted by two U.S. Navy F/A-18 fighter jets.

It does seem to make sense, but would dying in an aircraft over the water count as dying at sea?




posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by SeriousIndividual
reply to post by MilzGatez
 


Maybe he did die at sea after he was captured and taken on the departing helicopter from his hideout. He may have been wounded in the struggle, but not killed, and they couldn't save him on the ride back to possibly an aircraft carrier located on some body of water. Maybe he died over the water?
From Wikipedia...

While the official Department of Defense narrative did not mention the airbases used in the operation,[87] later accounts indicated that the helicopters returned to Bagram Airfield.[53] The body of Osama bin Laden was then flown from Bagram to the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson in a V-22 Osprey escorted by two U.S. Navy F/A-18 fighter jets.

It does seem to make sense, but would dying in an aircraft over the water count as dying at sea?


Again i doubt that Bin Laden was killed in the raid at all.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:20 AM
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I agree that wasn't him going over the side for fish food. There is not making a spectacle of something and then there is black secrecy. This reeked of black.

I'm thinking we took him alive and the only way it would be valuable is if everyone believed he was dead. There is just no other way in the modern world to properly..ahem...'exploit'...such an "asset". In the clear, he'd have had a small army demanding his release and another small army of lawyers and aid officials to tend to his every whim.


...and what a quinky dink,
It's pure coincidence that a war we've done pretty badly at thus far at targeting high value people as individuals suddenly took a turn for the better. The MUCH better...almost over night. Heck, by reading the news, we're still nailing important people at a rate Bush is probably getting drunk again over.


All coincidence though.....of course. Bin Laden died that night and Obama really cared that much about the body. Yup.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I agree that wasn't him going over the side for fish food. There is not making a spectacle of something and then there is black secrecy. This reeked of black.

I'm thinking we took him alive and the only way it would be valuable is if everyone believed he was dead. There is just no other way in the modern world to properly..ahem...'exploit'...such an "asset". In the clear, he'd have had a small army demanding his release and another small army of lawyers and aid officials to tend to his every whim.


...and what a quinky dink,
It's pure coincidence that a war we've done pretty badly at thus far at targeting high value people as individuals suddenly took a turn for the better. The MUCH better...almost over night. Heck, by reading the news, we're still nailing important people at a rate Bush is probably getting drunk again over.


All coincidence though.....of course. Bin Laden died that night and Obama really cared that much about the body. Yup.


In regards to us taking such a long time finding high-value targets...wouldn't it be easier to find bin Laden if we already knew where he was, thanks to our friends in the Pakistani government paying for his house with U.S. dollars?




posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by Holodomor

In regards to us taking such a long time finding high-value targets...wouldn't it be easier to find bin Laden if we already knew where he was, thanks to our friends in the Pakistani government paying for his house with U.S. dollars?



Oh, I'll just bet there is one fascinating story behind all that which won't really be known for a long time after the participants are gone. I agree.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:38 AM
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This leak is pure speculation which is apparent from the tone. So don't lump this with many of the others which are based on intelligence gathered from some pretty important people.

Second, much of the OBL was dead before the raid rumors come from the Bhutto interview in which she was not speaking of OBL and also some MSM stories speculating OBL kidneys could not support him especially when in the "caves." We now know he wasnt on the lamb and even recieved top notch medical attention.

Lastly, only a fool believes we did not know where OBL was for at least the latter part of his life. Once he served his purpose he was extracted, tortured, and killed.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by Holodomor

In regards to us taking such a long time finding high-value targets...wouldn't it be easier to find bin Laden if we already knew where he was, thanks to our friends in the Pakistani government paying for his house with U.S. dollars?



Oh, I'll just bet there is one fascinating story behind all that which won't really be known for a long time after the participants are gone. I agree.


Its been rumored quite a bit even before his death that he was in Pakistan and that the Pakis were providing him refuge. While I say that is a possibility, I have to expect that, due to our extremely close relations with the Pakistani government, the U.S. was involved to some extent. It is true that OBL spent most of his time escaping Afghanistan in very luxurious areas (by their standards)...probably very little was spent in caves. We very likely knew where he was but either:

A.) held off killing him until the opportunity for a morale-boosting opportunity, and dumped the body at sea
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B.) kept him protected until we could be sure we no longer needed him for another false flag attack, assassinated him, and buried him in an unmarked grave, likely in Arlington Cemetery or the like.

