Search for Space Aliens a waste of time, God did not make them....

I came across this rather interesting article regarding the search for aliens in space.

For an evolutionist, the search for alien life is the search for his own origins. “We are conducting the most profound search in human history—to know our beginnings and our place among the stars,” declares the SETI Institute, which has spent more than $100 million so far in public and private funds to comb space looking for alien communications.2 Most wealthy governments are spending millions more on other programs looking for extraterrestrial life.

I do tend to agree with this statement. We have searched for how long, and how wide, spend how much money on it, and yet, still nothing. Of course space is big, but how long will it take?

NASA, for example, spends some $500 million each year on exploratory missions to Mars and other planets and moons where, among other goals, they hope to find evidence of life.3 The European Space Agency’s upcoming $700 million Darwin telescope array (the name is no coincidence) will hunt “the most likely places for life to develop.

”4 Yet as we keep exploring deeper and deeper into space, we are not finding any signs of alien life. As physicist Enrico Fermi quipped, “Where is everybody?” If life evolves under the right conditions, why haven’t we found anything?

It could be that space is just so vast, that we are unable to look everywhere. Or it could mean, that there is indeed no other intelligent life out there.

But then the article mentions this:

The Bible shows us that God’s plan revolves around earth. God created the heavenly bodies for the sake of mankind (Genesis 1:14) and completed Creation Week by forming Adam and Eve. When these two earthlings sinned, their actions affected the entire universe, which fell into “the bondage of corruption” (Romans 8:21). Christ became a man (not an alien) and died once (Hebrews 10:10)—to redeem mankind.

He has since been seated at the right hand of the Father (Luke 22:69), not ministering on alien worlds. The message of the heavens is that there is intelligence, found in our Creator God (Romans 1:20), not evolution.

Now this could be perceived as being rather controversial. I have always believed that religion, and the believe in aliens should not be mixed. Many might disagree with this statement. However, some would say that what the people in the bible perceive to be angels and such, might indeed just be aliens.

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VVV anything is possible. I regard nature and all the little creatures... why couldn't there be a 7 ft tall speaking octopus or ant?

Originally posted by Thurisaz
VVV anything is possible. I regard nature and all the little creatures... why couldn't there be a 7 ft tall speaking octopus or ant?

Of course. However, if we have not seen a 7ft tall speaking octopus, then how do we know its there? Then we believe its there with blind faith. That i cannot do.

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reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


It is a waste of money. Not only is it like finding a needle in a haystack but if anything is found it will be classified as "top secret".

It's funny the poster above me said "ant people", the aliens people describe look just like ants

Oh yeah, heya TV

It could be that space is just so vast, that we are unable to look everywhere. Or it could mean, that there is indeed no other intelligent life out there.

Or, it could be, that your government isn't telling you 100% of what they know of.

Maybe? No? Would never happen? ...Of course it would happen, it's always been that way, it's called "leverage" and it's how people have been flying around in private jets all their lives while you sit at home alone posting on ATS at 4am.

Don't be so gullible, because there are people out there who love taking advantage of gullible folks, they make a damn good living off of their naive attitudes and beliefs.

To think...the entire cosmos and everything in it was created...just for us. What an incredibly arrogant and humanized idea.
If it came down to choosing the bible or life on other planets...I would definetly choose the latter. I don't trust something that's been in the possession of mankind for so long, and not to have been affected or altered in any way...hmmm

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Maybe you are yet to connect with all the critters? bit like Dr Doolittle?

All organisms communicate with each other, interspecies... so how do we know that they aren't more intelligent than us?

even micro organisms demonstrate consciousness. That is what we evolved from... a single cell omeba.

I have out of body experiences where I am holding meetings with lizards...
who is to say, it isn't posslbe?

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Then we believe its there with blind faith. That i cannot do.

The same goes for God, I would think.

I think we're just too impatient. We think we're entitled to know everything in our life time when it's only the begining of our search for other intelligent life forms out there.
Doesn't matter how much money has been spent, we've only been searching for a bit so to speak.
Considering the size of the universe, it's just a matter of when.

Maybe we don't find other life forms, maybe they find us.
Maybe they found us already. That's another scenario.

If it came down to choosing the bible or life on other planets...I would definetly choose the latter. I don't trust something that's been in the possession of mankind for so long, and not to have been affected or altered in any way...hmmm

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You see, this is what gets me everytime.

People would believe blindly in aliens on other planets, without a shred of evidence, but then in the same breath dismiss the bible, because it also has no evidence to back it up??

I am neutral in both regards, since i have my own believe system. But logically that type of logic just doesn't make sense to me.

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reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


So no logic makes the best sense to you?

Just ribbin ya TV

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


My problem with todays thinking is that we have such a primitive, defeatist attitude towards the future of knowledge.

We should be under the assumption that life outside our own earth DOES exist, we just haven't found it yet. We have every reason in the world to assume it does exist, and no reasons that it doesn't.

It's 2012, come on.

I would feel, great, inexpressible burning shame if our species was the most intelligent beings in existence, we are a mockery of our true potential.

Originally posted by litterbaux
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So no logic makes the best sense to you?

Just ribbin ya TV

Logical logic makes sense to me. Not believes in fairytales.

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'Submitted by Answers in Genesis'.... The same group of crazies who are building a replica ark 'estimated to cost around $200 million. Here is there statement of faith, (for the benefit of people unfamiliar with their particular brand of madness).

Section 1: Priorities
1.The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer, and Judge.
2.The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Section 2: Basics
1.The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
2.The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.
3.The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the earth and the universe.
4.The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since creation.
5.The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.
6.The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.
7.Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to and as a direct consequence of man’s sin.

Section 3: Theology
1.The Godhead is triune: one God, three Persons—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
2.All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice), and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.
3.Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ and His complete and bodily resurrection from the dead.
4.The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
5.The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.
6.Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual’s repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Savior, Lord, and God.
7.All things necessary for our salvation are expressly set down in Scripture.
8.Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
9.Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to heaven, and is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in person to this earth as Judge of the living and the dead.
10.Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and mankind.
11.Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.
12.The only legitimate marriage is the joining of one man and one woman. Any forms of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, incest, fornication, adultery, pornography, etc., are sinful perversions of God’s gift of sex.
13.It is the duty of Christians to attend a local Bible believing church, as portrayed in the New Testament.

Section 4: General

The following are held by members of the Board of Answers in Genesis to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture.
1.Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation, spanning approximately 4,000 years from creation to Christ.
2.The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of creation.
3.The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
4.The gap theory has no basis in Scripture.
5.The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into secular and religious, is rejected.
6.By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

It's that "maybe there's nothing/no use" attitude that gets us nowhere.

Sure, someone may say it's not worth our time and effort to look when it may not be possible in our lifetimes - but progress will always be made, even if we just get the ball rolling. Even if we contribute very little in the big scheme of things.

Pretend we just give up, and save ourselves the hassle. In 200 years time, or when man eventually wants to get off this rock, they'll be faced with the exact same problem.

Be proud that you live in a time where it's man's goal.

Look at the moon. Just think throughout every battle that man has fought, every thing that man has done. That moon has always been there.
People during the middle ages and beyond looked at that big glow in the sky with such mystery. Whether or not we've been on it is not my argument - in fact i'm trying to steer clear off fights on this thread. But with ambition, we can only make progress. We didn't come all this way just to stop.

It was man's mystery a thousand years ago what we would be doing today. Now that's history, and man in another thousand years is a mystery.

Who knows what our great grandchildren and beyond will be capable of.

Einstein said success is 1% inspiration and 99% inspiration.

LET'S KEEP MOVING

sorry, double posted by mistake and can't figure out how to delete.

#firstdayonthejob

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

If it came down to choosing the bible or life on other planets...I would definetly choose the latter. I don't trust something that's been in the possession of mankind for so long, and not to have been affected or altered in any way...hmmm

reply to post by Brad-H

 

You see, this is what gets me everytime.

People would believe blindly in aliens on other planets, without a shred of evidence, but then in the same breath dismiss the bible, because it also has no evidence to back it up??

I am neutral in both regards, since i have my own believe system. But logically that type of logic just doesn't make sense to me.

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But the difference is we already know how pervasive life is on Earth.....You can find it at nearly everywhere there is water. Considering that natural processes should be the same on other planets....We should logically expect to find life on some of these planets...especially if they are Earth-like in nature. While it may indeed take faith...it's faith that is based on logic and our understanding of the natural order of things...which is much different than blind faith, which is required to believe in God

The Bible shows us that God’s plan revolves around earth. God created the heavenly bodies for the sake of mankind

I would say that the story has a very obvious bias given the quote above , written by someone fitting the facts around their belief .
The fact is we haven't really started looking for life in our Solar System yet alone the Galaxy , saying that SETI hasn't found evidence for life therefor it doesn't exist is just silly .

NASA, for example, spends some $500 million each year on exploratory missions to Mars and other planets and moons where, among other goals, they hope to find evidence of life.

And how many of those missions are equipped with tests to find life ....... none , even NASA 's new Curiosity rover will only have tests to find conditions suitable for life , none to actually look for life .

Only the Viking Mission had a test for life and it may have found it .

Now scientists suggest that telltale signs of life could have been there all along, but Viking's testing methods were not robust enough to recognize them.

"We simulated these [tests] that Viking did 30 years ago, this time in extreme regions of our own planet," said Rafael Navarro-Gonzalez, of the National Autonomous University of Mexico in Mexico City.

"We found low levels of organic compounds in those soils, but we cannot detect them by the same technologies used by the Viking mission."
news.nationalgeographic.com...

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Believing in aliens and other planets harboring intelligent life has a ton more evidence then a book written 2000+ years ago by a bunch of men.

The simple fact that the keplar telescope has proven time and time again that other worlds very far from our own could harbor some form of life helps in this regard. The telescope has only looked at less then .00025% of our known universe, and has found many planets, while not ideal for life to exist, it gives you an idea of how vast and plentiful this universe really is.

Could you imagine if we could see just 10% of the universe? Everyones world view would change. We would find many planets like our own and we could really see how life can really find a way anywhere.

How arrogant is it to think out of everything we can see and what we can guess at we are the only forms of intelligent life out there. To think that way is almost appalling. "Yea we're the only forms of intelligent life anywhere" Get off your stool and come back to fact based reality sir.

How arrogant is it to think out of everything we can see and what we can guess at we are the only forms of intelligent life out there. To think that way is almost appalling. "Yea we're the only forms of intelligent life anywhere" Get off your stool and come back to fact based reality sir.

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Mate, no need to get cocky.

The fact is, there is no facts about intelligent life anywhere yet. I am talking about "aliens" as many believe there are, not microscopic bacteria and other organisms.

The article i linked, outlines how much money is used, on something, that is potentially useless, while the same money could have been used for feeding hungry kids, all over the world.

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post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
The article i linked, outlines how much money is used, on something, that is potentially useless, while the same money could have been used for feeding hungry kids, all over the world.

Or we could keep up space exploration and feed the hungry by collecting the tax thats avoided by massive corporations and the super rich every year , or spend a little less on finding new and quicker ways to kill each other .

My country (UK) is about to spend up to £25 Billion on a new Trident Nuclear deterrent that we will never use , I would say that is more of a waste of money than exploring our home system