It depends on whether or not you believe 9/11 was perpetrated by our government (I personally don't share that belief, but it is an option on the table). I would not be surprised if option B was somewhat correct.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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Didn't you guys watched the leaked footage?




posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:15 AM
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Originally posted by EartOccupant
Didn't you guys watched the leaked footage?


lol'd
edit on 6-3-2012 by Holodomor because: removed embedded video



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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OBL needed medics on standby he was that sick.
I was at my best friend's house and coincidentally, his sister came home on a break from the Army.
I asked her, tell me something that most people do not know. And let me remind you, i heard this months before the OBL death propaganda( btw its sick seeing thousands of people celebrating a man's death) . She told me hes been caught. He was in California getting a medical transplant done.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:20 AM
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its obvious that al qaeda started as a variation of the operation phoenix program back when the cia was supplying them and training them as elite fighters against the russians.
this tried and true effective method began in 1967 and is still in use today. in effect al qaeda could be the most successful phoenix based operation ever.
phoenixes main objective in vietnam was to sway local opinion through violence and propoganda also to take the form of the enemy and the friend. the cia used americans and foriegn (australian) specialst to train the locals who in effect became the hit teams reporting to the CIA.
this all sounds too familiar considering al qaeda being a corner stone in shaping western public opinion toward the middle east,also the various escalations in violence we have seen.
If Al qaeda were in fact still under control of the CIA and had been all along this in effect could be the most powerful weapon in the world by proxy.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by binkbonk
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The announcement that we got bin laden, on a sunday night while all all america were at home huddled around their big screens was the biggest act of american propaganda that I've ever witnessed.


I am not sure if I believe this version of events either, but did anyone notice that their was more reaction from the Al Qaeda desecrated Korans being taken out with the trash than there was for getting Bin Laden?



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by EartOccupant
Didn't you guys watched the leaked footage?


Ha ha, I was about to embed that video, classic.

As far as "buried at sea," I can't imagine anyone with a functioning brain ever believed that. So absurd it does not warrant mentioning.

For what it's worth (and around here, probably not much without pics or links), a close personal friend of mine that works for a 3-letter outfit confirmed to me some time ago that the official story was pure malarky. As if you didn't know that already.

It's been getting pretty thick, brothers and sisters. May want to invest in some good rubber boots.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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I also dont believe OBL was killed in the raid but just thinking out loud here, if he was killed pre 9/11, where did the statements come from where he denied involvement in the days just after 9/11?

Unless it wasn't him issuing the statements and it was just Al Qaeda in general denying involvement?



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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i mean come on. ok so, here's how everything went down. we found Sadaam Hussein in a spider hole underneath the ground within a couple of years. Yet the most wanted man in the entire world was hiding in a house full of porn and we couldn't find this guy?


this guy was plastered on every news station. everyone knew what he looked at, and not one person in the entire world was like.... hey.... wait.... i know that guy... OH # that's OBL i gotta tell someone. in 10 freakin years, and then out of no where we swoop in overnight and kill him then discard his body at sea.


the saddest thing about this whole situation. is most people bought this story. people didn't even question it. the second i heard it i was thought it was BS, but everyone at my job was hooting and hollering like some god forsaken miracle just happened.

this whole thing smells to high heaven in propaganda, but apparently the sheep haven't picked up the scent.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 09:05 AM
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OBL was not buried at sea: Stratfor analysts

OF COURSE NOT. Can we have a collective 'DUH!' ....
Nothing is as it seems. Nothing coming out of the White House can be trusted.
Doesn't matter if it's a republican or democrat. You get told what they want you to believe.
That's why this election coming up is a sham.
Obama? Romney? NO DIFFERENCE. You can't believe either one of them.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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The west armed alCIAda and sent them into Lybia to remove Gadaffi. Now they are in Syria. Where next? Iran? Yes they could help to liberate those newly discovered oilfields.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
Funny guys you are.

We will not find one single post by either of you that does not support government's theories, postulations, and claims of factual evidence.

The "official line" is your Bible, your Creed, and your motto... much like Mossad would say, WE PRETEND !!


Now this is just laughable. I don't support the official line on anything. Occasionally my research will suggest that the official line may be true, but I never follow any of it based on faith, and to be perfectly honest, a great deal of these conspiracies require faith.

OBL's death is debatable. To America, it was like he just disappeared for 10 years and suddenly Obama declared him dead. It's understandable and justified to question that. The official story is even more suspicious. "We found Bin Laden, the guy we've been hunting since the start of the war. Let's give nobody closure and just say we attached weights to him and threw his body to sea."

In my opinion, I think it's likely that Osama was killed in that compound, since Pakistan's reaction was pissed. I just think that the people who killed him did it out of cold blood in the manner of a war crime. Any photos would likely reveal that Osama was brutally murdered, maybe mutilated without any kind of weapon on his person. It would be a political and diplomatic fiasco which would rile up any of OBL's supporters all over the world. But, I've no evidence for this, and that's why I preface it with "in my opinion." It only helps to make you look insane if you act like you are certain when all you have to go on is speculation and faith.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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At this point I would like to preface everything I say with a blanket IMO... Isn't that implicitly implied anyway? Everything that is said is an opinion of the person saying it, unless direct irrefutable evidence is also presented. You are creating an issue out of the obvious.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by binkbonk
At this point I would like to preface everything I say with a blanket IMO... Isn't that implicitly implied anyway? Everything that is said is an opinion of the person saying it, unless direct irrefutable evidence is also presented. You are creating an issue out of the obvious.


I have met enough people who want to gouge my eyes out for disagreeing with their determination to know that people will take your posts at face-value and believe them unless you make it very clear that you are not 100% certain. It may seem like a non-issue, and I know it's inconvenient to make yourself clear, but we're here to deny ignorance.



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